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I am ignorant because I choose not to believe something without a shred of evidence for its support of existence?
lol
No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus got written well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources derive from hearsay accounts.
So lets be sensible about this, evidence is not based upon hearsay, which is the only type of evidence one can provide in terms of the existence of jesus christ.
And im still waiting for the evidence that Jesus Christ existed
And why not?Quote:
I accept that not everyone should or does believe in his divinity but they can't just out right deny his existance
Why does the Jesus on the Cross for all our sins story hold so much weight that we all MUST believe it?
IT and HIS EXISTENCE holds as much weight as the earlier comparision to the great African Tinman.
So do you believe that nobody should deny the existence of the African Tinman?
Because i dont see the difference in terms of evidence for existence between the two Myths
How dare you call somone who doesn't follow a linear faith ignorant.
lol yes i too would like to know how on earth someone who chooses not to believe in jesus christ (the existence or the divinity) is ignorant.
i'm not sure that even that is the question. even if every action attributed to jesus were proven to have been truthfully related, there are possible scientific explanations for most of it and the remainder could easily be disregarded as misinterpretation or dozens of other flaws in observation. the real problem seem to lie in the reasons for the actions, not the actions themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
miracles occur every day. most are easily explained away by the lunatic nature of reality or as out and out fraud, but some remain unexplained. those unexplained bits always seem to end up being attributed to some higher power or other and i would imagine that such was the case two thousand years ago as well. once the idea of god is taken out of the equation it all becomes nothing more than tales of interesting goings on in the middle of the desert.
so, there we are again. back to mankind's need for scapegoats and saviors.:beatdeadhorse:
In the end what's important is what's learnt from teachings and stories. Everyone knows about the kid who cried wolf, and lots of children learn a valuble lesson from it, but nobody I'm aware of debates the historical accuracy of the story, because we accept that its truth is irrelvant, and we get the point. We learn the lesson, or atleast understand what it's communicating.
While I am happy to let Christian people follow their own faith and find their own path to spiritual peace, it seems that most christians will not extend me the same cursoty. Perhaps it's due to weak faith in need of reassurance. Perhaps they genuninly want to "Save me", or heck, maybe they want to get into one of the few remaining spots left in "heaven".
Who knows, but like I said, please try and take the message from these teachings, instead of taknig them all literally leading you to violently disagree with people on a level associated with your ego.
-thanks.
I dont know about heaven lol
I mean..
Can you imagine spending 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years in heaven?
im sure if you times that by 50 trillion you havent even entered the mathematical realm of "eternity" yet.
Just a thought.
as philosophy it is a gem, but the creation of religion brings with it a huge amount on unwieldy baggage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iambreathingin
many years ago i inadvertently insulted an electrician i was working with by praising the ideals in the bible as a great philosophy. what followed was a frightening diatribe, vehemently demanding that i realize that the bible was not some mere philosophical text but the true and only word of god. this seems to be the eventual outcome of spiritualizing morality. it creates an us against them mentality that glorifies one set of ideas at the expense of all others.
TO this
and thisQuote:
Why does the Jesus on the Cross for all our sins story hold so much weight that we all MUST believe it?
IT and HIS EXISTENCE holds as much weight as the earlier comparision to the great African Tinman.
So do you believe that nobody should deny the existence of the African Tinman?
Because i dont see the difference in terms of evidence for existence between the two Myths
This would be the reason you are ignorant. one to the first quote a re read thisQuote:
How dare you call somone who doesn't follow a linear faith ignorant.
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Speaking to the historical fact that there was a man named Jesus who is the same Jesus in the bible, not ignorant that you do not believe in "my" "liniear faith" you can choose to or not to believe in the religon or divinity but to use history as you defense and then deny history is true is pretty much the definition of ignorance and then to further compund this and give us the full definition of ignorance you can't understand simple english in which no one if ever called or reffered to as being ignorant for not believe at least we did find someone more ignorant that fallen who actualy wrote this after read the original writing and then again reading a quoted text and still not being able to comprhend what is being said maybe this is a little over your head so to slow things down for you I will quote what was said again, that twice here and 4 times total it has been used can you understand it yet iambreathinginQuote:
I accept that not everyone should or does believe in his divinity but they can't just out right deny his existance
and considering that it is said that Jesus used to use cannabis in is healings and other religous acts performed I am shocked that so many atheiests are on hear but i think it has a lot to do with the other fact of the high depression suicide and confrontational acts of athiestsQuote:
I accept that not everyone should or does believe in his divinity
I DO NOT judge anyone for not believing and have said that multiple times I do not push my religon on anyone but I do defend my beliefs to the death as I would expect you to and respect you all for your strong beliefs in non believing, the only ignorant thing is deny the historical facts you so greatly claim to desire. It just makes you seem just like the frieken radical christians out there who do force religion and ridiculous claims on people and claim that they will be eternally damned. I have no problem with athiest until they begin to atack me and my faith with ignorance.
