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Welcome to the Family of every other State that has banned smoking in public places!
in oklahoma they made a breath easy law so now you cant smoke in any restraunt and there trying to make it apply for bars to. thank God I dont live there no more
You can thank the Nazi's, they were the first to ban smoking.
this isn't just a chicago ban, this is going to be a statewide ban, which is insane, we still got time though, when would it go into effect, next year? did blago sign it yet? i guess i don't exactly know what the hells going on, i've read that he will sign it though...if he hasn't already...jake, why are you preaching about a private business owner's rights but excluding restaurants? that just completely contradicts itself, i can understand actual public places, but really, think about it, is your property even really yours anymore? local governments can steal your property and pay you what they want if they can get more tax dollars from a better offer, this kind of thing is happening more and more, things are getting crazy, there will be a national smoking ban in time, unless we do something, but combating a smoking ban goes a lot deeper than just trying to stop it, this chipping away at a free society penetrates everything, i just want to live in a completely free society where the market dictates everything, ethical business laws are important to keep everyone honest, other than that, let the market dictate what's what. there must be standards...the government should just keep their nose out of people's lives, do what the founding fathers actually intended america to be, except that equality means all of humanity, in a free society, opening a restaurant to serve great food and allow your guests to have a smoke, that should be illegal? that just seems so wrong, the market will dictate smoking and non smoking private businesses that have guests on their own property. tax dollar funded establishments...fine...ban it, private property? do any of you understand that our legalization movement really should be about personal freedom? and not the science of cannabis? a god given plant should be free, i don't care what this plant does, a completely natural plant on earth cannot be banned, and you prohibitionists...realize that your approach to a tobacco ban parralells a ban on cannabis, you have a view of personal freedom but then support blanket laws on people that only limit personal freedoms, creating your own business whatever it may be, privately owned, you should be allowed to set the rules...smoking is not an act that you can compare to murder, rape, theft, etc. these are the things our government should go after, these distractions are really keeping us away from our real problems...let's go after smokers, i just can't understand people, let's just keep telling people how to live their lives, i'm a bit buzzed, oh well, i'm done ranting, good day.
It's interesting to see the situation in different countries and sides in the world. Here in Europe, increasingly smokers are being put aside because of the smell and the raised awareness that the average joe/jane now has about what tobacco smoke really does. I can only talk about what I see and I'm told, and I've had this chat with some friends from various countries.
I totally agree with a free, individual-oriented society where the government can't tell you what you can or cannot do with your body or your property.
But I also agree with an informed society. Whenever I watch a parent smoking with his baby next to him I just feel like killing him. One could argue the parent has the right to do it, it's his cig (he paid for it) and his child, but any conscious human being should object that.. smoker or not.
Not sure what the big deal is really, If you want to commit suicide smoking cigarettes more power to ya, hell I'm a smoker myself, but for all the non smokers, they don't want to breathe your poison... The shit should be outlawed just like alcohol, it's just the government makes too much cash off all of us dying of Lung cancer and failing livers to give two shits... maybe even the 400k Americans dropping dead from being smokers every year might be doing its part to cut down on over population?
I would agree if it wasn't poison...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob the Awesome
I would like to go one step further now and ban bars altogether... it promotes drinking and driving,,,if the country is going to have such harsh drinking and driving laws why allow the promotion of it??? That is something I could never understand all bars have roads that lead to them... today just 2 drinks can make you blow illegal...
Lets just think like this.... If we don't make it tougher to smoke and make laws stopping it we are essentially saying it is ok to smoke telling our youth that it is not bad... Not making it tougher is just keeping the ignorance alive...
washington banned smoking indoors and within 25' of doors or opening windows. how gay is that?
that sucks
Smoking bans are undemocratic. It is not a public health issue, it is a property rights issue.
Well the ban has taken place in most areas, so why bitch? It's over, nobody wants to smell ya stanky ass butts in a little spot. It's done, it's over, you're wrong, you lost.
Wow, I just took what you said and imagined someone talking about cannabis and not tobacco. Do you understand how hypocritical this sounds? The government isn't in place to tell people what is morally right and wrong and to make decisions for our youth. It's in place to keep order and protect every citizen's rights, which right now it seems to be failing at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skink
Again, I imagine someone saying this about cannabis. And no, I'm not wrong. I'm using the same thought that brought about the U.S. Constitution, the ideas of what property rights are. I don't know what your ideological basis is but classic liberalism sure beats the hell out of it, I know that.Quote:
Well the ban has taken place in most areas, so why bitch? It's over, nobody wants to smell ya stanky ass butts in a little spot. It's done, it's over, you're wrong, you lost.
You shouldn't smoke near someone who does not like it, no matter what you are smoking. If a bizz is ok with smoke and you are not, don't go there. It's hard when you really think about it though, because you have to think about all the people who work at the place. A stripper doesn't want to smell smoke as she dances, shes breathing hard why the hell would you want smoke in your face. Same for waitresses/bar keeps/and anyone else that is there to make your stay more plesent. Why be a dick, smoke out side. . .
I'm sick of people crying about smoking indoors, it's not your place to tell someone what they get to breath. It's not hard to get off your ass and go outside, it's courtesy, and something that should be determined by the owner. . .
I'm just saying, you smoke around me in a closed area, even if I smoke, you are being a rude prick, and deserve a kickin. Keep your life your life, that's all there is to it. There should be smoking bars, just like there is oxygen bars. . .lol
Another thing is, I hate how people say their addicted, I understand your body becomes use to the smoke. But the problem isn't that. Get some self control and quit if you want to quit. All you are "Addicted" to is the process, get over yourself and you can get over it. I smoked cigs all through high school and quit right after graduation. Wasn't hard at all just stopped, I didn't cry about how much I needed it, and I sure didn't belive all the bull about needing a patch or some crap to help me. If you don't have the will to stop smoking, what else can't you do. . .
were talking about a poison not butter cream frosting... Ignorant people will never understand this is why someone has to step in...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob the Awesome