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Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by OZO
I'm not saying it is actually increasing the THC, but one is believing that it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by OZO
That's a different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coelho
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Originally Posted by blunt smoker
I tried putting my bud in the OVEN, with a totally open mind. I didn't hope and want it to work so badly the high I had after smoking was a "placebo", thats bollocks. If it didn't work, I wouldn't have cared either way, I just wanted to try it.
Besides the fact it has scientific stuff backing it up, like the conversion of THCA (a non psychoactive substance) to THC (a psychoactive substance)... clear as day to me that this does actually work.
So wheres all of the "science" coming from? credible links please. I want to read through every equation , all the theory, every page, from an author who actually knows what they are doing.
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Originally Posted by CheeseOnToast
Exactly! Thats the way I feel about it. There is absolutely no scientific evidence to prove any of this, and the fact that people all over these topics are just spouting "conversion of THCA" to "THC" is, to use an English term, complete BOLLOCKS! (...did I spell that right??)
I dont have the science behind it, but I do have personal experience and the fact that everyone I have introduced to this has started smoking their bud that way all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gothen
Have you tried it yet? Just a bowl of some mids that you normally smoke, microwaved? If not, how do you know it doesnt work?
Like I said, I cant provide you with scientific evidence, others might... but how about the "One Bowl Challenge"? Try a bowl microwaved for 25 seconds, and smoke it, and see if you notice anything.
Considering that you are a neighsayer, the placebo effect shouldnt really be a problem, and in the end, whats the worst that happens? You wasted all of 25 seconds to microwave a bowl's worth of weed, and you get to come back here and say that everyone was wrong.... you cant really lose on that challenge.
haha, yes, thats how you spell bollocks :P
Someone probably wondered if he could get people to nuke their bud by telling them it increases potency. Then one person has believed it worked because they wanted to believe it, and confirmed it. And now we have a chain of people saying it works.
Anyone can throw a fancy scientific term into a sentence and say it works. So far there hasn't been a link to anywhere that explains this "transformation", and a vague summary at best.
Once someone gives me a paper on the process from a credible author ill consider believing it, maybe even trying it.
While that seems a bit silly to refuse to try something so simple and harmless, thats your choice, and more power to you man.Quote:
Originally Posted by CheeseOnToast
Ill light up a nuked bowl tonight in your place, because in the end, it doesnt matter how you do it, as long as you have fun while you are doing it. :thumbsup:
btw is that a baby-burger in your avatar?
Its a baby sub-sandwich.
Two week old baby too, some of the most tender baby money can buy!
Thinking about it, any changes would be much more noticeable if done with hash. As hash contains more THC, it also contains more THC-A. This would mean that the jump in THC content would be much greater.
Someone should put some hash in the oven 122F for 8 minutes or 200F for 5 minutes , and then compare it with the un-"activated" hash.
This would produce a more definitive result, for those who are looking for one.
You've got more chance of just vaping it away. Personally i'd NEVER try with hash. EVER.Quote:
Originally Posted by CheeseOnToast
not at 122F, thats nowhere near vaping point.Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
My bad. I thought i saw C.Quote:
Originally Posted by CheeseOnToast
I still wouldnt try it with hash though.
And when i tried it with bud it did nothing in the slightest - because it was cured. But people shouldnt be buying fresh bud in the first place - unless they want to be ripped off.
There is a difference between cured, and properly cured.Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
Most mids arent taken care of near as nice as high quality bud, so its not cured to its full potential.
It's a shame it's on the market. Thats supple and demand for you though. No, actually, it's JUST prohibition. If it wasnt illegal people wouldnt be able to make a quick buck from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by imitator
I had some asshole that I shared this with start selling his stuff he got as higher quality then it was, because he microwaved it.
I promptly told every one of his customers what he was doing, and how to do it, and solved that problem right there.
It takes all kinds, and I can honestly see people not properly curing the bud if they are mass producing medium quality things, and trying to get it out on the market quickly.