I am sorry to last 2 I did sult I was very testy bc my power had been out for last 2 hours i am sorry.
and i do agree that christians should not try to force there faith on anyone and especially not talk about how they will be damned to hell bc there is nothing more idiotic then to tell someone they are going to your hell when they dont believe in your God then your hell in turn does not exist and is therefor a mute point.
I also do agree that radical christains are among the most hypocritical people I know and even though I am a christian i do not share in there methods or all there beliefs.
sorry to triple post
cant agree with u more SB im a christian also and i see where u comin from man
Thing is, you assume we're all atheists for not agreeing with you, but I have yet to make a single assumption about anyones person. I accept that everyone must follow their own sense of truth, and even if that truth disagrees with my truth, I understand that we are both equally right to believe in what we do, because it's entierly based on perspective.
Myself I study Buddhism, and the Dhamma, teachings that literally tell me to not believe it if it doesn't seem right to me. At the same time it also talks about how desire, and how it breeds attachment to life. We must let go of our metapysical desires if we want to be free. To desire xxx years in paradise is the wrong motivation to be a moral person. This is my belief, atleast, and like I keep saying I appreciate that it is mine and mine alone. Others may have similar understandings, and others might disagree totally, but everyone has the right to their own freedom of thought. To deny people this by aggressive preaching is to deny them a chunk of their freedom as humans, EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU'RE SAVING THEIR SOULS.
Once a monk pestered Buddha about philosophy of cretion and existance. Buddha tol that monk that he was as a wounded man who would not recive medical tretment until he learned the name and location of man who harmedd him. Those who refused to live by peace beacause of differnces over why we are here and what put us here would die on the hospital bed beforethey got this useless information. What differnce does it make how we got here, greif suffering and pain would still exist.
That god will threaten to make this suffering eternal should I chose to base my life on the reduction of suffering seems abusurd to me. But hey, tommorw will bring a new perspective. I reserve my judgment of others, eternally. I make my opinions, but my no means give them the basis of absoloute truth.
-Cock :D
Atheists are as bad as Christians in the sense that they believe that God either exists or doesn't without substantial proof. Agnostics, like myself, admit that we're only human and can't possibly know if something as powerful as a God could exist. It's possible, but I'm not yet sure.
Today's bible is largely based on the translations of the Church of England in the 1600's where King James ordered it translated. That's a problem because at the time, the church and the King wanted control of their people and were given the ability to pick and choose what went into the translation and what they wanted in it. How can one believe in a bible that was translated to fit the rule of a King, whose ultimate goal was to keep his people in check and fearful of him? I'm not sure I can believe in that too much. Give me an ancient historical form of it, and we'll talk when it's put together by an objective body of workers.
But don't get me wrong, I'm a believer of a higher power of some sort, call it God, Zuess or Allah, I don't care what, it's their somewhere. And that's based on the scientific process that says everything must have a beginning...well, if the world is just here based on the big bang or whatever, how did it start? How did it happen to be here, but of course that would go into a continuous loop, because how did the higher power get there?
I say let the world become tolerant, that's all I want, tolerance, but of course I'll be long dead before that happens.
I completely agree I want the same and as a christian I believe that God would want the same as well, but I also thing that I will be long gone before we see that.Quote:
I say let the world become tolerant, that's all I want, tolerance, but of course I'll be long dead before that happens.
Can you prove this? Can you prove that the man you even know to have died upon the cross for our sins was named Jesus?Quote:
Speaking to the historical fact that there was a man named Jesus who is the same Jesus in the bible,
I doubt Christians are even sure about this, dont some people believe his name was Isa or Yeshua lol - wasnt Jesus a Greek King?
