iv'e noticed that they will droop a lil when u spray them or r u saying they droop on there own if so no how close is ur light?
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iv'e noticed that they will droop a lil when u spray them or r u saying they droop on there own if so no how close is ur light?
[quote=Divestoned]When compared to other inert media hydroton doesn't hold that much water.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenGoblin
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Originally Posted by Divestoned
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im using hydroton and it does'nt hold any water why would u want it to??
I water mine 6 times a day, i don't think I could get away with this if the hydroton held a significant amount of water....
do i need to completely change the reservoir if I want to increase the nute stregnth?
After a week? Two weeks?
I'm getting into the 4th week and I want to increase the ppm but my 20 gal reservoir is huge for my 5 little plants.
I suggest you make a complete rez change every 15 days max.Quote:
Originally Posted by TMusic
If it's too much water, mix less... 10 gallons?
You should start off with fresh water for your nute mixes... think about it. Your plants will be happier.
What hydro setup do you have?
"Aero/DWC"?
So, you keep the buckets' level constant with the rez?
Just wondering. :)
Best!
-turtle420 :cool:
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just saying that 20 gallons is big for 5 little plants. I like the 20 gallon tank, it holds temperature, ph, and ppm much more stable than 10 gallons.
I'm changing my water today. Is it ok if I mix it today, then make the entire somution stronger in three or four days without changing the entire 20 gallons? I know that the concentration will increase by itself over time, but that's not the idea. I'm getting into my 4th week and I'm at 360ppm. I would like to increase it.
Its a timed drip. 15 minutes every 3 hours, no watering in the dark.... and its more like a "pour" or "flow", instead of a drip... the pump is pretty strong.
i hav'nt changed my res in 4 weeks and mine are happy as pig in shit. i top off my res every 2 weeks and i do it in 5 gals at a time i'll fill the 5 gal up add the nutes stir it up and either pump it in there or pour it in as i have left a basket with just clay pellets i can pull out and pour
can you top off with a higher concentration of nutes?
I have been topping off every three or five days, with 50% of the reservoir's concentration. It takes about 1/2 to 1 gallon to bring it back to normal (10-20 ppm lower)
Also, the droopy thing. My light schedule is 18/6, dark between 12pm and 6pm. Around 10 every day the top few sets of leaves on every plant gets a little droopy, the biggest one and the smallest one get it the worst. They look like this until 4 or 5 pm, then they'll perk up really nice. They do this almost every day.
Here are some pics of The Droop... What's going on?
Here are some pics from about 10 minutes ago. The first one is the smallest plant, it gets the droopiest, the leaves are touching the hydroton. The second one is the biggest, also gets really droopy, the leaves lay down on top of each other. The other three look less affected.
They all stand up at the end of the dark cycle. I'll post some pics in 6 hours.
All the pics are different plants.
sorry.... here are the pics.
whats the temps and water temps??
light on: 71-79
Light off:63-70
Water temp is 69
is it bad if the temp goes below 70 when the lights are on?
Plants droop when they sleep....that might be what it is. If your not under/over watering I'm sure of it.
Thats not a bad temp at all.....I would take that over the 90 degrees I have to deal with right now.
Thank you.
So how do I rule out under/overwatering?
The pump lets out the water at a good flow, about 1 gallon per hour(estimate), I water every three hours for 15 minutes. Do I cut the duration OR Increase the duration OR increase the time in between(less waterings) or decrease the time in between(more waterings)?
Your plants are probably fine, try increasing the duration between watering's. Let the roots dry out some and grow in search of water....if they aren't droopy a few hours into your 18 then your water is fine.
ur not overwatering thats for sure i'd say ur bout right on that partQuote:
Originally Posted by TMusic
ok, but I just noticed something, I wrote 1 gallon per hour in that post, but it actually comes out 1 gallon per minute.
Here are some pics from the end of today's dark time. The pics are in the same order as the last post. It didn't take 2 days for them to perk up like this, they looked like this at the end of yesterday's dark cycle also, then drooped way down at about 630 this morning. Here they are 1 hour after the light came on, at around 7pm. Do they look ok?
I put 2 "daytime" cfl's in there with my 400w HPS, will these help?
I put the water on for 4 hour intervals instead of three, I'll look at them again in the morning.
Here's one more full view.
ah, i see ur problem.
you need to put drip tips on ur lines and u can run drip 24/7. I have 3 hydro systems all using Hydroton :thumbsup: My drip system I have two stones in the rez and I drip 2/4. This is on my mom widow and she is almost a year old now.
Also when they are so young, use 1/4 strength till they get about 6 inches then increase weekly to full. By that time, they will be ready to flower.
g/j
how much water do I want to come out? I have a much smaller recirculating pump in my reservoir, I'm sure I could switch them out. The one I'm using for the drip right now is 400 gph, the other one is 160 i think, and its adjustable down. I'm also using one big airstone, the 18".
Is a 24 hour drip better?
Try to slow the drip down to just a constant drip, where the drips are actually separated.
Then you can leave them 24/7. The airstone is fine. I use a dual pump for my two 12 inch stones, and one smaller pump for my drip. As the plant gets larger, you will have to increase the flow a little. You will be able to tell by then what your babies need.
g/l :)
The advantage of 24hr drip is more consistent medium wetness....now plants dont drink the same amount 24hrs a day so you will overwater a bit at night. Pumps create heat and use electricity so you will have to deal with that as well.
