is the bible a fabrication?

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The Bible holds the teachings of the ages.......learn it, live it and be one with Mother Nature.

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No, the bible contains select teachings from a very select crowd actually. Ever heard of the Council of Nicea? While I like your pantheistic take on the bible, it doesn't really correlate well with established gospel. 'Subjugating the land, conqueroring the animals..' and all that...
And honestly, the concept of female spirituality is a more modern trend with christians rather than foundations of whatever bible they ascribe to.

Ephesians 5:22-24
"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

Deuteronomy 22:20-1

"If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girlâ??s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her fatherâ??s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her fatherâ??s house."

Yeah, lot of respect and reverence for the fairer sex back then :(


I think there is a 'Great Mother' of sorts, maybe something akin to Carlin's The Great Electron, but whatever it is it cares nothing for the temporal politics and sensitives of mankind. When we insist on viewing everything through an anthropomorphic lense, we only pander to our own egos and sense of self-importance while depriving ourselves of real knowledge.

The cosmos cares nothing for our collective need to place easy-to-comprehend answers to every aspect of life. Apart from attempting to inspire proactive social behavior, religious texts like the bible are just methods to reassure people that everything's gonna be alright (provided you conduct yourself in an endorsed fashion).

The bible is a rich literary tradition worthy of study, and having said that it needs to stay the hell out of our classrooms and government offices. There's already a great repository for that subject - they call it church! ;)

PRAISE DOG!

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Originally Posted by BlueDevil

No, the bible contains select teachings from a very select crowd actually. Ever heard of the Council of Nicea? While I like your pantheistic take on the bible, it doesn't really correlate well with established gospel. 'Subjugating the land, conqueroring the animals..' and all that...
And honestly, the concept of female spirituality is a more modern trend with christians rather than foundations of whatever bible they ascribe to.

Ephesians 5:22-24
"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

Deuteronomy 22:20-1

"If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girlâ??s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her fatherâ??s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her fatherâ??s house."

Yeah, lot of respect and reverence for the fairer sex back then :(


I think there is a 'Great Mother' of sorts, maybe something akin to Carlin's The Great Electron, but whatever it is it cares nothing for the temporal politics and sensitives of mankind. When we insist on viewing everything through an anthropomorphic lense, we only pander to our own egos and sense of self-importance while depriving ourselves of real knowledge.

The cosmos cares nothing for our collective need to place easy-to-comprehend answers to every aspect of life. Apart from attempting to inspire proactive social behavior, religious texts like the bible are just methods to reassure people that everything's gonna be alright (provided you conduct yourself in an endorsed fashion).

The bible is a rich literary tradition worthy of study, and having said that it needs to stay the hell out of our classrooms and government offices. There's already a great repository for that subject - they call it church! ;)

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i take it you didn't even take the time to notice the picture of 'the cannabis grow bible' that was associated with that post...?

very sad.

the bible is just a set on anoalogies and storyies to help people live their life and to explain things so they dont spend their life thinking about life and not paying there taxes. it is in essence about love peace and respect. but this seems to have been lost

snowblind

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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho

true, but on something like this, you'd think if it were true it would be able to be proven true without a shadow of a doubt....

atleast to me if you have to question something of this magnitude, it's just more fuel to disbelieve it.

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Then people wouldnt have to have faith. Because if its a proven fact then everyone would believe.

analyzing faith isn't part of the question, the question is, is the bible a fabrication.

since none of it can be proved i'm inclined to go out on a limb and say yes.

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i take it you didn't even take the time to notice the picture of 'the cannabis grow bible' that was associated with that post...?

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Then you took it wrong I'm afraid. No, the pic was noted and summarily ignored actually, the bit about 'being passed down the ages' playing no small part. I'm pretty sure I shouldn't have to note the christian bible theme present in this thread either...

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Originally Posted by Blindman0v0

The Father,the Son and the Holy Ghost.
Who they HELL is the holy ghost?

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Jesus! :pimp:

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

i feel bad for anyone who believes in that shit. seriously. you believe some giant invisible guy from nowhere just decided to invent everything in existence? seriously how do people believe in that bullshit. people are brainwashed to believe it just as their parents were. just think about it. do you actually believe that bullshit?

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

Jesus! :pimp:

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

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Isn't "the son" Jesus? The holy ghost being what I described above. Of course according to the holy trinity theory, all 3 are manifestations of the same entity anyway.

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Originally Posted by Brown Bomber

i feel bad for anyone who believes in that shit. seriously. you believe some giant invisible guy from nowhere just decided to invent everything in existence? seriously how do people believe in that bullshit. people are brainwashed to believe it just as their parents were. just think about it. do you actually believe that bullshit?

