First time grow KC Brains Skunk #1 & White KC

Took some pictures of the cuttings this morning for you Weedhound as usual uploaded them to the pic gallery. :jointsmile:
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Ive probably made loads of mistakes but I took the cuttings from new growth shots at the bottom of each plant, probably left to much leaf growth on each one. Put them into cups of water labelled for each plant then using another bowl held each in turn under water, made the diagonal cut, dipped them into baby bio's roota liquid & then put it into the rockwool cube. The rockwool is soaked in PH'd water with more water dripped inside the propogater to help raise the humidity. The propogator isn't under direct light at the moment but as I'm looking for root growth rather than plant growth I'm hoping for today anyway the idirect light and the heat of the veg room will do. DIdn't seem to kill them of last night anyway & I am a bit caught out by the timing, will look for some flouro's today.

The only reaction from the plants is they seemed to have taken a serious stretch over night & have now hit the 12 " mark. Really going to have to think about starting flowering. If they can grow to a further 3 times the height my exisitng light probably wouldn't produce decent light at the middle & base of the plants. Unless anyone jumps in with a warning today to say hold off then I am going to switch the timers over tonight.

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Yeehaw those look happy!! They will indeed at LEAST double...more likely triple by the time you are done. Flowering is when you really see some explosive growth.

Your "clone dome' looks good....clones looks happy. :) I'll have to try that cloning thing one day but i'm sure it will be an ugly scene at my house.....slaughtered clones everywhere until I figure it out. ;)

Cheers WH :) thought I might have given them a shock when I saw the stretch in the morning. If I am going to end up large bushes like you have in your log I guess I will need to consider more lights. Will see how it goes once I get them to display the gender.

From what you have said in another log about the slaughter of seedlings ;) a few wilting cuttings would only be a mere bloodbath ;). Seriously you should try it some day the process seems more intimidating than it was in practice & just a few spliffs before the surgery helps steady the shakes & prevent a slasher fest on current babies being grown. :stoned:

If the clones are still looking like that in the dome in a couple of days then I reckon it will have been successful.

Week 5 update the plants have been on 12/12 for 4 days. Still using the 2 part veg nutes as recommended in there instructions. Plants are drinking 5 - 8 ltrs of water every two days from the amount the res level decreases over the same time. Been adding back the same amount with balanced nutes added & ph balanced although the nute PPM on the res seems to still be dropping. They seem pretty hungry so would it be better to make the solution being added heavy in nutes or wuld that run the risk of nute burn before the added solution mixes fully with the res.

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The clones seem to be surviving also although there is not yet any roots showing through the bottom of the rockwool. There is also some yellowing on some of the leaf tips. Any ideas of how to deal with that?

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Wow,those look GREAT! Nice clones too. Your plants have really filled out and look extremely happy. They'll be large bushes in flower all right....good job. :thumbsup:

Thanks WH:jointsmile:

I reckon I will need to add more light but will wait untill I get an idea of how many confirmed females there is.

Do you know what could be causing the yellowing of the leaf tips as it seems to also be happening to the main plants on a couple of fan leaves, there is also a redish purple vaining thas appearing on some of the branches & main stems. There was a PH fluctuation the other day. The nutes PPM dropped quite rapidly from the 679 & is now between 200 -300. If its a deficiency what additives would you recommend.

Since putting them on 12/12 they have been racing each other to the light generally I adjust the chains to a 4" distance during the day & by the next morning the middle plant has grown till the leaves just touch the bulb. This has resulted in some burning on the leaves closest. The tallest plants are 20 " now thats a growth of 8 inches since wednesday.

my plants have not grown that big in 20 days of growth :O they are still pretty small. I wonder what I am doing wrong.

Hi Caduceo

Thats why I was wondering was there a fix for you in that nutes FAQ as when I started my log both of our plants were looking about the same stage, but from your posts somehow your plants have yet to make the full jump into veg phase.

Once I added the very low dose of nutes and got rid of what looked like an N deficiency mine really took of.

Jack could you update my on what nutes you are using, what your ppms are, and all the other cool details?

I know when I went to bloom stage my plants took a big jump and needed some fair increase in their ppms but I also changed over to bloom nutes at the same time. They do alot of growing at this stage so I'm wondering...but I'm not sure because I'm just not familiar with the Vita Link nute....the ph going off can certainly cause an issue.....did the plants have none of that yellowing before that?

