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yea ya mumma
for the record.. I suggest we carpet bomb with lsd and ecstacy.. starting with a few people on this thread : )
This threadis kinda how I imagine wars to start... subject comes up... we argue... I can't win... so I bust a capin your ass.... I personaly prfer option "B" .... I offer you some X.. we reconsile our differences we go back to my place and hump all night.. but if y'all want to kill each other... ho hum
I would like you to enlighten me on the idea of a soldier having a choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Piper
NO soldier has a choice except the choice to sign up or not , once that decision is made then you become a servant who is expected to follow orders without question. As a former soldier I can tell you the consequences for disobeying orders , the brass don't like anyone questioning their methods, or madness, and a quick trip to the guardhouse can be quickly followed by your discharge from the force.
The military is not a democracy.
Explain to me how the US forces in Iraq are fighting for the people of America?? They aren't , they are serving the interests of global commerce.
Cannon fodder is cannon fodder.
Just like in Vietnam the enemy has home advantage , they have support across the country (nobody in Iraq really wants an american puppet) and they will continue to send home more troops in bodybags.
Think how many lives would be saved if America defended only it's own borders , this would also reduce the amount of illegal immigrants , add to this the monetary savings by not having to support overseas bases and operations.
Pre-emptive action is just another word for aggression , if we destroyed everything that could become a threat there would be nothing left in this world.
The arrogance of America in believing it has the (God given) right to impose it's ideas on everyone else is what is making this world an increasingly dangerous place , without US interference the Taliban would never have come to power , Saddam would never have lasted as long as he did and this shit wouldn't be happening now.
America should clean up it's own backyard before it tries to set itself up as a shining example of democracy .
so then your saying America should leave you cocksuckers to kill each other off and just nuke the first one to piss in our yardQuote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
ok fine by me ,
just dont cry help me USA when the next fucking so called god chosen idiot stomps over and kills your people.,,,,remember how you dont want no usa to back anyone and help anyone,,,,,you remember that mr bad ass.
yaw expect a country just a lil over 200 years old to be perfect
fuck you
yaw been countries for ages and look,,,,america has to BIAL YOUR ass out of shit year by year
so shut the anti american shit up
i also think we should not be in iraq at this time
but saddam was helped into power
USA righted that wrong now didnt we
so what the fuck has your country did for anyone?
thanks and fuck you too
have a bad day to your anything america does is wrong ass.
peace to those who want it
Your eloquence astounds me . LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by NowhereMan
"Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing."
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1)
"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling power.
As mentioned earlier, the secret U.S./Nazi corporate alliance during World War II was the result of substantial American investment in post-World War I Germany. In order to protect these investments, and the accumulating profits, the U.S. multinational corporations remained an important part of the Nazi war machine until the final defeat of Germany in 1945. What effect did the end of World War II have on this faction of American Nazi collaborators?
In this section we will review the evidence, much of it from recently de-classified documents, that this pro-Nazi faction, rather than facing charges of high treason, became an integral part of the United States national security apparatus, extending its fascist influence in both foreign and domestic policies and, in effect, creating what has been referred to as America's "Invisible Government." The excuse, of course, was Communism.
http://www.wealth4freedom.com/Elkhorn3.html
America fights for freedom??
Dream on .
"Greed is good" Gordon Ghecko , that seems to be the US mantra.
Exactly they have tha choice 2 sign up thats exactly wat i meant, i no and most people who r going in2 tha military no there lives belong 2 tha military for tha next 4 years tha point is they have tha choice 2 join and unless theres a draft no1s forcing them.and as far as america being arrogant thats our government i no it sucks i cant stand bush but most people think tha wars wrong so dont fuck wit americans jus for being american i would neva say that a person should go 2 hell or die jus because of who they are.and 2 psychocat im not goin against u i have more respect 4 soldiers than n e thing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
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Originally Posted by BuD MaN
and who and what would that be?
wtf is a neo-nazi freedom fighter?
wow i just lost about all respect for the people posting the extremley ignorant posts about america.
on the otherhand, i have a newfound respect for torog
sedater and psychocat, ive had just about enough. pacifistic ways are good in theory, but so is communism.
and do you really think INDIA is going to be a countries with liberties? hah..i laugh at you, especially becuase you hate the USA becuase of the war in IRAQ, but you faild to not be a hypocrite and hate INDIA over the war in kashmere, or were you to uninformed to make that connection.