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Again, for anybody that is new to the thread, forum, board, or even people in general, please refrain from being disrespectful. You may not agree with a philosophy or choice a person has made, but there are more articulate ways to present your side. And besides, who's going to listen to you when you attack their beliefs in the first place? The best that will happen is a train of thought such as "if all the opposing viewpoint has to offer is cursing and disrespect, I don't want any part of it"

The mods have already renamed this thread, and have posted a nice warning as a sticky in the Spirituality forum. C'mon guys, help out the mods and keep it civil.

:asskick:I would rather read the Holy Bible (which is very interesting by the way, and one really needs to read it before commenting on it in any way...so borrow your mom's credit card and buy Hooked on Phonics and check it out) than continue reading this thread...and I am a Buddhist! Egads! I am throwing a stick of dynamite into the "room" and jumping out of the window. If you are wise you will follow me and not return...I have some lavatory grafitti to catch up on...but I am just a giant invisible guy from nowhere who cannot be trusted. So smack me!:beatdeadhorse:

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

Jesus! "

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Um, that would be the SON. Try again!

Now that the title has been changed to something I actually understand, here's my take on it from a non-interested perspective (Although I'm a Christian so actually I think it's true.. but bear with me). Imagine there is a book about a man's life, set in 1820s New York. The adventures and scrapes he gets into demonstrate certain moral, legal, and philosophical principles. Almost 100% of the events depicted are possible in the context of a man living in 1820s New York (Yeah, I know what some are thinking. But the stuff in the Bible is possible in the context of an omnipotent being). Some old people say their grampa knew the guy personally, and when the book was written in 1856 some newspaper articles have quotes from people claiming to know the guy from the book.
However, no one has ever found any living descendants, or dug up his grave or found any papers or effects that actually belonged to him. Now ask: Is the book a biography or a novel? Well, it's really a very moot point to everyone except the ones who believe that he WAS a real guy and their grampa REALLY DID know the guy. It may give them a sense of comfort to believe their grampa wasn't just yanking their chain all that time. And if the guy killed someone for whistling an irritating tune, and the book says that everyone who whistles irritating tunes should be killed, and someone reading it kills someone else after reading that, it's not the fault of believing it was a true book.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey

Isn't "the son" Jesus? The holy ghost being what I described above. Of course according to the holy trinity theory, all 3 are manifestations of the same entity anyway.

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You have a body soul and spirit. You are one. Father/Son/Holy Ghost are ONE person.

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Did you read the scripture I shared with the comment? Jesus is claiming to be present when people that believe in his name gather together. How can jesus the "son" be present if he's not physically there with the believers that are gathered?
Jesus is claiming that he is present with them in Spirit cause he is the Holy Spirit.

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost".....

"I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Um, that would be the SON. Try again!

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If I told you that I had Jesus in my heart, I would not be implying that I have Jesus and the Holy Spirit. They are one and the same.
As much as people enjoy chopping God up into three, he's ONE.

Thanks for posting! :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Brown Bomber

i feel bad for anyone who believes in that shit. seriously. you believe some giant invisible guy from nowhere just decided to invent everything in existence? seriously how do people believe in that bullshit. people are brainwashed to believe it just as their parents were. just think about it. do you actually believe that bullshit?

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First of all, I think the thread title should NOT have been changed. We should have freedom of expression. Especially on the internet. You have now expressed his title in a different way. But if you're gonna change something he wrote, you should be consistent.

And to answer Brown Bomber, YES I do believe in him. :jointsmile:

Seriously people way back when jesus was alive were stupid. The Bible is nothing more than the ramblings of crazy men put into words....jesus also was a crazy man. I mean what if someone were to ramble on nowadays and say they were the son of god.....how many people would believe them? It was alot more believable back in 20AD, so sure he gained a bunch of followers who then taught it to their kids, and so on, and so on until u get the plague we have today.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

First of all, I think the thread title should NOT have been changed. We should have freedom of expression. Especially on the internet. You have now expressed his title in a different way. But if you're gonna change something he wrote, you should be consistent.

And to answer Brown Bomber, YES I do believe in him. :jointsmile:

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The title was changed by a mod who found it offending. There are rules to abide by, and that title was breaking those rules.

^^ TheDefiler I think people who believe like you do are a plague. In fact I think those types of beliefs are just ramblings of crazy people who spread it to other people like smallpox. Back in the day people actually understand that there is more than what meets the eye. Back then how many people would believe an idiot like you saying that Jesus was a crazy man. LOL, actually I think it's cool if you don't believe it, but I hope you realize how ridiculous this post really is. And if you think what I just said is ridiculous, then take a look back at your own post.

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Originally Posted by JD1stTimer

Back then how many people would believe an idiot like you saying that Jesus was a crazy man.

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not that I disagree with the theme of your message, but I thought a lot of people way back when thought Jesus was crazy? Otherwise, he would have had many more followers, yes?

The message I was bringing across was that people in biblical times didn't have the same understanding of the world that we have today. Just like we understand thing like the world revolves around the sun and not the other way around, or that the world is round and not flat. That there are other planets out there and ours is not the center of the universe. People back then needed to believe in something to "explain" existence, and unfortunately the same is true today. Can't we just exist for no reason. How come there has to be a fucking reason for everything.

I think some of the stories in the Bible are certainly derived from events that did happen. However, not the mystical religiousy God-related stuff. I think religion, in all its forms, is just a mental crutch some people need to avoid dealing with the concept that the lives we are given are all we ever get. Christianity is just one version of that crutch. Someday we'll grow up enough that people won't need that crutch anymore. I'm not holding my breath on that happening in my lifetime though.

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Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie

The title was changed by a mod who found it offending. There are rules to abide by, and that title was breaking those rules.

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My point exactly, but did you read the language I pasted from Bomb Bomber in my post above? Wasn't the title - is the bible bullshit?

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Originally Posted by jamstigator

I think some of the stories in the Bible are certainly derived from events that did happen. However, not the mystical religiousy God-related stuff. I think religion, in all its forms, is just a mental crutch some people need to avoid dealing with the concept that the lives we are given are all we ever get. Christianity is just one version of that crutch. Someday we'll grow up enough that people won't need that crutch anymore. I'm not holding my breath on that happening in my lifetime though.

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Don't expect that to happen EVER! On the contrary, the others will be removed and it will end with an "all christian" race, forever. :D
You must be aroused right about now. :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by TheDefiler

Can't we just exist for no reason. How come there has to be a fucking reason for everything.

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why do you think religion is still so popular? it plays to the conceit of man. without the concept of the magical man in the sky, we would have to realize that mankind is nothing but another animal. but if you believe that there is some cosmic entity looking over us and judging our every action, then the human race becomes much more important in the grand scheme of things.

most forms of religion and spirituality give us the illusion that we exist outside of the flesh. without the idea of a spiritual existence we would have to admit that at some point we will just cease to exist, no better than a cockroach under your heel. once we created gods to give our existence meaning, we became superior to all other life. with this "god given superiority" our rush for dominion over the rest of the planet seems almost justifiable. without it we are just another greedy little species, grubbing after an illusion of power.

The original title of this thread was, "Is the Bible bullshit".

We do not allow cusswords in ANY thread title; those are changed on a regualr basis- in ALL forums!!!

It's nothing having to do with the content of the thread, and last time I checked bullshit and fabricated do in fact imply the same thing, but one is more polite... IF you have a hard time expressing yourself without cursing, perhaps you should consider working on your writing skills.

I'm not even going to get into the problem with the title... offensive, for sure; by putting the question in those terms, you are BEGGING for the argument to get rude. And then I end up with a boxful of reported posts from people who are upset about that.

And we don't have all day to moderate this forum. There's a lot of other content on this website... I'd rather spend my time answering grow questions... really!!!

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Originally Posted by stinkyattic

Um, that would be the SON. Try again!

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um, lets try this again. the holy Ghost is God, the third part of the holy trinty, God the father, God the son, and God the holy Ghost.
three different Persons, yet they are one. dont try to figure it out
because you cant, God is much bigger then are little minds can take in.:)

Yeah, Hardcore, that's true, and saying He was Son of God is what got Him in trouble... and the vast majority of people wanted Him killed. I was just trying to reverse the argument as closely as possible. I found it extremely offensive to be called a member of a plague, ignorant, crazy, etc. Now if only I could give TheDefiler +rep after clarifying himself in a less offensive way, but alas.. Must spread the rep around. I'll get it to you soon, TheDefiler! :)

Hehe thanks man i appreciate that! I didn't mean to come off as offensive.

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Originally Posted by JD1stTimer

Yeah, Hardcore, that's true, and saying He was Son of God is what got Him in trouble... and the vast majority of people wanted Him killed. I was just trying to reverse the argument as closely as possible.

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But you tried to prove a point with a flawed argument :p

AHA! Because, it's the inverse of an already flawed argument! doodoo = oopoop spin that around and it's a turd either way! ;) Besides, I just busted a hump for a week to negate an accidental -rep I put on you.. :P ;) :thumbsup: :stoned:

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Originally Posted by JD1stTimer

AHA! Because, it's the inverse of an already flawed argument! doodoo = oopoop spin that around and it's a turd either way! ;) Besides, I just busted a hump for a week to negate an accidental -rep I put on you.. :P ;) :thumbsup: :stoned:

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I appreciate it, but I already told you that it wasn't necessary. I was just informing you so you didn't do it again by accident to anyone else, I think I went down by 2-3 points, nothing to worry about at all :) . But again, the effort is greatly appreciated.

Thanks HC :)

Yes!

NCM

i think the bible is a good idea but ppl put way to much faith in it and the churches are now way to powerful, they have special privlages like no taxes for ex and yet they are still a buissness i say if u like the bible dont take it word for word but as more metaphors learn from it not obey it, just be a nice person no one can argue with that