The day I see a successful HID grow in a rubbermaid tote.... WOW. That would be pretty sweet. Good luck on that....
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The day I see a successful HID grow in a rubbermaid tote.... WOW. That would be pretty sweet. Good luck on that....
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Originally Posted by stinkyattic
no hid's way to hot for me!
tee hee... I appreciate that you saw the sarcasm in that pee "are we STILL arguing? WTF!" steve... :D
yeah that's what I'm laying down. CFL=microgrow. HID=space to do your thing.
EXACKLY
apparantly uvb ray aid in the production of more resin glands, is that not benificial?Quote:
Originally Posted by smokinbuds21
Check my log, I did the whole grow with a 250 watt HPS from seed to harvest. I hear it's not as efficient as a light with more of a blue spectrum to it but nevertheless it still works.
You can use ANYTHING for veg, but of course we all prefer metal halide. Pretty much any kind of light will make the plants grow. However for best results use both spectrums of light for both veg and bloom. Something like 80% blue and 20 red for veg, and the opposite for bloom.
However you MUST use a red spectrum during bloom or you will be very dissapointed. You can use one HPS bulb or many fluorescents. If you use fluoros, you will need the good expensive ones from the hydro shops, not the ones from a hardware store.
yes you can use the ones at the hardware store you just have to get the ones that are warm white!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
and yes i new i could youse both light's for both makes sence but now im just using fluro's for vegging and will be using hps and warm fluro's for the flowering!!!!!!!!!
orenge man where is your log theres no link would like to check it out!!!
I'm 2-3 months into my first hydro grow. I use one 400 watt HPS for veg in a 4X4X8 box and it worked fine for 4 plants. I'm 5 weeks into bloom now and the buds are puffing up nicely.
Heat is the main problem I faced. You definitely want to vent the heat through a tube light if you are going to go with higher wattage.
Once again, I will step in here and clear up a couple misconceptions.
Misconception #1 "If you use fluorescents for flower, you must use the expensive 'red' grow bulbs from the hydro store"...
Bullshit. You can grow just as well using compact fluorescent bulbs from MallWart or Home DePot.
Misconception #1-a "You must use warm white bulbs for flowering in a CFL grow".
Not necessarily. Your plant prefers a particular spectrum of light, but many combinations of colors from within that spectrum will make your plant grow. Ideally, you want as many colors as possible represented in your bulb choice. This is why so many of us use HPS, fluorescents, and MH together during flower.
So, if spectrum was the only consideration, you would want several bulbs of each color temperature (warm white, soft white, cool white, and daylight).
But spectrum isn't the only consideration. MUCH more important, is 'LUX'.
I won't bore you with math, but basically, LUX measures the intensity of lumens.
CFL's are low lux.
If you are using CFL's, you are already compromising many things. In the compromise between lux and spectrum, your plant will much prefer getting more lumens over more red in the spectrum it receives.
The CFL's that give the most LUX, are daylight bulbs.
The CFL's that give the widest spectrum, are daylight bulbs.
The CFL's that give the least LUX, are the expensive ones from the grow store.
If I was going to flower with less than 300W (actual) of CFL's, I would use daylight bulbs all the way through.
I would use as many as possible (ie. more lower wattage bulbs, vs. less higher wattage bulbs), and I would keep them as close to the plant as possible.
If I was using more than 300W, I might start thinking about adding one or two warm white bulbs.
well my friend is using a 400 watt hps for vegging 10 black dominas right now and there bushy as ive ever seen that strain so yes you can veg with hps go to hightimes they have some good answers also and all those people are pros at growing gardens indoor and outdoor that were i got my info for a small outdoor garden i did year or two ago i should mention the space he is using is 8 square feet and 6 foot tall and his plants like i said are good and growing viguoresly ill try and putt up some pics if he doesnt mind
400w is ideal for that space. And again, the plant cares more about light levels than about spectrum.
If you vent your hoods, and put your light close enough to the plants, HPS can veg just as well as MH or fluorescent.
thankyou this is why i started this thread is so i can hear everyone opinion on hps for vegging
and i guess using daylight bulbs should be better in flowering then warm bulbs i could also use both justa make sure
my box does have great airflow for its size!!! so heat will not be an issue my box dont even see past 80 degreese and at night it goes to atleast 60! its 78 in the day and 65 at night to be exact
really dosent matter what light i use now its all fucking useless
well just ran into a BIG problem where we have are grow box whitch is my friends house he cant have it there anymore hes got someone moving in has to get rid of the box should we just put these babies out side really have no choice!!! so im probley gonna just let nature take its corse!!!!!!!!! sorry and thanx for all the info i guess ill have to take up outdoor growing!!!
it kinda sucks though i think growing indoors gives better bud and safer but outdoors is fine if you know a good place!
sorry about that. you cant use your own place?
wel i have kids 2 of them and i get to paranoid to have anything here but i have good news my friend called me and told me the person isnt moving in so that GREAT life saver!!!!
i dont like growing out side i have done one plant in the last two summers and only used fert stcks aint that some shit?
anyways two guys up north havent seen you in a while what you been up to? still have any grows going on? thats funny cause were to guys up north also!
i finally started a new grow after i got attacked by hermi's! we are doing scrog 3 plants just to see how it works and hoping for god for a female!!!!
if no females and get hermi again ill probley keep going with it ill just do sog next time!!!
Not true. It's just easier to control, and get bigger buds and more resin (the good stuff). But the high will be the same on the same strain, indoors or out.Quote:
Originally Posted by smokinbuds21
OK, OK, you are technically right. When yield is concerned, you can get whatever yield you want (to the plant's capability) on whatever light you want, provided you use enough of them. You would need a shitload of the cheapo bulbs to equal the yield of a couple of the expensive bulbs. As far as total cost after considering electricity for both the bulbs and the ventilation required for each, I don't know for sure which is better, but I have to assume it would be the one with the fewer bulbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by psteve
Is watts watts? Does 400 watts of the good bulbs equal 400 watts of the cheapo ones? Not sure, but I think the good ones are geared to flowering and have more of the proper light spectrums.
Not sure, not sure. I'm an HID guy, especially for flowering.
like i said before no hids hear to hot for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes and no if it says 100 watts or 400 watts its true they cant sell false info makes sence dont it!!!!!!
and outdoor takes to long for me!
outdoor growing is not good indoor is way easier outdoor you have to worry about people ciming by and telling on you or taking you shit and then telling on you rofl and bugs or horribale outside also so just stick to indoor growing if youve got the time and money to put into it
thats how i fell!
hey smokinbuds, we arent doing to bad. i am getting myself ready for winter and fall. one mom i cut up and used for clones, ill flower whats left of her along with the other 3 clones i already have. im trying the perpetual thing and it looks like it could work. i am pretty happy, i just need to get some better supplies soon. ph tester, rooting hormone, just some of the basic things i havnt had any money for. and someplace to get some good cheap soil, the store i like only carries dirt seasonally and they are already out of my favorite. good luck with yours. good news about your friends place.
hehe, i never caught that smokinbuds. i guess you are arent you? 2 guys up north!
yea well all that sounds good! we are now trying to attempt three scrog grows right now hopefully it happens great ill keep ya posted wit pics!
my brothers sisters cousins uncles grandmas neighbour knows a guy.. that has had no problems getting 1.5- 2 lbs per 1000w hps , with plants that were veged under only hps, personally .. i know mh are better for veg.. but certainly not essential, especially for sogs that only have a short veg.
Same goes for mh for flowering .. swim has seen side by side rooms .. one room 2 k mhs .. one room hps ... same strain .. with little difference in yield.
I grow with HPS from 'cradle to grave' ... :jointsmile:
lol I know some dudes up north who would disagree with ya. They think I'm NUTS for growing inside, while year after year after year they bring down STUNNING outdoor crops with almost no losses to wildlife, thieves, or cops. But that's with about 20 years' combined experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by ismokealldaylong420
yea but then again you can grow inside during the winter and you control your own climate and or lighting/flowering cant do that outside!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::stoned::stoned::hip py::rasta::rastasmoke::pimp::jointsmile:
I'd love to grow some outside plants, see if I could get some of those 18- or 20-footers that I've seen pics of. But A) no place nearby even remotely usable; B) paranoid; and C) lazy. ;)
sorry smokinbuds for being ignorant but what is se goetaland? are you a diplomat from some far off place? lol.
nooo nooo diplomats here just love reading about everything lol
the personal prfoile wanted to no where i was from i put anything and thats what poped up
add a handfull of cfls for added blue specQuote:
Originally Posted by smokinbuds21
i have plunny cfl's and i also dont think the person that left the last reply didnt read the hole thread just the first page! lol