If your ppms are dropping then you need more....the plants are eating it....sounds pretty much like what I experienced when going to 12/12.

Cheers Weedhound I'll take the readings & post the info tomorrow as the room is in dark period just now.

The leaves were all clear yesterday but I had a low PH issue between Thurs evening & Friday afternoon when I finally got it balanced back to 5.8 - 6.0. It was high at 6.6 on Thurs morning so when I added back the water I used a 1/3 of a ml PH down from past experience this should have been the right amount but by the afternoon the PH was down to 4.2. I use plain water to bring my PH levels back up which took an extra 3ltr.

Will check in with the rest tomorrow & see if I can get a picture without the HPS on.

Yes that sounds about right.....keep a very close eye on your ph....the end all in hydro. :thumbsup: Once the plants have stabilized ph wise you can start upping your nutes....go slow and watch the ph. If the ph starts to rise quickly then you've put in too many nutes but if they are snarfing down the number you probably won't have a problem with it.

Morning WH thanks for the help.

Checked the manufacturer link on the nute bottles of Vita Link which is HydroGarden.com. From a general google search the nutes seem to be well regarded. I noticed though that the Vita Link Buddy is an additive not a general nute so I currently don't have any bloom nutes so will have to get some.

The PH this morning was slightly down again at 5.6 and the nute PPM's were 216. Added back another 4 ltrs with .2 ml approx PH Down, that should balance out the water being added with the slightly low PH of the res & I will check again in a couple of hours to confirm this. Added 15 ml of each of the A + B nutes, this is 3 ml more than advised for the 4 ltrs so maybe this will bring the overall PPM's back up a bit.

This is the burning caused I think from the light being to close which again the middle plant was about touching this morning. Have lifted it to 6" above & will try to keep it there. At this point I can hold me hand under without feeling it to hot.

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These are the pics of the yellowing tips. From the Nute FAQ this could be a few things including a PH imbalance I think.

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I noticed from the pic you posted WH at

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That a couple of your own branches are showing the same reddish purple is this something you have dealt with or quite normal.

You have a good eye Jack...I would say in those plants it isn't normal but is something caused by my rootbound issues where certain roots can't uptake the nutes as normal. In some plants the purple stems ARE normal but usually it's pretty consistent throughout the plant and in that photo you can see that part of the stem is green and part of it purple-red rather than evenly colored and not the same with each stem of the plant. Some are green and some aren't. Also towards the end of a plants life it will start pulling stored nutes in the plant and using them to flower with with they need the most energy ....especially with the root issue (groan).

You plants look very happy aside from the burned spots there.....keep that light back. :)

Thanks Weedhound :) but more likely because I drool over the pictures of buds on the site for hours:S5:

The reddish on my doesn't look drastic but it was similar as when they were beanlings & perked up after a low dose of nutes.

The Nute FAQ has it down as either and N or phosphorus deficiency if anything so hoping its a side effect of the overall nute PPM's dropping sharply and as I bring it back up it will clear.

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Yes it should....watch your ph.

I love looking at all the gorgeous buds on this site too. :D

Bit of an update on flowering. All beginning to show although a few yet don't look definitive although some are looking male to me. The photos are very close up as none of the buds or balls shown are bigger than 1 mm.

Still not letting me add phto's here even though I have the required 50 posts so still have to use the log gallery http://boards.cannabis.com/cannabis-...ml#post1453965

I havent added copies here as in order to see the flowering it needs the full size image which would make this page stretch to much.

Weekly update plants are now 6 weeks old & have been on 12/12 for 10 days.

Looks like they have all showed there sex now & these ones look like the females.

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KC2
S1D
S1A

Sorry the pic of KC2 doesn't show the pistils as clear as possible but there does appear to be pistils coming fom the nodes on the small new shoots but not yet at the nodes joining the main stem.

These ones look like the males or appear to have a bunch of coconuts at the nodes anyway.

Apologies for the poor focus on KC1.

If you can confirm that these are males WH I'll chop them down ASAP. If I chop them can I leave the rockwool block & roots in the tray untill the next res change or do I need to remove them straight away. I was also thinking of shifting the females about a bit on the tray to get them right under the light.

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KC1
KC3
S1B
S1C

Ok the first male photo I can't tell...too blurry. The other 3 are definitely male. Get them out like...yesterday. I'd spray them gently down with water when you remove them from the room to prevent any possible pollen from getting to your females. They seem in pretty darn good shape for 10 days if you know what I mean. :eek:

In your female pics again in the first one I can't be sure but the other two are definitely female. :thumbsup:

depends on strain & where you are you are at in your grow. i usually use my pen as a gauge of how much nutrient plants are taking from solution. from there i adjust accordingly

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They seem in pretty darn good shape for 10 days if you know what I mean. :eek:

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LOL Guess thats why the ladies have been flashing their pistils at them for the last couple of days. :giggity:

Choped down the males & gave them a good misting using a spray can. It doesn't quite look the full hedge in the room anymore & I can see now where having that many plants has caused them to stretch a bit during this flowering stage especially with S1C hogging the limelight (insert just like a male comments here :jointsmile:). Tried lifting out one of the males rockwool blocks but its pretty well stuck to the spreader mat. Although I could use a knife to cut out the sections where they are I don't think I will be able to move the ladies around :(

Will the Cannazym cope with the roots dying or is it likely to cause rot problems.

Sorry about the cuople of fuzzy images I have a nerve thing that makes pics a bit of hit & hope.

I use the cannazym and really like it....I think it will help for you as well. A friend of mine has large buckets that she uses and she plants a few plants in each bucket.....one is always a male and she just cuts it at the stem and leaves the roots also. Haven't seen her have a problem with it but I'd keep an eye.

You asked about topping in another thread...I'm sure you are aware that since you have turned them to 12/12 no topping now. Has to be done in the veg cycle. Or at least that's the way I've always learned it I am going to top mine in a few days and I will take photos as you asked but keep in mind my camera sucks so i won't be able to get real close.....but should be able to show you what I do. :) It's very simple and does help keep your plant shorter and increase the yield. You might run a search on FIM technique and LST technique on the forums as well. Those are two other things you can do to increase the yield on your plants. LST you may even want to do with the ones you have now.....it can be done at any time. ;)

I'll have a look at the roots dailly & if I see any browning & slime affecting the existing females I'll use a pallet knife to slice out the 4 male rockwool blocks.

That was in your grow log some good info there :thumbsup: & I regularly read it although I don't have the experience to comment much yet. Will be good to see how you go about the topping & I'll do those searches.

It was for next grow of those clones I took that I am thinking about trying it out. I'll probably just grow these ones straight to get the idea of how they grow. But if I try LST in an NFT tray I was thinking there might be problems with the rockwool block trying to tip over. Bit more confidence & I'll give all these techniques a bash.

All good things come with time......you're doing very well so I'm sure you'll do fine with some new techniques....seems to me you study up before you attempt something rather than just do it and then discover you've done it wrong....that's definitely the way to go imo. :jointsmile:

Week 7 update 17 days in flower, not the most rapid change Ive seen during the grow. Plants are now on full bloom nutrients with PPM's of 810 measured today. I'm really hoping S1A stops growing in height soon as its about 4' tall now.:wtf:

The Pic order is:

Pic 1 & 2 = KC2
Pic 2 = S1D
Pic 3 = S1A

Got a few doubts KC2 might be a hermie since pic 2 shows what might be male, but if she is then its not turned that way but been so since the start of flowering. Although the bits on her that look male don't really resemble the clusters of balls that was on the male plants. Don't really want to kill her as its the last one I have of that strain.:(

Going to start using the bud additive next wednesday.

Other things I am looking at getting are:

400W or 600W additional light not sure the 250W is enough light.
Some Canna PK 13/14 & Canna Boost in order to boost the buds.

Any thoughts on whether these will be worthwhile additions to my set-up.

Couldn't get a super look at photo two..but I do see what you mean so keep a good eye there as it could be male nanners; I'm just not sure.

Jack your curled leaf edges kind of concern me.....are you having heat issues in your room?

More light....always better imo... the only problem is more HID light.....more heat. I haven't used those cannazym products so can't help you with those.

At the top of the plants there is a heat issue I think WH from them being to close:(, but its getting to the point where I will need to remove the shelf the light is hanging from and add some wood straps to the ceiling in order to get the light further away. I have the temp probe hanging about a third of the way from the top of the plant and the temp is 79. Thats why I was thinking maybe the 600W and get the light further away from the top of the plant. I think that will keep the temps about the same within the room in general where is not directly beneath the light. I have put a hole in the ceiling but not got the inline fan yet because I would have to have it wire in professionally & I am also thinking of maybe getting a grow tent. If I got the tent I could add things like the inline fan & carbon filters without needing an electrician to run wiring through the attic insulation.