Note that Joshua = Yoshua or Yahushua because there is no "J" sound in Hebrew. The letter "J" is only about 500 years old and isn't even found in the original 1611 King James version
The answer lies in the Greek/Latin corruption of the Messiah's original Hebrew name. Originally, the name of the Messiah was pronounced Yahushua. This is the Messiah's original name. When the Gentiles tried to transliterate His name into Greek, they came up with ihsoun or "Iesous". But originally, this word was from #3091 in the Hebrew which is . When Iesous was transliterated into Latin, it became "Iesus", which was then carried over into English it became our modern day "Jesus" when the letter "J" developed.
So even the name of Jesus is a muddled mystery most historians cant get their heads around.
And you want me to believe he even existed?
Not true.Quote:
you can choose to or not to believe in the religon or divinity but to use history as you defense and then deny history is true is pretty much the definition of ignorance
History is not a faith which must be either entirely accepted or entirely dismissed, as i have stated before, there are a number of historical events which have a profound deal of evidence which i support, i do not however support the mythological aspects to certain civilisations which cannot no matter how hard you believe be proven to have ever had existed (by the way im still waiting for your evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ).
Can you prove that Jesus used cannabis?Quote:
and considering that it is said that Jesus used to use cannabis in is healings and other religous acts performed I am shocked that so many atheiests are on hear
(And dont pull a subjective verse from the Bible because thats not evidence, its as good as me asking for proof of jack falling down his beanstalk - and you pulling out a kids fantasy nursery book as evidence)
If jesus had mystical powers from God then why on earth did he need to use EARTHLY medicine to aid in his healing processes?
I really dont get you.
You think because APPARENTLY jesus used cannabis that users of cannabis should not come on internet forums and talk about it - that to use cannabis you must firstly accept jesus as your personal saviour.
SD651552 or whatever... you talk utter nonsense
And why dont we compare the figure to the millions upon millons of children, men & women killed in the name of God through the hundreds upon thousends of religious wars throughout the entire history of religion...Quote:
the high depression suicide and confrontational acts of athiests
Im sure we've lost count now.
I mean if i stood in the middle of a gathering of atheists or in a village of atheists and shouted God exists and lives etc etc - what kind of reaction do you believe i will recieve?
Yet what if i stood in front of a mosque in the middle of a highly muslim populated area and shouted Allah is dead!
In which scenario do you think I would face execution?
I think you know the answer.
And then after saying that he says....
Oh i better get out of your way before you chop my head off aswel lol.Quote:
I do defend my beliefs to the death
I DO NOT DENY HISTORICAL FACT YET THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS IS NOT HISTORICAL FACTQuote:
the only ignorant thing is deny the historical facts
I am asking you to provide evidence for the existence of Jesus, how on earth is this ignorant?Quote:
I have no problem with athiest until they begin to atack me and my faith with ignorance.
I agree with this aswel, SD61515 you only assume I am an atheist is that not real ignorance?Quote:
Thing is, you assume we're all atheists for not agreeing with you, but I have yet to make a single assumption about anyones person.
Grief pain and suffering will always be here yes, but when a race of indoctrinated people roam the earth killing anything that doesnt submit to them in the name of God with little or any proof that what they speak of is correct, something has to be done about it, these doctrines have to be contained and controlled and proven that the contents is clearly misunderstood if anything completley wrong!Quote:
Once a monk pestered Buddha about philosophy of cretion and existance. Buddha tol that monk that he was as a wounded man who would not recive medical tretment until he learned the name and location of man who harmedd him. Those who refused to live by peace beacause of differnces over why we are here and what put us here would die on the hospital bed beforethey got this useless information. What differnce does it make how we got here, greif suffering and pain would still exist.
Afterall, we dont want primitive minds pushing 21st century red buttons now do we?
I agree entirely yet the ability to question the beliefs which are shown to you is a concept of the human brain which should never be taken for granted, id ask people to question everything.Quote:
Atheists are as bad as Christians in the sense that they believe that God either exists or doesn't without substantial proof. Agnostics, like myself
But its a question of odds, what makes more sense to you?
And sd6515 im stil waiting for the evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ.