Its really up to you...I don't think you will see any improvement going to a 24hr drip.
ok...should I stop worrying about the droopiness?
Yes, if its only when they sleep don't worry about it. Thats normal, if its midday then look at modifying your watering schedule
Thank you.
um my plants have never drooped like yours so cyclonite might be right but i don't know as mine have never drooped like that only when spraying them down i don't think u need to spray them anymore see what happens and what duke was talking about is go to lowes or whereever and buy sum drip tips that screw into the end of the hose they come 4 to a pk or so that will slow the drip down alot ur lettin it pour out a gal a min is a hell of alot i think u should put the drip tips on them and run 24/7
I'm in the process of cutting the water by increasing the intervals between feedings. I went from every 3 hours of light to every 4 hours of light, I'm changing the water right now and it'll be 5 hours since the last one. I'll leave it at that for a cycle or two, just to see how they respond.
I tried to use the smaller pump to make a constant drip and it wouldn't come out consistently at each tip. It worked, but it just wasn't consistent enough.
I tried to use the smaller pump to make a constant drip and it wouldn't come out consistently at each tip. It worked, but it just wasn't consistent enough. "lmao the pump has nothing to do with the drip". unless ur running a ton of shit and ur not so need i say "tips" again.
what do u mean by this?? smaller pump?? the pump don't matter unless u have a real big one, and i can tell by the water flow u don't. so what im trying to tell u is u need to go to lowes/homedepot and buy tips for where the water is coming out of the hose into ur planter, ur letting to much water flow out at 1 time.
when it should be driping out and i just looked at ur pics and thats what i see toooo much water onto the plant, and also by letting it pour on top like that i see the top of ur plugs are soaked, and thats not good to do either, cause it can cause ur stem to rot. the water needs to "drip" off to the side of the plug not right on top of it, and by letting it pour out like ur doing it's getting everything wet.
i think thats ur droopy none growth problem right there. but thats just me but i will say again it's not good to have the stem soaked like ur doing it can cause stem rot.
ps i tried lmao
I'm going to the store tomorrow to get the drippers, I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about.
I changed my reservoir and increased the nute stregnth last night, just checked it about an hour ago and its cloudy and smells a little funny. Is this from the increase of nutes or do I have a problem? It wasn't like this before I changed the water. I fluched everything and cleaned everything with ro water and hydrogen peroxide. I used technaflora Boost, Grow, Thriva Alive B1Red, MagiCal and Sugar Daddy. Temp in the reservoir is 66-68. It smells sour...???
that happened to me but it went away i think it was the nutes as sometimes it will cloud up wheres ur micro?? are u not useing the 3 part nute system?? and if u just forgot to put it in there u do know it needs to go in first and let it mix into the res b4 adding the others 1 at a time don't mix all the nutes if u did'nt know that.
micro? Technaflora says to add their "Boost" first, its on every bottle of technaflora products.
I did it a little fast I guess.
I'm cleaning everything with water and h202 and changing it all again right now. It smelled REALLY BAD, almost like trash, and I can't stand it. All the way to my front door.
A few questions about the cloudy water... I tested the RO water that I used for the change yesterday and it was 120 ppm. This is the water from the water and ice store, which they claim to be close to 0. This sucks...
There was also quite a bit of sediment all over the sides and bottom of the reservoir, it wasn't slimy yet, but it was darker in 1 day, than it was over the last two weeks.
I'm using a technaflora product called Sugar Daddy. This is an organic product right? So if there was enough of it in the tank and the tank has a big light leak, it would start growing shit wouldn't it? Could this happen in 24 hours?
Reason I ask is that the last time I tried to bump the ppms up I went to 700 and the water turned cloudy overnight as well. This was the same day as the ice pop incident so I just attributed it to that. But last night I had the ppm at 650 I think, and the water turned cloudy overnight again... could it be the sugar daddy (if its organic) and the light leak?
should I get some hydroguard?
i would say u need sum cal-mag+ and silca boost and a must is hygrozime
Can you explain?
This is the best advice for you that I've read here. It's way more important than most people realize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclonite
You should experiment to find out what the optimum water/feeding schedule is for your plants. You will need to watch them carefully for a few days, so you might want to try this on the weekend or something.
Just start reducing the time between waterings. To do this right you should have a cyclestat timer so that you can have infinate control over the duration and the frequency. However if you don't want to spend the $140, Intermac (I think) has a decent digital timer ($20) that has 14 on/off events for one day. This would allow you about 51 1/2 minutes between an off and an on, if you spread it out evenly. For your setup this would probably be fine. I know it's fine for my bubble cloner. You may even be able to have an off time of several hours. The more off time the better. Once or twice each day change the schedule to reduce the on times a little. As you closely watch your plants, keep doing this until you start to see the first signs of stress on the plants or any one plant. From there increase the on time a little and that is your optimum schedule. This is more important than people realize. The more oxygen you can get to the roots the better. It's the key to big, healthy, well-adjusted sisters and mamas. It will also help reduce instances of root rot, mold, etc.
I just harvested a new strain for me and for the life of me I could not stop the leaves from drooping a little during the entire grow. Meanwhile other strains in identical conditions had no droop.
Hope that helps a little. It's just my opinion, based on experience.
PS.
As the plants grow bigger you may need to increase the on time a little.