freedom comes with a price, and yes that price is sometimes death. and in the eyes of me, and probally any other person with a grip on reality, you look like a selfish sonofabitch, taking our freedoms for granted, if we were in an opressed country, with a tyrant leader, killing citizens left and right, at will, raping women, living in a constant sense of fear that you may be next, would you want a country to come in and give their OWN LIVES to save you from your hell? do you have a mother or sister? what if one day some men busted into your house, grabbed them, and raped them. would you be ok with i? if so you are a sick soul. america does have just causes in iraq. the only reason you believe americas only reason was WOMD was becuase thats all the media focuses on. the media in america and across the world mainly makes its reports to make america look bad. yes we found no WOMD, but what did we do? we removed a tyrant from leadership. we saved an entire country from a living hell
but we had no right to go in there...right?
WRONG
we had all the right in the world to go in there
they harbor terrorists
they kill innocent citizens, one reason you hate america, but when iraq kills them by the dosens is ok isnt it? because they arent a WESTERN country..
we had a very good idea that there was a possibility of WOMD, we were wrong, but i guess saving the lives of millions of iraquis are no consolation...
and for whoever said it was for finantial gain...wow...i want beat you with a stick for being so dumb
sending troops overseas...
money for food, supplies...
money for more enlistments...
aid to citizens of iraq...
reconstructing the cities...
all for pepsi and mcdonalds
your so brilliant! i would never have thought about it, we can make a few corporations expant .012% by spending only what? 470 billion dollars?...WOW YOUR FUCKING RETARDED
im sorry...i couldnt take the stupidity ANY MORE
Firstly I'm not a pacifist of any description (I like fighting a lot) and I don't hate Americans in general , just those ignorant of the facts enough to believe that the troops are in Iraq to "liberate" the Iraqi people.
I don't care about WMD , I don't care about India , the title of the thread should be enough of a clue as to what this debate is about.
The US ""GOVERMENT"" and their ""COMMERCIAL BACKERS"" are the true benificiaries of the war in Iraq , war is very lucrative for weapons manufacturers and the people charged with rebuilding the war torn area , Bush had backers during his election campaign who have a vested interest in the contracts to fix up what US forces blew the fuck out of.
US forces had no right to invade any country , and as for the war on terror and the hunt for those who harbour terrorists how about starting with Isreal.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stevese...WarCrimes.html
The pepsi and bigmac comment was simply a reference to corporate America numbnuts not a literal statement.
And of course the US taxpayer is footing the bill while your politicians send even more brainwashed kids to their death in the name of God and the christian way of life.
Sounds to me like you aren't really much use for anything but cannon fodder!
Go for it Rambo !!! LMAO
um, i dont know where you live but in my american troops arent sent to war in the name of god and the christian way of life...that would be the islamic extremests killing thousands of innocent americans in the name of allah and the muslum way of life
thankyou
They're sent in the name of money and power..... Oops, I just opened up a can of worms.... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by koshea
Unbelievable naivety and arrogance.
yep on your part i agree
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Firstly I'm not a pacifist of any description (I like fighting a lot)
well i dont,but defending ones self and others from Bully ass mofo's is a must.
and I don't hate Americans in general
your a liar.i think you hate everything it stands for,EVERYTHING.
, just those ignorant of the facts enough to believe that the troops are in Iraq to "liberate" the Iraqi people.
it aint for oil ya dum ass
I don't care about WMD ,
I don't care about India ,
the title of the thread should be enough of a clue as to what this debate is about.
The US ""GOVERMENT"" and their ""COMMERCIAL BACKERS"" are the true benificiaries of the war in Iraq ,
and the NEW IRAQ with elections lets not forget oh yea no more dictator saddam to kill anyone who says he is bad
least i can say george bush sucks and not have nobody come drag me out and shoot me for it.,its called freedom,check into it
war is very lucrative for weapons manufacturers and the people charged with rebuilding the war torn area ,
and that is to mean.,is the ONLY reason they do it ?
hahhaaahaa
you cant believe that shit can you.
now im sure some companies enjoy huge profits at war times and love it
but to think THat alone is reason why usa ;s sons and duaghters are dying for it is plain to know you dont know the USA at all.
so your saying ,they should pay wages to people who work making the stuff how,?
Bush had backers during his election campaign who have a vested interest in the contracts to fix up what US forces blew the fuck out of.
so we should just leave it there blew the fuck up,Ok>
US forces had no right to invade any country ,
make that the right to invade ,any thats a threat to it.
as any nation would.
and as for the war on terror and the hunt for those who harbour terrorists how about starting with Isreal.
sure but that take palastine off the map period too so U really think the usa gonna start on such a nation that stands surrounded by enimies
she we protect that place,ONLY becuase it has so many wanting it to fall due to religious reasons,
we (the usa)protect alot of folks
The pepsi and bigmac comment was simply a reference to corporate America numbnuts not a literal statement.
yea like the iwo-jima sign huh ?
And of course the US taxpayer is footing the bill
as we always have will and will do
while your politicians send even more brainwashed kids
fuck you for every soldier out there
to their death in the name of God (some are religious not many)
i think it will say marine us army or US on his uniform not GOD"S ARMY
and the christian way of life. hahahahaa thats just so biased
and a chance and freedom in some form is how i see it
Sounds to me like you aren't really much use for anything but cannon fodder!
see even you think certain types of people are so invaluable that you would not care see them fucked up by being used in meat grinder battles
real humane of ya there cat
Go for it Rambo !!! LMAO
you would shit if he did and one day showed up your house wouldnt ya.,
Iraq elections to enable a US puppet goverment to be set up.
Explain how Iraq was singled out as a direct threat when more advanced "enemies" (China,Korea) are left alone.
Isreali intelligence was used to justify the war (WMD ready in 45 minutes) and has since proven the term military intelligence is a true oxymoron.
Define terrorist.
Saudi Arabia harbours terrorists but I can't see any troops heading there.
Once again I will point out I don't like or dislike anyone I don't personaly know.
The GOVERMENT of the USA is my bugbear.
The GOVERMENT that refuses to sign the Kyoto agreement.
The GOVERMENT that created the Taliban as a world force (CIA trained).
The GOVERMENT that helped Pinochet .
The GOVERMENT that is the most hypocritical in the world.
The GOVERMENT with the dual goal of creating a foothold for US interests in the middle east and setting up a sympathetic (to the US) Iraqi leader to smooth the way for further commercial deals.
Anyone capable of thinking for themselves would see through the bull.
You mean FREEDOM as in the freedom from being bullied into living as the US decides?
PS I don't really give a fuck who I upset the truth is the only thing I'm interested in , If I hate all things american why is my favourite singer from Detroit?
If I hate all things american why is my favourite actor from Neptune, New Jersey?
If I hate all things american why do I find someone from Worcester, Massachusetts, USA so funny.
Alice Cooper.
Jack Nicholson.
Dennis Leary.
That plus the fact that I have freinds in Chicago , Florida and Ohio kind of fucks up your theory that I lied about my feelings towards Americans in general.
Americans like yourself do make me feel for the ones who have to share a country with you.
im from worcester massachusettes :)Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
Just for the record the American government attacked its own buildings. How can a plane 130ft (approx.) in length and 85ft wide (approx.) fit into a hole in the side of the pentagon 65ft across and i forget how tall and leave no wreckage no engines nothing anywhere. And then if you look closely when the planes went into the towers you can see from 4 different angles on the south tower moments before the plane went in flashes of light in the cockpit and on with the north tower just before the plane went in is a flash of light in the cockpit. The plane that went in the south tower was no commuter plane, it was a military plane of some sort. If you look at the belly of the plane there is something long attached and if you look at an ordinary 767 or whatever it was the belly is smooth. look and see for yourself. And then if you listen to audio of when the towers were about to collapse there are explosions in and around the bulidings. see and listen for yourself. And when the towers were going down if you also listen there are explosions on each floor as they collapse. That doesnt usually happen when a large building goes down. And in the pentagon again, wernt the planes meant to have intense heat say the US government and news, So why is there a book on a stool (opened) on the edge of one of the rooms where the building collapsed and no pages are burnt, gone black or nothing and there is a computer on a desk undisturbed inches away from where the building colapsed. I dont know why but thats a bit odd. And the fuel in the plane that went into the pentagon would be thought of as toxic and the soil would have had to be removed. I dint ever see any special people for removing shit like that around. And out of all the cameras on and around the pentagon there is no footage of any noise, plane anything. But a service station not far away had a camera straight at the place where the plane went in and then a few hours later some FBI or whatever people went to the station and confiscated the tape for unknown reasons. And just randomly, why when Saddam challenged Bush to a live debate on TV Bush declined. I could go on...
so wheres are the missing planes, any way a old teachers of mines wife died on one of the planes that hit the towers. i think its irresponible for you to write such bull-shit. no shit the fbi is going to confiscate the tapes from the pentagon, its called evidence collection, if you wanna see them so bad request them from the feds using the freedom of infomation act. i remembered your only 15 so ill forgive you its natural for you to believe crazy shit, but it does give sane liberals like me a bad name.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuD MaN
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Originally Posted by BuD MaN
i got a pimple on my ass older than him
with more sense too.
i hope the fuck his parents find out his 15 yr old punk ass is here spouting shit and take his net away
talking shit like that
and as for crazycat you just spout off all that crap you want im done even trying tell your boo hoo'n ass anything cuase america is bad and your just never wrong are ya
so fuck all you anti american dickheads
i hate gw and any one of you assholes that make me defend him
he didnt fly no fucking plane or have one flown into no fucking pentagon
anyone dum enough to think the usa is behind that shit
needs shot for humanity 's sake,they are dangerous to us all ,pure moron's
fuck yaw rumor creating/ passing bastards,
cant get any sense out of your defected thinking budBOY
change ya name to budpunk
its sure dont need Man in it
.
exits after farting loudly and says to you " smell that on the way to hell"
I dont think we should of gone over there except to drop the fucking bomb on them get it all over with france too there a bunch of basters if is wasnt for USA they would be speaking german matter of fact most county would be fucked if it wasnt for USA
And If you disagree then fuck you look at your history books
Even tho I agree that we saved their asses, germany couldn't have held that much land for too long, and Hitler's government would have failed by now.
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Originally Posted by NowhereMan
Thats the way to win a debate LMAO
Anyone dumb enough to believe the US gov is interested in anything that doesn't benefit them in some way should be re-educated.
My history books tell me enough to know that :
America supported pre war Germany and continued to do business with them even after the outbreak of hostilities.
America has a history of subversion and interference .
Paranoia runs rampant (reds unders the bed) and the idea that the rest of the world is against you may tell you something about your own paranoia.
As for Germany being defeated by America , think again (research would help) the idiots of German high command made the same mistake as Napoleon , they tried to take on Russia in the middle of winter and suffered massive losses due to the Russians retreat and burn policy.
The Russians knew that the German army was relying on the spoils of war to feed their troops so they didn't bother fighting but retreated and destroyed anything the nazis could use , when the enemy arrived to find no food no shelter and not even a single enemy the moral of the troops suffered badly.
Lots of German troops simply froze to death on the march to catch up with the Russians and the supply lines from Germany simply became to stretched.
It also reminds me of the story of how the Americans and the Russians tackled the problem of biro's not working in space.
NASA spent 3 years and millions of dollars developing a pen that could write under water , in space and anywhere else you want to take it.
The Russians ,,, they used a pencil.
man i cant believe you wrote that. first the americans werent the only people on the beaches fighting to free the french. americans are always saying two things two english people: we whipped your butts in the revolutionary war and we bailed ur butts out in both world wars. about the revolutionary war whoop dee doo if you didnt realise we had empires all over the world at that time we cant have enough troops everywhere. "the sun never sets on the british empire" and about the second thing you didnt bail us out of anything you only entered the second world war when you were attacked and russia basically defeated the germans at the end. i forget what you guys did in the 1st world war because im stoned rite now lol :D but i doubt u bailed our butts out. and about that bombing iraq and the french comment its people like you that make people hate americans and that some people were glad when 9/11 happened im not sayin i was happy coz it was devistating but there are some people that felt that way. i cant see how you would want to kill millions of innocent civilians by bombing them just like hiroshima and naggasaki (sp.) ok my stoned rambling is done now il probably read this later and be like when did i write this lol. PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pot me up
i agree the whole we kicked your ass in the revolution is overblown, i doubt we would have won without french help. but after ww2 the mashall plan reconstructed europe at american expense. and during the war i doubt england would have withstood the german air-raids had not america declared war on germany, also there would have been no d-day without american troops. i agree the iraq war is bullshit, and tony blaire is bush's prison bitch. I was just trying to make the point american foriegn policy wasnt always crappy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rogue
that got yous goin. Denial peoples. You got nothing to use against me except for my age
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Originally Posted by BuD MaN
You tend to be bias...