Im guessing it took you around 15 minutes to enter the site, look around for a bit and type that message, I hope you know that in that time the universe expanded an extra 162 million miles.Quote:
if the world is just here based on the big bang or whatever, how did it start? How did it happen to be here, but of course that would go into a continuous loop, because how did the higher power get there?
If you think that our planet and solar system are amazing and unique then, although we cant show you life on other plants we can show you millions upon millions upon millions of stars, and remember almost every star you see when you look outside is within our galaxy.
The nearest star from us is something like 4 light years away, thats 4 x 6 trillion miles away.
Our tiny galaxy alone is around 100,000 x 6 TRILLION miles accross
You would have to travel at around 186,000 MILES PER SECOND for 100,000 years to get from one end of our galaxy to the other.
The galaxy next door to ours is 2 Million light years away, thats 2 million x 6 trillion miles away.
Yes you would have to travel at a rate of around 186,000 miles per second for 2 MILLION YEARS to reach the Galaxy NEXT DOOR to ours.
And I would say at an underestimate there are around 800 BILLION galaxies in this universe.
The numbers are beyond anyones comprehension.
And remember what ive talked of is nothing, times it by a billion and your not even close when you begin to think about what this space is expanding into - and how far the 4th universe is from this pale blue dot you call earth, Gods earth.
Yet do you really think that God would have created all of this over that vast amount of space and time...
So that Jesus and Muhammed could mess about in the Dessert?
Do you really think I am going to waste any more of my time talking to you you are a sad sad little man who is commiting the very same acts he claims to hate and just as a side note you can read were you missed the fact were you mentioned you were an athiest I did not assume anything,and for some reason you seem to have a problem with religion and christanity when ive said over and over that i do not force my religion on others and hate that people do and you still seem to not be able to grasp that I dont care what you believe i dont care what you say and I certainly dont care to converse with you being that you even quote me and others the way you try to support you other claims out of context. and as to this:I already said 3 times now I have absolutely no reason to converse with you and the evidence is there and if you really cared you could find it and then discredit it yourself because regardless of what is brought to you your ignorant a*s will deny it and just so this doesnt happen again your ignorance has NOTHING to do with your belief or nonbelief in God or Jesus. Why should i waste my time sighting my sources for you to reject them before you even read them. now go F**k the horse you rode in on. The last thing I need is to continue to converse with someone so full of hate.Quote:
And sd6515 im stil waiting for the evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ.
Sorry to all for my launguage and tone in that last post but this has just gotten a little to ridiculous for me so it will be my last in here, I can not stand this one ignorant person and by the way yes I as well as most christian do know that his name was yeshua, Jesus Christ, where "Christ" is a title derived from the Greek christós, meaning the "Anointed One," which corresponds to the Hebrew-derived "Messiah". The name "Jesus" is an Anglicization of the Greek Ίησους (Iēsous), itself a Hellenization of the Hebrew יהושע (Yehoshua) or Hebrew-Aramaic ישוע (Yeshua), meaning "YHWH is salvation".
and here is a link for a ton of websites for you to discredit fallen.
read my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen_Icarus
That doesnt mean I cant question your faith with the most simple methods of questioning (which you yourself cannot seem to answer).Quote:
I did not assume anything,and for some reason you seem to have a problem with religion and christanity when ive said over and over that i do not force my religion on others
And i didnt seek you out of a crowd, you came to me and defended your faith, and you said you would do this "until death" yet you cant even provide me with one piece of evidence that Jesus existed - i know, its always been an easier option for religiously minded people to pick up the sword and be violent clearly that makes me feel you have doubts about your belief.
If not then i suggest you turn around and walk back accross the dessert into the barren isolated village of people who wish also not to question their faith, who wish also not to look at the facts and what 'simply makes more sense'.
I think I am the one who deserves a direct apology, I dont respect people who swear, shout and call names, its in simple terms an idiotic moronic act.Quote:
Sorry to all for my launguage
Look back over my posts, what do you find so ridiculous about asking questions about your faith? Is there some sort of law which forbids it?Quote:
a little to ridiculous for me
Thanks for repeating what I said in a previous post, oh and did you know that the Greek etymology of the term christ is 'oil'.Quote:
yeshua, Jesus Christ, where "Christ" is a title derived from the Greek christós, meaning the "Anointed One," which corresponds to the Hebrew-derived "Messiah". The name "Jesus" is an Anglicization of the Greek Ίησους (Iēsous), itself a Hellenization of the Hebrew יהושע (Yehoshua) or Hebrew-Aramaic ישוע (Yeshua), meaning "YHWH is salvation".