Yea I'm also concerned there nanners :( next time might have better pics. There seems to be only a few nodes where they are & apart from one node which has two it seems to be only one at each point. I was thinking maybe give them a day or two & if nothing like pistils show then pick them all off, keeping doing so to any others that appear. If I then harvest it first & comparitivly early in the cycle I might manage to avoid any male flowers popping their pollen everywhere. With the NFT system its not possible to move the plant so its either try the above or kill it.:chainsaw::sadcrying

I'm bidding on some 600W so either get that or another one, but I'll leave the additives for a couple of weeks & if I'm feeling well off or happy because KC2 has defnitely decided to not go pre-op :) I'll get them then.

Couple of pics of the ladies in my closet :). S1A is a bit of a tall girl :jointsmile:

They look very good jack. Any more hermie looking issues?

I'm going to go back and read, but in case you didn't say. How long were those under Veg. growth?

Thanks WH, I picked of all the suspected bits, when I poped them later in another room they simply had white stringy bits in them that could have been pistils. There is a couple of bits on some of the branch flowers that could be either way so watching what happens with them. Would it be normal if it did hermie to grow female flowers & males nanners in the same branch node? I'm feeling confident enough with KC2 that I have ordered those Canna additives I mentioned. They are meant to increase bud mass and enhance the end flavour.

I'll see if I can get some better pics.

Without looking back myself FreeVenice they took 2 weeks to get out of beanling phase, then I vegged for 3 weeks untill they were five weeks old. I was going to leave them a bit longer but the average height was already a foot. If you look at the older pics when there was seven in there it was a bit of a hedge. However when I switched over from the MH to HPS bulb it was a race each day to see which plant could touch the bulb. I wouldn't put that many in my set-up again but got caught out with a 100% germination rate & all but the NL's survived the propogator.

wow very nice grow. but what is in the coke bottels. Is that co2 or somthin.

Thanx HydroCannabis, yes thats an adaption of a link I found on here, the only thing that was wrong in the info was the claim Co2 is lighter than air. All the info I have read otherwise states Co2 is heavier than air so thats why I hang them. Basically you pierce holes in the top of the bottle tops & make your Co2 mix up in the bottle. You have to watch the mix strength & don't hang them directly over the plants as there is a risk of frothing.

There is a lot of good pro & con points regarding Co2 on threads here in the forums, but the only thing I can say for sure from experience of what I have seen. Is that the Co2 seems prevent the room heating up as quickly. I know this doesn't make sense with regard to the greenhouse gasses debate, but I know my temps stay lower when I am using the Co2.

Great job, those things are going to be so big. . . do you plan on adding more light?

Cheers FreeVenice, I have had good help along the way from Weedhound & Dusto so props to them. :thumbsup:

I bought a 600W HPS on ebay the other night while on a spree so I am waiting for that to arrive. Going to start by switching the light over to the 600W & monitor my temps, if they stay low enough I will add the 250W back in giving a total of 850W HPS. If I can't add the 250W back in then the 600W on its own should be a decent increase.

An issue I have at the moment is due to the height of S1A aka (Big Bessie) I can't slide the NFT tak in and out the closet to chenge the res. Is it all right to pump out as much as possible then add back water conditioned on a per 5ltr bottle basis?

How much water will be left that you can't get to? That's usually what I do with my waterfarms...pump the extra out.... and there is always about an inch that is left....I never worry about it. I do use h202 though every other day to fight of pythium, algae etc so that may help keep the older water from causing problems in my setup....just guessing.

That would be about what I'm left with or maybe sligthly less. I can't use any H2O2 product now as I have started with the Canna Boost which arrived today. It has a warning not to use H2O2, I think because it already contains it maybe. I haven't ever seen algae build up in my tank, but I reckoned that was because I sealed it from light & have an air pump in it. It has always been completely changed at max every 10 days so not sure how it will play with old water.

I use the cannazym for the roots and it says the same thing about the h202....something about beneficial bacteria or something....don't ask me.

I don't think I would worry about a small amount of older water....like i say there is always some in mine....even when changing over to bloom nutes or whatever and I've never had a problem. (knock on wood :) )