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Originally Posted by az666
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Originally Posted by az666
I'm too tired too argue this. I'm a very strict pacifist, and a Buddhist for 14 years. I don't believe that guns will EVER have a place in my home, nor do I feel the benefits will ever outweigh the consequences/risks.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawleaf
Safe gun ownership simply is not possible, but reasonably safe gun ownership may be. And if that is how you live your life, then so be it. I personally feel that a gun only adds problems to a situation, regardless of who holds it.
I guess we'll find out who's right in the next life, eh?
Howdy Mello.as.Hello,Quote:
Originally Posted by Mello.as.Hello
The first part of your response,is absolutely true for you..you have no business being around guns..and I commend you for your self-discipline. You have chosen the Soft path...and a warrior's path-is not for you.
Safe small-arms handling is possible,it simply requires a zero-error policy,a policy which warriors are familiar with..because to err..could be deadly.
As a Christian,I should be following the Soft path,but it's not within my nature..my instinct is to protect and guard..the World needs those who can walk the Soft path and hold Peace in their hearts..but they are like lambs..and need protection from the wolves.
Vaya con Dios
Have a good one...Torog :)
warrior?? Who are you fighting Torog? Who are you defending us from?
beware of evil liberals mwahahahahahahaha :rolleyes:
I think he is talking about the warrior mindset. Always ready. Nothing wrong with that. :)
It's not that you're too tired. You're just too ignorant. Disguising your opinions and beliefs as facts doesn't count as any kind of agument. Try again, Dali.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mello.as.Hello
I'll admit, I don't like guns that much either. They honestly make me nervous. However, if an intruder invaded my home with a weapon and had ill intent, no flower or form of meditation would stop him/her. Of course, you could use the whole "That's not helping the cause" argument, but I never said American citizens shouldn't have guns.
Go hang out with Richard Gere.
for all the people that don`t like guns cool, thats your choice. for the rest of us that do like guns whether its for hunting, target shooting or protection, thats our choice. leave it at that. gun haters need not call upon gun lovers for help when your in need of protection from someone raping your woman or robbing your mommy. call 911 and wait for the "cops" to arrive. peace.
Hey. I'm not to sure. I'm nor warrior, still have to grow my back bone...
But i'm thining of buying a gun, once i get paid.
Yeah belive it or not. I'm not sure why. I think it's to protect myself and the people around me if this world goes to shits. I'm not going down without a fight. Wehn i comes down to it, ro someone i care about, i will want to fight back, with all my heart.
Yes people kill people, and if it ever comes to the point where i kill someone, then it's as it is, I'm a killer then. Yep, i guess that'll make me the evil some of you dispise.
If somone is infrignign on my rights, they better watch out. They stepped across the line, not me, from then on it's game. If a corrupt police, and the blood thirsty armed forces can have the power to kill, by all means so should the individual/citazen.
I don't think killing is a positive thing, it's just a thing. I consider myself a moral person, i used to be a pacifist. But i've seen to much thats happened to me as a lamb. I want to be a warrior.... But i dont know how. My moms a lamb, and i never see my father... Any tips on being a warrior?
People only think they need a gun because theyve had this 'Kill or be killed' idea imprinted on their minds.. Frankly, if somebody is going to shoot me, and I had a gun, I still wouldnt shoot them. Simple as that. Im no important than anyone else, and nobody is more important than me.
I used to work on a gun range, and I got to love the smell of gunpowder in the morning.
You know, birdshot can only penetrate the human epidermis for approximately 95 meters on a regulation charge.
But it stings like hell up to 130, this I know.
That's always an awkward call to mother..."Hello? Yeah, some redneck shot me in the ass today. What's for dinner?"
Never a serious injury from stray shots, though a trap (target launcher) sent a buddy to the hospital.
How's that for irony?
Ghost, it isn't that I want to kill or protect myself thereof, it's that guns go boom, and also provide a better way to get rid of the old (or new) TV if there's room in the van before work.
In the end, just remember two timeless quotes:
"My name's Petey the Pistol! If you squeeze me, I make bad people go away!"
and
"Did you know Jesus and Moses used guns to conquer the Romans?"
Do you think any wife might let me name my kid Turdfurter Von Petrovich?
Perhaps. If you asked her nicely. And offered her a sandwich. Not tuna, though.
If a universal definition of love was ever determined, it would no doubt include that knowlege, and I thank you.
It was, and it did, and there's no need. :)
Have you ever realized how abstract definitions are usually best solved by having sex with it?
ghost you don`t know what i think about guns. why would you say that people only think they need a gun? i know your a smart guy but, what you said there sounds like you think that you can read minds. lol. then what you said next about not shooting someone even knowing that they were going to shoot you is just stupid or your just talking shit. if a crack head was going to shoot you while robbing you, would you let him or her do that if you had a gun to protect yourself ? if you still say that you would let them shoot you, well your just crazy or like i said before just talking shit. i think your more important than any crack head or criminal and i`ve never met you. peace to you on your crimeless island. i forgot where it was. there must not be much crime there. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
Nuclear bombs don't kill... just the people who drop them... right?
I heard,
.... that guns and weapons are good if ya got a whole lot of ignorance to defend.. the more guns and weapons you have... the more ignorant you are... simple math.. really...
Is that true?
What if someone had intended to kill you. You would negelct the justice done to yourself, you would be condoning murder anyways, by letting it happen. What if someone was going to/shot your mother? Or amputate your dog? What fi it's you you care about, are you any less for it?
No moral is stronger than the will of instenct to survive.
I own a 462-98-IC-PT22-tech91 with scopes (ten of them) as powerful as the hubble
it utilizez laser targeting and can project a light on the moon
it allows me to turn invisible, like the predator, and stalk my prey perfectly
it's bullets go 10 times the speed of light, and are powered by duel ion engines
the bullets explode into 20 different mirrors that reflect your stupidity inside of your wound after drilling through at least 1 inch of meterail
each bullet ways 1 pound and must be stored at at least 120 degrees farenhiet
there is no recoil, a silencer, and flash surpresser
it can inject meth into my finger if I have to be up all night in combat
when I got it I also bought hover boats and I can float for 19 hours
only about 9 feet off of the ground "enough to snipe over a wall"
EVERY bullet is tipped with sliverr over titanum (to kills werewolves and armored units)
if I am in close combat the upper end of it conducts about 10 million watts of electricty
I belivie it will help me through any situtation involving any type of combatants
I know what your thinking, what about ghosts and vampires?
DONT WORRY I GOT IT UNDER CONTROL
crosses are carved into the tips of everybullet
a ray, like that of the ghostbusters, thank traquilzez and fucks up ghost.
how about mother nature?
it dispatches an emergency parka at any time, and heats shit up
food? the butt of the gun administers high-tech vitamin pills with every thing that my body needs to preforme efficiently for 6 hours (it carries 39) and Vicodin (50).
Im so fUCKED uP :o :confused: :rolleyes: :)
Howdy GhostToker,Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
The obvious answer: satan and his minions..of course !
The minions are legion,and the legions are many..the Darkness grows..who among you, will stand with me-against the Darkness ?
O Lord...I beseech thee..clad me in the armor of Arch-Angel Michael..fill my hand-with the fiery Sword of thy Wrath..clad my crown with the helmet of Faith..and grant me the Shield of Righteousness...clad my feet with the war-boots that will trample the Grapes of Wrath..and lead me to victory-over thine enemies..O Lord..if it be thy Will..Amen.
Have a good one...Torog :D
FUCK MR MOORE AND HIS BOWLING FOR SHIT LIESQuote:
Originally Posted by XTC
dont you dumass pansy mofo's know if people like me didnt have a gun
the hardcore criminals would just walk in and take what they wanted?
but facing those who are armed is another story
they dont want to be shot so they prey on the ones with no protection
see in west virginia even lil ol grannies are known to pack a hogleg 357 around and nobody gonna fuck with her becuase she May have one ready to cap your punk ass ,
guns are tools its the people who are fools
gun safety is must,its a dangerous tool
but just a tool
so like i say
you get rid of every thing thats used to kill, FINE
if not shut the fuck up about me owning a gun
im 40, 5ft 9inches tall wieghht 120 lbs
half crippled and not healthy,means easy prey to a young 20 year old
meth addict,,so a gun keeps them from doing me harm and taking my life and property ,it stops them that have any sense that is,some dont care if you have a gun or not they just have a death wish anyway
i have the right to protect myself and my family and i need a gun to do it
cuase im not biuldt like hulk hogan,
nor would i want to be really
peace to those that want it
fuck the rest of ya
Howdy NWM,
Stay Safe--Stay Armed !!
On of my goals is to aquire a good pistol for concealed-carry,because I'm disabled too and I don't want to be an easy target for crack-heads and meth-heads. I'd like to see how one of these here anti-gunners,would reason with a drug addict-that's all strung out and jonesing..lol.
I refuse to be a victim !
Have a good one...Torog :D
I see what you're saying, Ghost. However, just because you don't agree with or understand something, doesn't make it wrong. Like poorman said: How can you know what people think? You can't speak for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
Sit back, relax, and light it up. Life's too short to condemn everything that's inconceivable.
What ignorance? You are showing me a lot of ignorance with your post. I enjoy shooting and hope I never have to use a firearm to defend myself, but if so, I am ready. What is wrong with that? I don't bitch at people who choose not to own firearms. Why is it that firearm owners don't hate people who choose not to own them, but people without guns seem to hate those who own them and want their firearms taken away? I am so fucking sick of people trying to stop me from owning guns. I am not a criminal or an evil person for choosing to arm myself. If you don't like guns, fine, but don't fuck with our rights or treat firearm owners like they are any less human than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garden Knowm
LOL
Good point, Cleve..Quote:
Originally Posted by clevemire
Okay, so maybe its not the guns themselves that I dislike, but the mindset of the people that carry guns.. the whole 'kill or be killed' thing.. If nobody had a gun, then nobody would need guns.. putting more guns into circulation isnt going to help..
anyway, I digress.. I guess im just going through my 'rebellious phase' that all teenagers go through.. hopefully, when i grow up, i'll start to conform like most people............................................ .......... :rolleyes:
Well,... I wouldn't call it conformity. It's not really for the sake of a unanimous opinion...Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
More like.. when you get older and more mature, you just realize that some things will never change in your lifetime. No matter what you say or do. Time is better spent focusing on things you can change and do.
In any case, no worries. :)
I read somewhere that once Abraham Lincoln was challenged to a duel, and since it was the right of the challenged party to choose the weapon, he suggested potatos.
I don't quite know how this fits the subject, but it always made me think, historically correct or not.
Firearms, roofing hammers, automobiles, tactical nuclear weapons, bare hands, and probably even potatos have been used by people to take the lives of others, and what does it all prove? That there are those in this world who would resort to the use of deadly physical force, for numerous reasons. I think it's the willingness to kill, and the reasons, that are really what should be examined.
If the right to posess a weapon of any kind were linked to an individuals level of responsibility, none of this would be much of an issue. But we've all seen individuals driving, getting high, drinking, or just expressing their opinions, without regard to the effect their actions have on others, so the gun question is just an extension of a more basic issue.
While I like to think I'm respectful of the opinions of others, I sure wouldn't want to give up my squirrel rifle just because someone else thinks it might seem politically incorrect.
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Americans are conditioned to live in a constant state of fear and paranoia. Youre fed this fear by your news media and government, which makes you feel like you're in constant danger and that everybody and anything alien to you is a threat.. No wonder you start wars all over the world, and have thousands and thousands of gun-deaths every year... if you're in fear, then you'll think you need to protect yourself, hence more guns... its sad, and im happy i dont live there
I have to agree with you, fear breeds violence, maybe second only to greed.
As I re-read my last post, I noticed that I'd missed one important point; if weapons were somehow related to responsibility, there probably wouldn't be any.
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there you go again ghostoker. you don`t know how we as americans are brought up. how our parents raised us. saying that americans are conditioned to live in a state of fear and paranoia. your not american, you said so yourself. i personaly don`t live in a state of fear or paranoia. i live in the country. there is crime in the country but not so much that i live in fear and paranoia. why do you think that you know what americans are like? do you get that from the television, radio or newspaper? do you beleive everything you hear about americans? that we are all the same, living in fear and paranoia? i`m happy you don`t live here in america also. i wished you would come and visit though. if you ever do visit america come to north carolina and see the country, outside of a big city. you may learn something. maybe you would stop thinking every american is some kind of paranoid, gun toting, dumbass that can`t think for themself. i have said before i think your a smart guy but with post like that you are about to convince me otherwise. peace man.Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
OK....apparently one thing isnt clear to all these people against gun owners. ok listen carefully damnit, then it wont have to be repeated. gun deaths are high of course, but if there were no guns, then naturally, some other category would be higher.....like maybe stabbing deaths for instance.....would that a signal that we need to outlaw knives???? FUCK NO....ok if you were going to kill someone, what would you use....guns are very efficient, that is why a lot of people kill with them, fast to the point, no clean up, and very little physical effort. that is why people kill with guns. guns dont make people want to kill.....and if there were no more guns, then a bunch of people would die another way......(and probably more painful) if you dont understand what i am saying, just ask. peace
Again, I have to agree. Where are you getting this, Ghost? Since when you did you become a political media giant? How do you know all of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by poorman3
I think it's funny, because you talk about what we're being fed by our media... But how do you know a real damn thing about what truly goes in in America, besides what you've been shown by your media? Since when have you personally come over and taken a look? You think you can base an entire country off of message boards and media? Please.
True, our leaders are a bunch of old fart cock suckers, but don't start grouping all Americans into the picture. That's like us basing your country's entire population off of Blair and his cohorts.
I'm also not happy with the way things are being run in my country. But what you see and hear over there isn't all of America. We're all entitled to our opinions here, but personally.... You insult my country, you insult me. I loved growing up here, and I love living here. All that leaving the country talk was just post-political hot air (at least from me). I know this is my home.
You're the one who is sad here. And I'm certainly glad you don't live over here, either.
thanks clevemire, we need more folks like you around here who will speak up and tell it like it is. not every american will do that. there are a lot of americans on this board that have`nt said nothing. i guess they just want to get stoned and hope someone else will speak up for them. i don`t see anything wrong with someone getting stoned but, to sit back and let people talk about america that way is not very patriotic to be an american. whether they like guns or not. peace.
[/QUOTE]... I guess im just going through my 'rebellious phase' that all teenagers go through.. hopefully, when i grow up, i'll start to conform like most people............................................ .......... :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
If you only strive for mediocrity, you will achieve it.
OH AND BY THE WAY,
oh never mind
AS I WAS READING ALL THIS FINE LITRATURE ON THIS THREAD I SWEAR I COULD HEAR THE MIND BABBLINGS OF GEORGE CARLIN, BILL MAHR, DENNIS MILLER, AND OTHER MENTAL GIANTS. I FEEL SO FORTUNATE TO SHARE THE AIR ON THIS PLANET WITH SUCH PROFOUND GREATNESS OF CLARITY.
pay no attention to me, it's just the weed talkin.
FACT: The Bush administration told the American public that Iraq and Afghanistan needed to be invaded, and Saddam and the Taliban removed, because the USA was in iminent danger from a terrorist attack.
FACT: After 9/11 there was news report after news report telling you, the American public, that you were in iminent danger from a terrorist attack.
FACT: Many Americans I have met or communicated with that the American public is in danger from a terrorist attack. To quote one Californian I recently met, "They could strike any place, at any time.. We need to be prepared". Even Americans on this website say they need guns for 'protection'.
FACT: In Canada there are roughly 7 million guns (population 30.2m), compared to 222 million guns in the US (poulation 270m). This equates to 0.25 guns per capita in Canada, and 0.82 in the US.. (1998)
FACT: %27 of homicides in Canada were with firearms, compared to %66 in the US. thats a difference of x2.4 (1998)
FACT: The overall homicide rate in Canada is 1.83 in every 100,000. This is compared to 6.62 in the US. (1998)
So, based on these facts, more guns = more deaths. So dont give me any of this "you dont know us" bullshit, the facts speak for themselves. Later