The link you provided, the google search (lol), I ask you for evidence and you give me a Google search, well i looked around in that search (an act which clearly I have done before many a time).Quote:
historical proof jesus and crucifiction - Google Search
And again found nothing, but despondent attempts by biasd journailsts and archeologists approaching the society of the science class with vague, fallacious attempts to prove the existence of the 'son of god'.
Do you think, you could head to the world of science with a google link and tell them "Now do you believe me?"
It is laughable and anyone reading this with any sense would agree.
Come on SD, is this the best you can do? I give you an infinite speed of space and time unimaginable and unthinkable to the human brain, areas in space which could erase the logicality of the thought process of our minds, I give you the closest major entity of our universe to us being over 2 MILLION X 6 TRILLION MILES AWAY - SOMETHING WHICH IS POSSIBLY 500,000 LIGHT YEARS ACROSS MEANING YOU WOULD HAVE TO CREATE SEVERAL CIVILISATIONS TO REACH IT AT THE TOP SPEEDS WE CAN TRAVEL AT TODAY!!
....and you give me a google link?
Ask yourself why scripture spoke so beautifully of this earth in such great description, but yet hardly uttered a word about 'what's out there', because in comparison (the earth and the universe alone) the earth is left as an image of a single grain of sand compared to the beauty and the amazing, never ending depths of our universe.
Because you have none thats why.Quote:
Why should i waste my time sighting my sources
Why wouldnt you, i mean lets think about this, im challenging your faith, clearly you would score points if you could prove me wrong, so why wouldnt you?
You know deep down you would do it if the evidence existed, but it just doesnt, im sorry to say.
So just admit it, all you have are vague google links, that are simply not facts - just assumptions and biasd opinions.
if it can be proven to you without a any doubt, that christianty is true, would you fall to your knees and give your life to christ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen_Icarus
I seem to have jumped the gun in agreeing with SD, here.
Upon further research, I have come to the conclusion that Fallens questioning of the actual existence of Jesus is not ignorant in the least. It is an uncommon view, even amongst scholars, however there are reasonable reasons as to why some believe he was nothing more than a mythical creation.
Here is one interesting fact I found.
Only one out about forty Roman Historians in the 1st and 2nd century CE mentioned Jesus.
With this and other information I have found, there is reasonable cause to question the existence of Jesus.
Fallen, I apologize.
SD I feel you need to retract your comment regarding Fallen being ignorant.
This isn't directed at me, but I would like to answer it anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
1. There is no plausible way to prove Christianity is true.2. Even if some of Christianity were proven no one should be required to obey. Personally, even if I one day discover with 100% certainty, there is a god. I will bow down to no one. I life of servitude is not a life I would like to live.
- There are far to many dissenting views as to what Christianity actually is.
- At the same time, everything Christians believe in would have to be proven.
- Jesus Christ being the Messiah
- Mary being a Virgin
- The Resurrection
- Heaven and Hell
- Original Sin
- Etc
We should live our lives for ourselves and the benefit of our fellow man, not a mythical being, such as god.
The first page in this search is from a personal geocities page, hardly a bastion of proof.. The second and third are sceptic sites that claim that jesus doesn't exist. Great job with your link. Get an actual source instead of hoping that your vague search terms work in your favour.Quote:
Originally Posted by sd6515
I agree, the google search link was laughable. I seem to be having the same problem though, I'm looking for documents attesting to the Historical existence of Jesus, and all that shows up are Christian, Catholic, and other religiously biased sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
It was meant as a joke not as serious in anyway but it is funny you went there
you did not answer the qustion. It is a yes are no answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaggedEdge
well at second thought I guess you did answer the qustion. so I guess you would live your life a lie then, sence you said it was proven to you 100%. Well it is your right to live aganst
the truth.
If you must have a yes "are" no answer... than the answer is a LOUD RESOUNDING NO.
Edit: You corrected that.