and the fact that 'your' pentagon theory is from some bullshit video clip from a web site, i have a question to you wheres the plane now and all the people on it? why wouldnt the goverment just say a missile hit the pentagon, i see no logic in them lying? why would the goverment attack it self and kill many of its own people working in the pentagon? you have some bullshit conspiracy theory that doesnt stand up to any serious scrutiny. and the only reason i commented on your age was to illistrate the point kids are guillible.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuD MaN
Hmmm... How about fuck YOU, and then YOU go look at a history book (preferably written anywhere else but the US, then you'll know the truth...)Quote:
Originally Posted by pot me up
haha, and Americans arnt guilluble. You wen to war based on a lie and you continue to believe your own bullshit...hmmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by juggalo420
and no fool, I have watched a thousands docos from left and right winged based reporters and they all say and show the same thing. The diff. is im in a country who doesnt try and controle what I think and say...
if your talking the war in iraq i agree it was started on illegitimate reasons, but i thought we were talking about whether or not the pentagon was struck by an airplane or was part of some conspiracy therory. you cant defend or answer any questions i asked you regarding your conspiracy theories so you did a little switch trick by bringing up the war in iraq assuming i was for it. my questions regarding the pentagon cospiracy theories remain-Quote:
Originally Posted by BuD MaN
*wheres the plane now and all the people on it?
*why wouldnt the goverment just say a missile hit the pentagon, i see no logic in them lying?
*why would the goverment attack it self and kill many of its own people working in the pentagon?
of course you cant answer these, if you could you already would have the previous times i asked you.
what proof, what documents are you talking about, if you have any links provide them(none that are from lunics please, ones that have references)Quote:
Originally Posted by BuD MaN
also i assume you are from australia because on your location it says 'from down under' i hope you relieze australia has troops on the ground in iraq also.
just admit your wrong kid.
sure they do!Quote:
Originally Posted by BuD MaN
Only one war was acceptable and America didn't bail us out
Since I live in Belgium I know quite a bit about both WWs, for those who don't know, belgium is just at the north of France,at the South of The Netherlands, Germany is our Eastern neighbour and to get in the UK I just have to cross the english channel, you all know the battle of the bulge? it was here in Belgium been there, seen that. My grandfather was an active member of the resistance and I have a the disfunctioned mausser rifle he gave me (He took it from a german he killed). The town I live in is not far from a German POW camp where many got killed, just to give you an idea: you read in history books, I've seen the places, heard the stories at first hand. Belgium has been occupied for 5 years by German ruling, not fun, und nein, Wir würden nicht Deutsches sprechen. Weil Hitler verrückt war, and do all native americans speak only English? Or do some of them also speak their tongue? and if I remember my history book correct:
Final victory came for Russia when Soviet soldiers hoisted the red flag over the Berlin Reichstag in April 1945.
And for what did you fight? Did the soldiers that fought here, when they came here, knew what they were fighting for? Not many... afterwards when they saw the deathcamps came the horror.... This is the only war that was just, that in terms of humanity you could speak of good vs evil. and after the war to end all wars? let's talk about now and leave all the dumb shit US goverment did past 50 years. WHat are you doing in Iraq? offering peace? giving Iraq to the Iraqees? What about Darfour, the genocide that's going on there? btw I hope bush sended Osama a X-mass card, oops, can't do, he still doesn't know where he is, Osama is the dude after 9/11 Right? (This is just to make clear that 9/11 doesn't justify Iraq war, Osama isn't Sadam). Oh, was Sadam making America scared with weapons of mass destruction? Now Sadam should be in court. And I thought Presumed Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Were are the weapons that the reports said there would be? Objection, those reports were false!
Let's be honnest even if ya could make believe a person that you're doing it for freedom for all the world, isn't it strange you only go to countries were you can get an economical advantage?
Sorry to offend anybody let me just remind myself and others that we don't send the soldiers, the politics do, we just smoke em.
BTW, soldiers, listen to that old hippie song by Donovan, The Universal Soldier.
everyone go out and hire fahrenheit 911 is yous are open to truth
thats rightQuote:
Originally Posted by BuD MaN
go out give fat ass mr Moore some money cuase he knows the REAL truth about everything there ever was,
hire fahrenheit 911 is yous are open to truth
whoohoo man "he sure does"
" is u 4 he do dat "
siad some retarted dude on crack who agree's with you
"hims- b-da-jebus"
R weet weet warb jebus
whoobah diebah onda coss 4 manba kindba
oh yea,im luaghing my ass off about this geniius right now
i still beeda gibbons ooba fanger
(i still be giving you the finger)
(ok dumass think dialect or look up the word if you aint learned that one in 7th grade yet)
re exits cuase it its smells like bullshit too bad in here
You can't count out America in WWII. Russia kept the germans occupied on the eastern front and America allowed for allied victories in the west. Remember Japan? We did most of the fighting over in the pacific with Australia at our side. Do you think that if Japan had it's full fleet and military that they would have surrendered to Russia alone? Don't forget that it was the American lend-lease that gave Russia the weaponry that it needed to overcome the German Wehrmacht.
P.S. Bringing up the revolutionary war is stupid, who the fuck does that? Thats like Canadians brining up the war of 1812 like they seem to do.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=428603 <--- google answers. Google is supposedly omnipotent, the reply is sort of shitty but eh....
to answer your question about who brings up the revolutionary war. every american i know brings it up when i tell them im british and yes it is stupid. yes america did most of there fighting over in japan until they were losing and cudnt handle the japenese so they bombed millions of innocent people just so they could save there own lives instead of invading japan. the president at that time even said that. o well it doesnt matter now its in the past lets get over it and toke up :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sedater18
yea the atomic bomb being dropped on civilians. pure evil. of course the japanese themselves had Unit 731 which itself was more than sadistic.
The yanks didn't show up in Europe till it was almost over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sedater18
The battle that realy decided the fate of all european countries was fought in the skies above the channel and there were an awful lot of men who lost their lives , the funny thing is that when you peruse the list of names and homelands the lack of Americans is obvious.
Aussies , Kiwis ,South Africans even , and Canadians but no yanks.
Czechs , Poles , Belgians , Free French , Palestinian and Irish but still no Americans. WOW I found one , Haviland Pilot Officer J K American 151 , better than none I suppose. JK Haviland obviously wasn't scared of a real fight.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/roll.html
P/O John Kenneth Haviland an American was born on the 19th of January 1921 in Mount Kisco, New York. He spent most of his early life in England, starting school there at the age of five. John went to Nottingham University at 17. He obtained his 'A' Licence and joined the R.A.F.V.R. He was called up at the outbreak of war and was posted to I.T.W. at Pembroke College, Cambridge in November 1939. After completing his flying training he went to the No 1 School of Army Co-operation, Old Sarum. He volunteered for Fighter Command, was posted to No 6 - O.T.U. Sutton Bridge in August 1940 and after converting to Hurricanes joined No 151 Squadron at Digby on the 23rd of September 1940. The following day, the 24th of September he collided with another Hurricane during formation practice and made a forced-landing in a paddock at Waddington. He was awarded the D.F.C. on the 16th of February 1945, as a Flight Lieutenant with No 141 Squadron.
As for the supply of weapons , the US were interested only in making money out of any deals , they didn't do it out of kindness or as an act of support to an ally in times of war. They wanted their pound of flesh , as I said the US is only interested in helping itself.
The thing that pisses me off big time is the habit of hollywood stealing the thunder of brits or others and attributing it to americans.
U571 being a perfect example.
An attack by a British destroyer on a German U-boat in the Eastern Mediterranean in October 1942 altered the course of the entire war. The capture of secret German Enigma coding material from U-559, at the cost of the lives of two of HMS Petard's crew, enabled Bletchley Park's codebreakers to crack a new Enigma system introduced to cover a maximum U-boat offensive. After ten critical months with no U-boat signals intelligence available, this was the crucial factor in defeating Hitler's Atlantic U-boat wolf packs before they could starve Britain into defeat in the winter of 1942-3. Had it been possible to release the facts of her triumph at the time, the name of HMS Petard would surely have ranked alongside that of Nelson's Victory in the annals of British history. Because of the top secrecy about Ultra messages that lasted nearly four decades, the Petard's achievement remained unknown, her fame unrecognized. This text is the true story of how HMS Petard attacked and captured U-559 in the darkness of a Mediterranean night. With the use of vivid eyewitness accounts, the author describes how two of her crew swam across to the sinking, abandoned U-boat (ahead of a boarding party in a whaler) went below and passed key signals documents up the conning tower before being trapped when U-559, leaking from damage caused in the Petard's earlier depth charge attacks, sank. Both men were later recommended for posthumous awards of the Victoria Cross but the Admiralty, concerned this might draw unwanted attention from German Intelligence, instead ordered posthumous awards of the George Cross, the highest civilian award for bravery.
http://www.battlefield-site.co.uk/warII_anecdotes.htm
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/2119/
i wish their was another option except yes or no and that is:
"of course"
Hay did you know your country is over there too?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuD MaN