lmao...Quote:
Originally Posted by king of the world
Printable View
lmao...Quote:
Originally Posted by king of the world
Interesting, I shall have to check that book out. I feel it necissary to add that Baptist denominations fall under the "Protestant" sub-faction of Christianity. But only because Im the kind of ass that notices and points those things out :p Yeah I was born and raised Catholic so I am pretty well versed in their beliefs, as well as the differences between all Christian religions.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHairedSativa
I guess the biggest difference between my beliefs and Christian ideals would be my view on what "GOD" actually is. But its kind of lengthy and I dont have the time to go into that now. I actually made a topic about it.. I think its called "What is your version of the TRUTH" Many people decided to argue on what truth is, but I just wanted peoples opinions and views on how they think the universe works, its history, and what its comprised of. And, if applicable, their version of a higher power.
I just wanted to add, DarkHairedSativa, I see what you meant about insults. But that wasnt an insult, simply a fact that he himself admitted to me openly on another thread.
LoL:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by GraziLovesMary
eg -
you've given us a fine batch of stars that are many times larger than sol, but i believe we were waiting for a planet that was a million times larger. i too would love to see it.:rolleyes:
I believe Earth is the the only planet to carry Humans....and thats MHO
OK,but their are many so let me know if you want me to continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHairedSativa
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
(please say that he changed,please use that as an argument.)
Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies
Day 6: Humans
Day 7: Nothing
(their was a morning night and evening before he created the sun,um explain?)
Ps.92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."
Isa.57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."
(is it good or bad to be righteous?)
Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
(he had many last words)
if you want more just say so.:rastasmoke:
well, given the fact that Jesus was an actual person, it isnt surprising that he has been quoted as saying several things, I'm sure that the many translations switched the words up pretty good. I think most christians will agree though that jesus first said the Eli lama stuff, then commended his spirit to god, then died. Also, the vinegar the last one is refering to was (I believe) the roman guards mocking him and refusing to give him water, just vinegar.
I think that all of the jesus quotes are in fact true; he got pissed at god, asked god to take care of his spirit (was given vinegar at some point, it is hard to be sure when) then said "it is done" and died. I believe all of the above happened, and I am pretty sure that most christians accept all of the above as well (it isnt really a stretch, i mean if you wanna split hairs do it with somthing more "magical" then Jesus's last words). If you wish to debate jesus's divinity, go ahead, but it is an actual historical fact that a man named Jesus was crucified by the romans.
as for many of the contradictions, it seems God did a 180 when Jesus showed up, and christians (the real ones) generally believe the new testament version of god's will. After all, the old testament is the jewish book, christians should stick to their book and not dip into other faiths.
Now as for the whole "god made the world for us" idea, I have a slight problem with that seeing as how "Our World" is covered with 2/3 oceans, and god didnt give us gills. I think that perhaps we get a little high and mighty when it comes to us thinking we are special, and perhaps the answer is a little humility. If god only cared about us, he wouldnt have made all the other animals, so we arn't all that special.
Is it really that hard to take a moderate view of things? It seems people are all or none when it comes to religion, when perhaps the answer is a blending of faith and rationality?
sorry for the longish post, its late and I've had a bit to drink :)
spirituality forum should have 'Enter at own risk' sign....the post grimlins came last nite, i see....
HAHA well ya got me. I guess I'm gonna have to become a Creationist now... :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHairedSativa
Statistically speaking, if you find a SINGLE example of a species, the chance that it would be a deformed example is almost infinitely improbable- even MORE, considering that in the wild (whcih also relates to primitive hominids), deformed individuals rarely, if ever, survive to adulthood. And there is no way that was a neonates' skull- it's too large, in a fossil record where there is no evidence of adults of ANY of the hominids being larger than H. erectus, until modern times- your logic is TERRIBLE here.
And I'm not even going to get into the origin of water on Earth... You should revisit some basic texts on geology, climate, and plate tectonics while you're at it.
If in fact all 3 recollections are correct, all 3 people would be very bad story tellers. If 3 people recorded 3 different things happening upon Jesus' death, and the recollections are all correct, that means that each of the men failed to report on 2/3rds of the event. If this is the case, what else did they miss?Quote:
Originally Posted by LegalizeTheGreen
Personally, it's hard to believe that all three events happened, when each writer specifically states (paraphrased) "Jesus did _______ and then gave up the ghost".
It doesn't read as "Jesus did ______, and then some other stuff, but Luke and John got my back, so read about what else he said in their chapters. Then he gave up the ghost".
so you find it hard to believe 3 different people had different accounts of exactly what happened? try asking 3 different american why we are in iraq rofl.
I think discussing an idea is a little more open to interpretation than "Jesus said this". Thus, the public is speculating on ideas and reasons, not directly observable absolutes. I highly doubt that Matt, Luke and John were being fed propaganda about Jesus' death, which they were all witness to (from what i remember).Quote:
Originally Posted by LegalizeTheGreen
Also, I was saying if indeed they did have different recollections of the event, what else are they individually leaving out in their stories, purposefully or not.