Your question asked if we will "hand our lives over to god." No I will not.
to this I must request you look at all post by fallen and you will soon see he just likes to play devils advocate and insult for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaggedEdge
I know that all/most events in the Bible can not be proven and that is why religon calls upon faith which is every persons right to except or reject.
religion is everyones right to have or reject and defend in that manner but this will always cause a heated debate and one should know this before they begin as for retracting calling fallen ignorant I do not retract that because even though he did have some valid points most of his points about 90% were taken out of there original context to support his beliefs. but to each there own and to john kerry i mean jaggededge just because you found a source that makes you change your mind instantaniously and do not stand behind your convictions does not mean I am the same way.
What does that even mean? What truth? It was a hypothetical question.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
You can't exactly prove anything with a hypothetical question. The bottom line is this, Christianity will never be proven to be 100% correct.
The Bible says to believe with faith so that even if you were able to prove it which I can admit is impossible it would not be believing, although from the otherside of this I can see how this would be such a easy thing for everyone to use against Christians so I'll save you the trouble I know this helps build your case that religion is made up and equivalant to the tinman myth(lol, you love that one) but I do have my faith and that is my right.
Hmmm... I will have fun with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by sd6515
This is the huge problem with believers, most of them don't do independent research and look at other possible explanations because they "want to stand behind their convictions." Honestly, when most believers actually start thinking for themselves and doing a little research, they tend to cross over to the dark side. Thats what happened to me. I grew up Catholic, started questioning my faith, researched the subject in great detail, and came to the conclusions I have. Perhaps, you should look at other ideas and open your mind to new possibilities rather than simply being firm in your "convictions."Quote:
because you found a source that makes you change your mind instantaniously and do not stand behind your convictions does not mean I am the same way.
Secondly, all I did was do a little research on the subject and concluded that Fallen is not ignorant for questioning whether Jesus actually existed. I never once said I agreed with him, I simply conceded it was a reasonable question.
Unlike you, I'm keep my mind open to new ideas and different ways of thinking. It doesn't make me wishy washy, it simply makes me open minded.
Also, why are you so reluctant to show Fallen the sources he has been asking for?
Finally, you have a serious problem with name calling. Calling me John Kerry... you are the one showing ignorance here, not Fallen. For future reference, if that was meant as a joke, use a smiley.
not even then would i praise that cruel master, it would just give me a reason to rail against the universe. to find that there was indeed a god who could have revealed itself and ended so much suffering would only prove to me that this reality is ruled by a being of such callousness that it does not deserve my loyalty nor my adoration. i would gladly join the ranks of the damned and our watchwords would be "better an eternity of torment than service to a tyrant". such a revelation would finally allow me the ultimate act of defiance, i would revel in the bloodshed and destruction it would free me to bring down upon the lambs of that pernicious deity.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
Very well said, I to would join the ranks of the damned.Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
I originally had writing in reply to the above: If god revealed himself to me in person, I would likely tell him to f*ck off. I deleted it though out of tact.
Do I have your permission to put that on a bumper sticker?:thumbsup:
one of the benefits of being considered completely off my rocker is that i'm free to be as honest as i damn well please.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaggedEdge
the worst part of religious hypocrisy is that they are willing to overlook their lords part in our daily atrocities. they blame it on the devil or mankind's perversity or they cloak it with phrases like "mysterious are the ways of the lord". they may even claim that these are tests of some kind, designed to weed out the undeserving. what undeserving; if we are created by this magic man, then it would be his failures we are paying for. the simple truth would seem to be that any caring, omnipotent god would cherish its creations and treat them as its beloved children, not heap abuse and injustice upon them.
thankfully i'm not an overly spiritual sort of guy. if i were i would spend my days bemoaning our apathetic treatment at the hands of this supposedly loving creator.
the bumper sticker should read:
[align=center]better an eternity of torment than one moment's service to a tyrant[/align]
God bless:)Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
I honestly can't blame people for not liking the God in the Bible. If I found out that He were real, before submitting my will to Him, I'd have to ask a few hundred questions on His rationalities and logic, as they completely differ from mine. I'm sure He'd make me understand, being all powerful and stuff. If I disagreed on a few minor things, I'd let it slide, but I doubt there'd only be a few minor things.