Well... i think it may not work. If you mean hash oil, which is made extracting the resin from the weed with some suitable solvent (butane, ether, acetone, alcohol, etc), it wont work because the THCa (which is transformed in THC by decarboxilation) is NOT soluble in that solvents. So, when you extract the resin, the THCa remain in the plant material.Quote:
Originally Posted by CheeseOnToast
(from Robert A. Nelson: Hemp Husbandry ~ Cannabinoid Chemistry ~ Extraction (Ch 6))
Thats why the weed is decarboxilated before extracting the THC , as you can read in the Green Dragon recipe, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by the link above
Anyway, i myself use a similar process in my hash oil. I put it into a very small glass with boiling water, and heat it for 2-3 hours, adding water to keeping the level the same, when the water evaporates.
The reaction which occurs in this case is not decarboxilation, but isomerization. The CBD (which produces the indica stone) is isomerized to THC (which produces sativa high). As this reaction is harder to happen, it needs more time to be complete.
And, for everybody who asked for some "scientifical evidence"... there is the link from where i learned this processes:
Robert A. Nelson: Hemp Husbandry ~ Cannabinoid Chemistry ~ Isomerization (Ch 6)
Enjoy, and happy activating! :thumbsup::rastasmoke::stoned:
BUMP for this thread! Always there is new members, and they should know this wonderful technique... :stoned:
bro what are u talking about man herb is already activated. im not sure what ur talking about. ive hit the vap a few times.
bummer deal on 'activating' or lacing bud. :( if youre smoking dank u shouldnt have to put stuff in ur nugs, keep it kind
DONNY:stoned:
I think you didnt take the time to really read this thread trainwreck.
The "activation" process is really not much more then properly curing the bud you are smoking. Its part of the reason why high quality bud doesnt get near as much effect from the process as mids and lows do.
The process's that are happening in the microwave/oven are the same things that happen over a longer period of time while curing your bud. People dont take the time to properly cure mids and low's, therefore, you can increase their potency by this method.
You arent putting anything into the weed. You are initiating a chemical reaction, which results in THCa being coverted into THC.
I would recommend to you that which I have said to everyone else... give it a try. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. Right now you are disregarding it without any proof that it wont work. So give it a try, and if it doesnt work, then you have the proof you need, if it does work, then you just found an incredible technique for use on mids and lows.
no it does something to the weed. the heat probably changes the structure of the thc chemically, giving a different high. a more 'stony' high maybe.
Heeyyy, I had to vote again; I tried it again, and with completely different results.
See, the cannabis I was using before was some high mids, so the effects weren't much different.
However, tonight I tried it with much different weed; it was complete shit weed, almost brown reggs that didn't even get me high. I was bored and decided to just throw it in the oven because I didn't really think anything was going to get me high until Tuesday when I get paid and can buy some more middies. However...I'm high now. Real high, off of two hits of that regg weed that I was smoking BOWLS of before to get a buzz.
I think it does work now, even though I don't want to believe it does, I have to admit I'm actually HIGH now.
ive activated my weed, sort of as a trial around a month back. just to see. i used some mids, i had an ounce total, but put 2grams in to use for a blunt. i used the microwave. in order to do the experiment well, i microwaved 2 grams and rolled a blunt. the day before, with the same ounce, i just rolled a blunt, didnt "activate it at all". my smoke buddys did not know about activation, or that i had done anything to the second blunt. the non activated blunt, after bieng smoked, all three of us were high, but just a normal mids high, nothing special. when i brought out the next blunt, of the activated mids the next day, and smoked it, all three of us were blasted off of our asses, and we smoke a 40 bag of mids (7.1grams) in a day easy. easily smoke over an ounce of mids a week. well, i figured i might have a placebo effect because i knew what i had done to the weed, but my two friends, said they were 1'st time high again. i truely believe it works, and works well. try it, even if its just a bowls worth, to see for yourself!
I did this twice since reading this thread. The first time I sat there in the dark chewing gum for 2 hours. Second I dont even remember. Definitely made these middies better.
ok im a little confused. heat deteriorates THC. so how does this work? you said something about curing.
im glad to see you guys arent lacing your shit :thumbsup: haahaha!!
this interests me. sure, i smoke really KIND bud. but i also buy 'outdoor' midgrade. its cheaper. dont get me wrong its stony, just not killer. so id like 2 learn more. peace
DONNY:stoned:
Depends of the amount of heat, and the time you heat it. Heating it for much time (several hours), or too much (more than 200C or 392F), will indeed destroy some thc.
But, heating it for small periods of time, of at "low" (<350F) temperatures wont do any harm to it.
And, about the curing: the process of curing allows the THCA to be transformed in THC naturally. But it takes a long time, so we make it faster heating the weed.
Note that high-grade weed, or well-cured weed will not have its potency much increased by this process, as its already cured. But, with mids, or homegrown, this process works wonders!
Try it, and im sure you will enjoy it. And good luck! :thumbsup:
All decarboxylation means is drying and curing. That's why it is most noticeable with fresh/wet weed. Decarboxylation occurs naturally as you dry your weed. You can heat it up if you want to decarboxylate faster.
This quote is from Ed Rosenthal and can be found here:
Decarboxylation
Here's some more:Quote:
Marijuana produces THCA, an acid with the carboxylic group (COOH) attached. In its acid form, THC is not very active. It is only when the carboxyl group is removed that THC becomes psychoactive. When marijuana is smoked, the THC behind the hot spot is vaporized as the hot air from the burn is drawn through the joint or pipe bowl to the unburned material. The liquid THC and other cannabinoids have a boiling point of between 180-200° C (355-392° F). Before they turn gaseous, at around 106° C (220° F), the carboxyl group is released from the molecule as carbon dioxide and water vapor.
You will be extracting the THC using low heat in the commercially made Coldfinger Extractor. (They have a very interesting online catalog at *edited out commercial site*). The THC will not reach a temperature in which decarboxylation takes place. However, if you plan to vaporize or smoke the extract decarboxylation will take place as the oil is used.
However, it is easy to make sure all the THC is decarboxylated and is at full strength before it is extracted. Although decarboxylation takes place rapidly at 106° C, it proceeds at a more gradual pace by placing the cannabis in a room with low relative humidity and room temperature. As the temperature rises, the rate of decarboxylation increases.
Cannabis can also be placed in a food dehydrator to remove the carboxyl group. Although the heat in the food dehydrator doesn't rise to 106° C, the temperature is warm enough to promote drying and the release of the water and CO2. When the marijuana is crispy and brittle you can be assured that the carboxyl group has been removed from the cannabinoids and they are ready for extraction or removal from the plant material.
Frequently asked questions
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# Franjo Grotenhermen
In the plant the cannabinoids exist mainly in their carboxylic forms as cannabinoid acids. However, the phenolic form of THC is responsible for the psychotropic and the most medicinal effects. Decarboxylation (separation of CO2) to the phenolic form occurs readily over time, upon heating or under alkaline conditions.
The ratio of THC acids (THCA) to phenolic THC has been reported to range between 2:1 (Africa) and >20:1 (Switzerland) in leaves and flowers of Cannabis sativa. In plants grown in Middle Europe (United Kingdom) from Moroccan, Sri Lankan and Zambian seed stocks the THCA/THC ratio was 17:1 compared with 2:1 in the plants from the original areas (Africa, Asia). In hashish (cannabis resin) the THCA/THC ratio was reported to range between 6.1:1 and 0.5:1, the latter in hashish from India. Thus, the percentage of phenolic THC of all THC in cannabis products varied between less than 5% in cannabis leaves grown in Switzerland up to 65% in hashish from India.
Cannabis products with a high content of phenolic THC (e.g. hashish) may be very potent without heating, but usually the potency of cannabis products is considerably increased with heating (smoking, cooking).
Modified according to: Grotenhermen F. Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of cannabinoids. Clinical Pharmacokinetics 2001, in press.
it definatly works. just put it in the microwave for 10 seconds then in the freezer for 15, itll come out bone dry, and you will get more high cause after it dries out it should bust up pretty fat. definatly gets more out of your weed if its damp at all
thumbs up to this thread, i don't have anything to try it with at the moment, but i plan to give it a try in the future.
I'm going to try putting some in the oven in a little bit to test it out. I few weeks ago i put some in the microwave and i think it made me higher, more of a "up" high, not so down and stoned. I'll post back soon
I've been hitting bowls all day today (woo sunday) and this time I decided what the hell, let's throw it in the microwave for 15 seconds first. If I was judging based on this test only it definitely works. Because I'm really baked, and I've been smoking this same sized bowl all day. Haven't been this high yet.
When its in the microwave does it stink it out? Thinking of trying this tomorow =D
Here's some science for u....from Cannabis Culture magazine!Quote:
Originally Posted by CheeseOnToast
Decarboxylation