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So prayer is pointless then?
Pray against gods will = Satanism & Magic (assuming you successfully wish against Gods will)
Pray and it works = It was Gods will all along
Pray and it doesn't work = It was Gods will all along (zzz...)
So prayer is pointless unless you get what you pray for (against gods will!) and then you go to hell anyway.
Phew, good job I don't do a lot of Praying ;)
Wise prayer means asking to be able to see God's plan for you, asking His will to be done not yours, and for the strength/courage/knowledge to live your life well.
These requests do not ask Him to 'change' anything but us, and our ability to make good choices which will lead us on the right path.
that is a terrible terrible godawful point. it is funny how most men dont want to put a dick in their mouth until they are in prison and they realize they either do it or take a savage beating and get forced to do it. and i do believe something more powerful than we can understand exists. however i dont think it is a man in the clouds, like you seem to. the reason people turn to "him" when they otherwise wouldnt in extreme cases is because there is nothing rational they can turn to and it gives them a sense of comfort and joy. have you heard about the study that was released in the past few years testing the power of prayer. the results showed that prayer did nothing at best. in fact the subjects who were prayed for generally did worse than the ones who were not. you have your opinion let other people have theirs as well. believe what you want, but dont say stuff in a condescending knowitall tone (ie It's funny how people feel so strongly GOD doesn't exist until they need to call on him. At your toughest point in life you will call on GOD.Some of us have already did. So please put all of the GOD doesn't exist stuff to rest.) when you cant prove anything you are saying. keep an open mind, and dont assume people are wrong because they dont agree with you.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by fsunoles
if i'll go to anyone, it would be satan, if you've read the Bible, then read the Satanic Bible then look at them from an unbiased position... you'll see that Satan is misunderstood and makes way more sense than god
yea i highly doubt u called on a fuckin spagetti monster.and what about b4 south park came up with that did u call on it b4 u ever heard of it? im sure it went something like god this or that with god in there somewhere, and cursing him for u droping something on ur foot. and u can't tell me you've never cursed god b4 u know the being u think is fake made up, and if u say u never have then i'll go ahead and call u a lair now so i won't have to later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
yeah... i did that whole god thing... up until i was about 12, then, unlike most, i grew out of it, i'm a very stubborn person, all the preachers say "don't question the lord blah blah blah" what the fuck kind of a creator is that? that's like getting 6 billion puppies and abondoning them and saying "ok, run along and defend yourselves now"Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
Hey, I found out that south park didn't come up with the FSM, but they did make fun of it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
I may convert to Pastafarianism soon :p
John Lennon didnt belive in god, and he was a pretty cool dude...:jointsmile:
i've been thinking about becoming a shaker. i figure that, with only four remaining members, they are in desperate need of converts.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
lmao now thats funny lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Juggalo k00kie
lmfao ok u go do that lmao damnQuote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
yea then got shotQuote:
Originally Posted by Sgt.Pepper
so, it was a conspiracy after all. he was assassinated by a theist cabal.Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
100 % of people have taken a shit, doesnt mean mr hankey exists
i honestly think you are making a gross sweeping statement here.
i personally have never prayed
100% truth
something like that i guess i just thought the guy was a misslead dumb fuck i mean who shoots someone "just because i was tired of being a nobody" as i think thats what he said in an interviewQuote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
sooooooo................ HAIL SATAN, BITCHES SUCK MY NUTS
LOL ... I smoke bud with the name GOD! I also believe in GOD!
Cannabis is a plant that grows from the ground ...
If GOD didn't want it, it wouldn't be around ...
So all you haters that don't get high ...
Shut the f*ck up and give it a try! :smokin:
*Peace!* :joint1:
i second thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Billionfold
i won't deny i have called up on him... i used to be christian afterall.....
however, many many times of being called upon he's never answered, in any shape or form...
intresting....
who r u again??Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper666
Im staying the fuck out of this one, lol... I might end up saying something very sarcastically rude hahahahahaha. (but that wont prevent me from standing in the background laughing my ass off hahahahah)
please do... or rep me and tell me what you're thinking... o.0Quote:
Originally Posted by GraziLovesMary
LMAO I tried reppin ya but I gotta spread the love first. HOW MUCH LOVE DO I GOTTA FUCKIN SPREAD!?!?!? I repped like 10 people today, and none of em were you! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
no matter how much you spread it there's still a ammount of time you have to wait....
i have called on him thats also why i dont believe in him, he never did nothin for me ive struggled and prayed but still struggled even more, if thats what u get for prayin well.....
i acutally have to quote the real god George Carlin on this whole subject....
"if it's god's will and his will, will be done, what the fuck is the purpose of praying in the first place....?"
:confused:
Your claim is ridiculous. There's no way you can say 100% of humans have reached out to god. You are speaking what you want to be the truth, not what is. I do not believe in a god, and have been in very real life/death situations. I did not pray or reach out to a god, because that's not what I believe. I can see how atheists would do that though. It's called being desperate. What if there really was a god and by praying to him you could save your life, why not try it? There's nothing to lose, but possibly your life. Animals (yes, we too are animals) are "programmed" to want to live and reproduce. When our life may be taken away we will do anything (or almost anything, there's always exceptions) possible to save ourselves. It's how we are.
Actually, he has said he believed in some sort of god/god like being during some interviews, then there's statements/songs that lead me to believe otherwise. But I more strongly believe he thought there was some sort of god. And "pretty cool dude"?? Comon, that's a bit of an understatement. Anyway, awesome name, ur a pretty cool dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt.Pepper
"God is a concept, by which we measure our pain."
-John Lennon
Ya Polymirize, you are a lair. Can I bake you out, that would be pretty cool. Read palerider's signature, he gives you advice in dealing with him: "Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~ Anonymous"Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
I can say that of the 100% of the people who have cried out for God,a 100% of them have never been helped by God.For good reason,there is NO God.There never has been never will be.
Cause some psycho thought demons told him to do it. Now how many people was it that wanted Jesus dead? Damn, seems like Lennon was much more popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
ok.... praying to god is like praying to... lets say a fan.. you pray to it for money... next week you MAY win a lottery ticket or you MAY not.. it's just chance, if you take three DIFFERENT hospitals with the same resources and technology, full of breast cancer patients, and 100 people pray to the fan to help the cancer patients of one hospital another 100 pray to god to help the patients of the other hospital (which is an unselfish thing to do.. which is supposedly the shit you're suppose to pray for) and the third hospital isn't prayed for at all..... next year the same amount from each hospital will die (give or take a few) everything in the world is chance or coincidence.. get over it
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Originally Posted by Hyde roponics
I Like that.:thumbsup:
Ive got pulled over a few yrs ago had a QP hidden in my back seat and the whole time the troppers were looking (i was praying that they wouldnt find it) whats funny is the cop came back and asked me how to open the seat i said IDK how...but it ws soo easy to open all he had to do was pull up on it... either god was listening or it was just my lucky day that all he found was a roach.....oh yeah that roach cost me 200 dollars..damn texas......
ever think the cop was just stupid? :O wow, what a surpriseQuote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
Well yeah i did, but they wouldnt let a stupid cop out on the Field being stupid and all..
Well heres a stupid cop..... FOXNews.com - Oklahoma Police Kill 5-Year Old Boy While Shooting at Snake - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News
Oklahoma Police Kill 5-Year Old Boy While Shooting at Snake
"I'm not saying the cop shot him on purpose," Tracy said. "It was an accident. But let me tell you â?? if I had a kid and put him in this car and didn't put him in a car seat and he got killed on the way to town, they'd charge me with murder ... and what this cop did is a lot worse than that."
you got lucky then =/ pretty much the same ammount cost me over 1,000 in fines. 500 on a lawyer plus court costs, 6 month suspension of my driver's liscense (which i didn't even have) drug awareness classes, super high insurance, and 100 dollar reinstantement fee for my lisencese..... oh and of course a night in jail.Quote:
Originally Posted by eg420ne
in American society and indeed in practically any society which places some sort of emphasis on religion, the notion of a divine being (in Christianity/English's case 'God') is engrained into each member of that society's mind far before they have the capacity to make a rational choice as whether or not to 'believe'. Thus even fire and brimstone atheists like myself still shout out "OH MY GOD" during sex or when something terrible happens. I don't know what point I just made is, or what the original point was intended to be aside from proof that our families, culture and government often program us from a young age into the people we are. I could make deep ties to an err in natural selection due to the mental condition of the human race as a whole, but I'd rather not attempt to outdue myself. I'd just like to ask all members of the forum who belong to a specific religion, regardless of what it is, to realize that the fact of the matter is that how you were raised has more to do with what you believe, that what you actually believe. While people do convert to other religions, for the most part children raised under one belief system follow that belief system(albeit extremely laxly). Out of the 1000+ religions that have been invented in the world, what makes yours so much different? Could 'God' not just be energy itself, ever-flowing, infinite? Energy created the universe, molded our planet and still does to this day. Religions are created for basically the same reason - as a tool for the powerful to influence, organize and control the masses along with explain naturally occuring phenomena that at the time of that religions creation was unexplainable (floods, lightening, volcanic ash, plagues, infestations, etc.). I believe in myself and thats all I need.
no need to be shy now big boyQuote:
Originally Posted by GraziLovesMary
u know it's funny, that all these diffrent cultures have pretty much the same stories, of say like the great flood to name one of many, and this is way b4 any of them mingled with any other cultures.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper666
u know etched out on the walls of temples and other places and they each had there own verison, but still pretty much the same ending. so explain how people that have never seen or heard from each other know these things? and lets for the sake of it say, they did have sum contact with each other are u telling me that all these people that don't know each other from adam gonna just believe what sum stranger came and told them? and are u gonna sit there and tell me that people that don't know each other i e cultures, would reach out and make up something to worship and never heard of god b4 in there lifes? what r the odds of that??
the thing is god is in every culture at sum point, in time, so ur saying every human being thats been on this earth longs to believe in sumthing higher than them?it's weird that theres tribes that have never seen anybody else down in south america that has had no contact with the outside world, and they even have stories that match up to the bible so whatever u want to say.