Imagine if there were another story recollecting Jesus' death, we'll call it the book of Ernie. Ernie recalled Jesus' passing as such: "I'm just kidding ya'll, it was fun while it lasted" as he gave everyone *the finger*, and passed on the ghost". It doesn't directly conflict with the other stories, as that may have happened as well. How odd tho that none of the last words recalled from any of the story tellers overlap each other.
Oh I see ....ok sorry then when I can do rep for you again I will...sorry 'bout that. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GraziLovesMary
isn't it possible that they found different aspects of the same story more important, and thus decided to point out some parts (like Jesus asking god why he had forsaken him in matts case) more so then others (jesus commending his spirit). Also, Matt and Luke I believe have nearly identical accounts. Matt just wrote that jesus yelled, while luke wrote what he yelled.
You also should realize that the extremly short passage given to jesus's actual death (not even a whole page in a very long book) would not include every single detail about his death, simply the details the author found most relavent. Perhaps they simply wrote about what they found most important. It isnt like they were writing a documentary or anything, their stories were collected long after they were dead and turned into the bible, they wern't writting for the bible
Regardless, In the christian faith, it isnt so much about how he died as how he lived. I honestly could care less if he said "fuck ya'll, I'm going to live with my dad", what is important is the example he set while he was alive.
so yea, i think we hijacked this thread enough, lets get back to evolution rofl!
(btw, I am a devout supporter of evolution)
I wish this were the case, but much emphasis is placed upon the reincarnation. I think it would be far better to focus on the man as a teacher and stop worrying about which version of his death and rebirth we are going to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegalizeTheGreen
But yeah... back to evolution eh!?
yea, back to evolution! It is a hoax perpetrated by dumb liberals that planted fossils in a devious plot to overthrow the church and bring about a world of anarchy and sex with animals!
If you look close, you can see the "made in china" engraving on them! They are fake!
The world is only 6 thousand years old too!
my point exactly that is how i believe, but im a troll so...Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHairedSativa
if u asked 3 diffrent american's why we were in iraq u would get 10 diffrent answers not just 3 lolQuote:
Originally Posted by LegalizeTheGreen
Statistically speaking, if you find a SINGLE example of a species, the chance that it would be a deformed example is almost infinitely improbable- even MORE, considering that in the wild (whcih also relates to primitive hominids), deformed individuals rarely, if ever, survive to adulthood. And there is no way that was a neonates' skull- it's too large, in a fossil record where there is no evidence of adults of ANY of the hominids being larger than H. erectus, until modern times- your logic is TERRIBLE here.
And I'm not even going to get into the origin of water on Earth... You should revisit some basic texts on geology, climate, and plate tectonics while you're at it.[/
well statistically speaking, u may not have enough statistics on that. as there was alot of deformed kids/people back then, i read books and i think the history channel or one of those t.v shows had a show on tracing down where viking's trade routes were, and went to and they were traced down into asia. and all over the world and they found a main trade route in asia, and found where they had kids that were deformed and they would just leave them to die or sometimes buried them together. and also there's proof of all the plauges that would deform back then so statistically there were more defromed than there are today.
what do u mean reincarnation???Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
i think he meant resurection
hehe I was a little confused as to what he was trying to prove :pQuote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
Yes... red giants are much bigger than our sun. However, they are still stars lol
hahahahhahahaha... LMFAO youre killin me over here.. hahahhaQuote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
lmao i was gonna say, what!!Quote:
Originally Posted by LegalizeTheGreen
I feel compelled to mention that Stinkyattic is a female.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegalizeTheGreen
Well see that's the great thing about being a human being...we have free will which gives us freedom of choice.You may believe however you like as I may believe however I like....I don't call you stupid or try to make you feel stupid or insignificant for what you believe.I simply don't agree with you.I found myself starting to get irritated on this subject in here and that's not what I want.I come on here to have fun and have a little retreat from the stress that is my life...;) So,just so you know I have very much respect for your grow experience and knowledge which is why I told my b/f (marmarkus2006) to ask you questions he has on growing....I go to psteve for answers on legal matters and medical stuff and Cannabis_Campbell just cracks me up! I don't want any ill will with anyone but please don't act as if you are 100% correct and no one else could possibly be right.I'm opting outta this thread...you all have a great debate on the subject....Quote:
Originally Posted by stinkyattic
Again sorry about the misunderstanding GrazilovesMary... That book is an excerpt from a much larger book he wrote on the subject.I really hope you enjoy it and Baptist is not Protestant...;) Protestants came out of the Catholic church and the Church of England....they were protesting,hence their name.Baptist is a movement not a denomination,unless you're speaking of Southern Baptist which I am not....lol I like snakes and all but...c'mon!! :D anyhow,I'll see ya back in "women's issues"....lol:thumbsup::jointsmile:
A working understanding of hard science is important if you intend to become a serious grower.
I feel that in extreme cases, such as this, internalization of complex scientific (specifically biology, genetics, and evolution) concepts and a belief in creationism are mutually exclusive.
I leave my faith at home when I go out and be a geek.
hehe aight then.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHairedSativa