Why are you all so reluctant to consider the possibility that it's possible pot can be addictive?
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Why are you all so reluctant to consider the possibility that it's possible pot can be addictive?
PS here is the physical addiction of cocaine (note its not a normal physical addiction ie no normal withdrawl symptoms just this stuff)
"Cocaine attaches its self to the receptor sites in your brain where the pleasurable neurochemicals (dopamine especially) are stored, they then wash around in your system for a while making you feel high, before being excreted from your body and lost. The net result is that you are left with a shortage of dopamine, without enough dopamine you feel miserable and irritable and in extreme cases can experience what psychologist call adhenia where it is pretty much impossible to feel good about anything."
HE IS RELUCTANT BECAUSE SO FAR YOU ARE THE ONLY EVIDENCE THAT MARIJUANA IS AT ALL PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE (i say "evidence" with a nice big smirk plastered across my face)
You see marijuana as a drug...
I see it as a medicine:)
It is all about perspective.
Because we're god's among men.
Your lack of education is remarkable, but in a way understandable at the bullshit propoganda fed through backward logic. If you really want to make such claims, lets see a little debate on the matter backed by actual scientific studies, not the DEA's drug information page.
Have you not seen how many lawyers, politicians, and people in every single profession out there smoke weed? My sisters fiance smokes huge amounts and he's a high level executive. Mark Emery has one of the most organized and built-up political movements of all time. I personally have maintined a 78%-85% GPA in college throughout the past year, and the only reason I got such good marks was because smoking weed reduced my pain enough to manage the stress of school and being in extreme daily pain.Quote:
marijuana robs us of our ambition.
Overal I can't count how many hugely sucussful people I've seen who smoke weed. I'd also suggest you watch Pen and Teller's "Bullshit" episode on the war on drugs.
You should also read the countless testimony's of people on these boards, including myself, who get inspired to excercise and be active when they smoke pot. The "Abovetheinfluence" steryotype that we smoke pot and lay on a couch staring at the walls blankly is why none of us believe these prohibitionists bullshit, because nobody's seeing the purported consequences of these lyers.
Cannabis and the Brain: A User's Guide by Paul Armentano
e.Peak (31/10/2005) news: science: Study shows marijuana increases brain cell growth
Marijuana impairs memory very mildly to none at all in users with a high tolerance, it's only when you're new to it and have a very low tolerance that the effects on short term memory are more substancial.Quote:
marijuana impairs short-term memory and therefore learning.
Furthermore, the most recent medical concensus has been that the effects on memory are temporary and tend to clear up completely after a month of abstinance. This is because cannabinoids don't do any actual damage to the memory-based neurons, they only block them temporarily and clear out of their own accord over time.
I can personally say that I ACED my world and canadian history exams, which had an insane amount of history to remember, and I spent the whole 2 weeks of study and test writing smoking rediculous amounts of hash. I noticed no impairement in my memory retention whatsoever.
It should also be noted that cannabis has zero neurotoxicity, and one of the lowest physical toxicity levels of any known substance on Earth. It has also been shown to act neuroprotectively against alzheimers and physical trauma, while selectively destroying cancerous cells. And as if that were'nt enough, the supposed detrimental effects on the immune system are looking more and more like a farce. Don't take my word for it, check the science.
Cannabis Freedom Activist Network's Guide To Cannabis Research
Europe: Study: Marijuana Slows Alzheimer's Decline
MARIJUANA MYTHS
cannabisnews.com: Study: Pot Helps Hepatitis Treatment
Almost all the time life quallity and sucess are imparied only because social stigma; such as misinformed parents, workplace and school drug testing, and an unjust judiciary system, force smokers into criminal records, job loss, and denial of education services all because they decided to make a person health/life decision.Quote:
This would not be such a big deal if not for the fact that it is so forgiving that half the people who use it do so all day every day to the extent that it has a profound effect on the quality of life and our potential to be successful.
truth: the Anti-drugwar The "Dangers" of Marijuana
Marijuana As Medicine?:
The Sun Online - News: I'm 120 but my joints are OK
Entrez PubMed
Cannabinoids Research Articles and recent Cannabinoid Abstracts
The so called psychological addiction to marijuana is not a chemical response initiated by THC, but a learned behavioral pattern, an easy defence mechanism to stress which in and of itself relieves emotional stressors, and therefor conditions the person to depend on it when they use it as a crutch.Quote:
Marijuana is addictive. Not just psychologically. I have been addicted physically numerous times, and it is rough. I've been warned about every other physically addictive drug enough that I was cautious enough to avoid anything serious. I wish I could say the same for pot.
It's no different than people who overeat, addict themselves to television, gorge on chocolate, drink alcohol even without addiction, or masturbating excessively. It's all about instant gratificaiton and emotional release, whatever form it takes.
The withdrawl you experienced is rare, and certainly not as even close to as bad as harder drugs like heroin or cocaine. Besides, how does it make sense to not give the safer alternative of cannabis to the people, when the only current legal options are alcohol (one of the few drugs on earth that can kill you from withdrawl), and tobacco (indisputedly one of the most addictive substances out there). The only reason physical (and often psychological) withdrawl occures is because cannabis increases melatonin levels up to 5,000% depending on your tolerance. Melatonin is a very powerful hormone involved in sleep regulation, making you relaxed and tired (this is the cause of "burning out"). It's a very healthy substance with powerful anti-cancer attributes, and your body will inevitably become dependant on cannabis to maintain melatonin levels since it's own melatonin-triggering mechanisms no longer need to produce it themselves. It only takes 3-7 days to get your body used to producing melatonin itself again, and in the meantime you might lose some sleep. This "withdrawl" is no worse than caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, and even sugar (refined sugars can actually cause strong addiction).
Please do. And back it up with some real scientific studies if you please.Quote:
I could go on...
House of Lords - Science and Technology - Ninth Report
Marijuana Health Mythology
Jack Herer - Chapters
Well I don't know about your psych book but I found this within minuets of searching on google:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oppositional P
"At a certain point, c usage ceases to be a voluntary action: this is the onset of addiction. The positive reinforcement of the sensation of euphoria eventually alters the brain so that the use of c is obligatory"
Sounds like a physical addiction to me.
source:
The Neurobiology of Addiction
You're right about one thing. I can't prove that I was ever physically addicted to pot. There are, however, many things that cannot be proven.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
I get the idea you all hate me now and I'm not surprised. I would have reacted the same way years ago
Who said the point was changing his mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by JaggedEdge
We're not just up against this guy here, we're up against our own fucking government.
It doesn't matter if one person out of the millions who smoke finds himself regretting it and under the addictive pull of a mood-altering chemical.
WE all know it's effects, WE all know that marijuana does much more than Impair, that used properly and with respect to one's life, it can elevate almost all aspects of the human expirience.
We also know that the physical addiction of marijuana is slightly disputed, even with the scientific data. I myself find my stomach to be painful in a day of withdrawal, but this is so meaningless to me that I usually drink some water and forget about it.
Personally, I think the withdrawal effects stem from things like binge eating, lowered metabolism from a less active lifestyle (only for those who choose to smoke indica and relax, which is what indica feels best at), and of course in the mind. Sure, the brainchemistry might not be altered enough to cause a normal withdrawal, but I don't think anyone here can argue with the basic concept of Excessive pleasure leading to a decrease of pleasure, and then leveling out. This decrease of pleasure, if only a perceptual thing becuase it's not chemically based, will obviously have psychosomatic effects in someone who's been smoking daily and stops.
I don't hate you I want you to see the light
I second that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 40oz
You are just stupid haha. Anyways, most people KNOW weed doens't do this stuff from experience. Maybe you were using weed as a medicine, and once you stopped having weed, guess what, the illness came back! Anyways I don't think weed really effects my short-term memory at all, and if it does it makes me forget all my little paranoid-anxious thoughts.
haha. physically addicting aye? wow i can garuantee your gonna get proved wrong in just a bit, if not by the time this post shows up
[quote=mrdevious]Your lack of education is remarkable, but in a way understandable at the bullshit propoganda fed through backward logic. If you really want to make such claims, lets see a little debate on the matter backed by actual scientific studies, not the DEA's drug information page.
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This is hilarious.
I have never cited any claim made by the DEA.
I AM A STONER.
I am citing personal experience.
Science is very limited. We can't scientifically prove that all organisms on this planet evolved from extremophiles, but the fossil record clearly indicates it. Technically, we can't prove we exist.
I'm simply trying to provide another perspective among a wealth of people preaching to the choir. In other words, I'm just being oppositional.
lay off the crack pipe buddy
edit : also take that syringe out
also your shit about learning is complete and utter bullshit cause i have very high grades in school atm and i smoke all day evreyday when im not at school , so take your bullshit somewhere else :mad:
this is obviously a troll, why on earth would you go onto a cannabis site and say marijuana is bad?
Hes just trying to get a rise out of you cause he has nothing else to do, dont give it
I just saw your last post.. cannabis does get hyped a bit here as a cure all when you are sick with whatever and a magical substance that enhances everything
You sure were quick to call me stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt the Funk
The illness must have gone away 48 hours later. Strange.
Again:ADDICTION DIFFERS FROM ONE INDIVIDUAL TO THE NEXT
Never get in line if you do not want to.
At any time, you can get off the bus, at any stop and your life will be affected signifigantly.
when you're not at school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Villui
Holy shit, you spelled it out for me. It is not hard to prove that marijuana effect memory and learning. It has been done before.
Notice that I never claimed that marijuana causes chromozomal damage, brain damage, reduces sperm count, or any of the things anti-drug ass-lickers say without thorough evidence, yet I was instantly attacked.
That's not true at all, in fact it gave me the ambition to buy more. . .lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Oppositional P
I know it doesn't effect memory because I can remember the color shirt my girl was wearing the day I asked her out, not to mention the weather, time place, ect. . . And as far as learning goes, is a everyday smoker who goes to Harvard good enough for you (not me).Quote:
marijuana impairs short-term memory and therefore learning. This would not be such a big deal if not for the fact that it is so forgiving that half the people who use it do so all day every day to the extent that it has a profound effect on the quality of life and our potential to be successful.
Yeah I remember that year I quit and all the cold sweats I had, oh wait that never happen. If you feel your addicted stop, if you don't have access to it how the hell are you going to still be stuck on it. Get control of your life for gods sake. . .Quote:
Marijuana is addictive. Not just psychologically. I have been addicted physically numerous times, and it is rough. I've been warned about every other physically addictive drug enough that I was cautious enough to avoid anything serious. I wish I could say the same for pot.
Me too. . .Quote:
I could go on...
It's because of people like this that our lives are so full of crap. . . Go live with Nazi's you want so many rules. . .. .
oh, I got to go, it's time for Carousel. . . . .lol (i hope somebody gets that)
Hey, maybe your mental addiction causes you to get sick? as you have said MANY times... ADDICTION DIFFERS FROM PERSON TO PERSON!
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Originally Posted by Oppositional P
The DEA referrence was me being facetious, if you didn't quite get that. But pretty much every claim you made has been purported by prohibitionists, and you seem to be utilizing a fallable form of reasoning by trying to apply your personal experience, attitude, and responsibility to the general stoner populace.
And please don't tell me that scientific studies hold no validity. Cannabis was made illegal and given insane claims of its detriments because lawmakers went off personal (ignorant) belief rather than credible science. We may not have all the facts, but when multiple studies show a consistant finding such as a total lack of neurotoxocity, it's because researchers followed the proper scientific method through proven procedures backed by consistancy.
now re-examine everything I've been saying with that in mind. I'm trying to help people to be more realistic so that their opinions can be taken more seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by NextLineIsMine
I never said pot was as bad as alcohol or tobacco
[quote=FreeVenice]. And as far as learning goes, is a everyday smoker who goes to Harvard good enough for you (not me).
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smoking once a day ain't shit. "Everyday smoker" is extremely vague.
i don't hate anyone...Quote:
Originally Posted by Oppositional P
you are aggervating me and drivign me to anger, i'll admit that much....
hate is a strong word... i don't even hate the people who made my everyday life in school a literal living hell.... i hate my dad, and that's about it....
like i said, angry and fed up are the words that come to mind.
I agree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
Neurotoxicity is one thing. That's like saying brain damage has never been proven. I agree, but it doesn't matter one bit when it can easily be proven tha pot effects learning
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Originally Posted by Oppositional P
Yeah man I agree, it can effect learning, but I really think those detriments are in more newbie users with lower tolerances. I mean my best friend is a biology, chemstry, and physics major and he smokes like a chimney. And his girlfriend just got her business degree and she's been smoking heavily since she was 13.
Anyway, sorry to go off on you so much, my leg just feels like it's been split open by a hot knife right now and that's not too good for maintaining a good mood. Makes me pretty irritable at times.
Have a good one
Happy toking:jointsmile:
ok, i'm even mor einclined to think you're that same troll we've been having problems with for months....
mr. devious, just basicly, proved you wrong on every aspect, with evidence backed by scientific study, and you're still continuing... only now you seem to be getting more agressive with it....
Personally i am beginning to dislike you... not because of your rediculous arguments (honestly I enjoy them... the whole rant about not being able to prove anything was comedic gold) but because i find you to be extremely patronizing... that's all you're nothing special... just another silly man with a silly complex that makes him say silly things in silly places...
what's to be fed up with? My main objective here is make sure people aren't too certain pot is completely harmless. I hope every one of you is stoned as I type. I wish I could get stoned, but I also wish I had taken pot more serously in my youth. That's really all I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
I don't think it's normal for stoners to have the opportunity to go 5 years without doing anything other than getting stoned. I had that opportunity. Under normal circumstances I agree that pot is virtually harmless, but circumstances aren't always normal. Think about that before you fill some easily impressionable kids head w/ one-sided rhetoric, PLEASE!
If you are having a problem learning I think you better look at alot more aspects of you life besides what you are smoking. . .
...hmmmm no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oppositional P
[quote=slipknotpsycho]
mr. devious, just basicly, proved you wrong on every aspect, with evidence backed by scientific study, QUOTE]
show me. I'm convinced your idea of "scientific" is anything that lines up with what you want to believe.
becuase that doens't seem like your objective at all... if it were you objective, you'd state your opinion and move on, to put the idea out there, not continuing when you're obviously upsetting and angering most everyone who reads this thread....
btw, weed's outta your system within 30-60 days (generally) i was with out it for WELL over a year, with no chance of getting it, yet i still don't come to the same conclusions... a year or five, it doesn't matter.... you're spouting shit that's obviously GOING to (and is) pissing everyone off, and you keep it up.... face it, you're looking for a fight... however i have not a damn thing to do and i've been drinking so i'm more than happy to oblige, although i am growing tired of it...
i'm growing tired of it more or less becuase i think of this as my community and you're pissing everyone off, just like you wouldn't like some guy walking up to you and your friends and pissing them off, i don't like it when you do it here... you wanna spew this neandrethal shit, take it to somewhere that gives a shit....
btw, don't give me this impressionistic shit either, pretty much every 'kid' who's here, has their mind made up already....
to put it bluntly (and more simply to understand since you don't seem to be getting the picture) you're walking into a black community with a loudspeaker and yelling porch monkey....
to continue only proves my point you're one goal is not to spread word, but to piss people off...
I quit several months ago because I had to. I learn like crazy ever since.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
Perhaps it's a coincindence. Certainly correlation doesn't always indicate a cause-effect type relationship. That doesn't mean I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
When have I said anything negative about anyone who posts here that you disagree with? Seems to me like you're trying to pit everyone against me. I've said plenty of positive things about pot and stoners, but you want to make this an us-and-them issue.
a dumb shitty fucking gay ass shit dieting government-supporter?Quote:
Originally Posted by halfassedjediknight
I think he thinks you are a certain person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oppositional P
im kinda high, and i dunno. crazy. :vader1: :trooper:Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho