The link I posted is actually quite a good example of theistic evolution in practice. :3 (The compatibility of religious teachings with scientific ones).
And, just out of curiosity... do you accept anything as 100% fact? And if so, what?
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The link I posted is actually quite a good example of theistic evolution in practice. :3 (The compatibility of religious teachings with scientific ones).
And, just out of curiosity... do you accept anything as 100% fact? And if so, what?
Theory = A Idea that is supported by facts and logic
A Theory is not a irational idea or guess its a scientific idea. Einstiens Famouse eqaution e=mc2 is a theory. But we all know Mass and energy are the same in terms and logic ( MATH ) proves it. Yes evolution is a theory but it is not a uneducated guess and is prob true up to 95%
And how do u think u can get a cold more the once..... and why do u think we cant cure any viruses........ THEY EVOLVED
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Originally Posted by afghooey
o sure, mostly math and your basic physics and things of that sort....and the fact that i look out my window and i see a buliding, i know the buliding is there and everything of that sort
honestly, i still have beliefs though, just because something isnt proven in my opinion doesnt mean i do not, will not, or can not believe in it.....the point im stressing is that there are certain things which you like to call science, that i believe takes some faith to believe....any teacher or professor ive ever had in bio, physics, chemistry, any class u name it has taught evolution as a theory...something that is possible, even probable, but yet not accpeted 100% in the scientific community....sure, its accepted widely as the most logical theory as to how we got here, but it isnt accepted as a pure fact
im just very skeptical....i have my beliefs (theistic evolution for example) and even though i do believe in them, im wise enough to realize that i may be incorrect and another theory is possible...thats all
i think its unwise to just accept things the way they are just because someone says so or it backs ur personal belief, but u have to understand im not biased towards any group of people.....i think the athiest who accepts evolution as 100% fact is just as unwise as the born again who accepts genesis or any other part of the bible for that matter as 100% fact....it just appears like im playing devils advocate, well frankly because i am, and its just the audience im dealing with
god said let us make man in are own inmage, not in form, but that manQuote:
Originally Posted by Stemis516
would have a living soul, a eternal soul, animals do not.
thanks but id rather hear and athiests response
you mean you would rather hear what YOU want to hear.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemis516
actually if uve been reading my posts, i happen to agree with you on most things, and im not an athiest
but nice try
Actually, there are other animal species that exhibit great intelligence. Whales and dolphins are among the best examples. The only reason that they haven't advanced technologically is because they have had no evolutionary need to do so (and because they don't have opposable thumbs). But they have relatively complex language and behaviors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemis516
Elephants are another example. They, too, have a complex language, communicating through low-frequency infrasound that can't be picked up by human ears. They have been shown to exhibit many emotions including joy, fear, and even grief and mourning over the death of family members (which would implicate that they also experience love). Other primates, specifically the great apes, have shown such signs of intelligence, as well.
To say that humans are the only intelligent beings on this planet seems a bit egocentric, IMO.
Fact: Knowledge or information based on real occurrences...
We are basing evolution on the real occurrences we have documented, fossils, DNA evidence they all show this phenomenon we call evolution has and is occurring. Therefore, based on the definition of the word, evolution is a fact. Although we can never know for sure if thats the real definition of fact... god might have some super secret definition for it... probably along the lines of "Fact: totally made up bullshit that gets the population to act in accordance with a completely outdated and fucked up set of ethics and morals"
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Well Said, Possumdance
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Originally Posted by afghooey
thats fair but how can u possibly justify setting the intelligence we have equal to the intelligence of monkeys, whales, dolphins or whatever...sure the examples you listed show that certain animals, probably most animals, have some form of intelligence, i never meant to say they had none at all but its clear that on some level they are far below humans and evolution doesnt explain it because it would make alot more sense under evolution if more than 1 species progressed as much as we have
and ya humans may not be the only intelligent beings, but we certainly are by far the most intelligent...so are u just saying we lucked out because we evolved first??? im curious as to how evolution attempts to explain this and human nature
Though it's impossible to know the exact events that lead to the evolution of human intelligence (evidence like fossils don't really leave us many clues in this area), one could speculate that it was our specific physiology that lead to our becoming more intelligent, probably in combination with environmental factors such as climate change (intelligence can be an important key to adaptation).
There are other theories too, such as that there is a 'critical mass' of neurons which must be acheived in order for an animal to reach a human-like level of consciousness. If that's the case, then other mammals simply haven't had an evolutionary need to meet this critical mass, but that doesn't mean that the potential isn't there.
Then to be honest you should really learn more about it rather than trying to debate with people over a topic you don't understand fully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemis516
Earlier on you called me uneducated (by default) as I stated evolution was fact - but to be honest I am degree educated in Genetics and Microbiology so that's not really accurate ;). I wouldn't normally bring that up but this thread has encouraged me to think differently and be blunt about a few things.
I'm sort of surprised and a bit alarmed at the sort of responses these threads get - here in the UK the scientific culture is very different and also the general mentality towards issues of religion are very much subdued. The fact this thread is even in "Spirituality" is kind of ironic, but anyway.
From age 15 in the UK when we first started learning this in biology we also discussed creationism and earler "ideas" of how evolution worked e.g. "Are giraffes tall because they stretch a lot" that kind of stuff. We picked at the flaws in Darwins theory, how things have changed and how intelligent design fits in. We really had a pretty holistic approach - after considering all the arguments evoltion comes up trumps and doesn't require faith.
What you are really debating is the origin of life on this planet and NOT evolution. That is a whole different story. I personally think its time that evolution was just accepted in the U.S as the evidence is overwhelming and really there is no logical justification to teach creationism as a "theory" or masquerade it as science in any way. I would lose my job before teaching crap like that.
Well a few species DID evolve alongside us. The Neanderthal would be a good example. Looking at the fossil record we most likely out competed them for food, shelter and were better hunters. We may even have killed them off - literally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stemis516
Eating meat made a big difference to our brain development and to be honest we were driven like any species to develop faster. Natural selection will always favour the adaptive intelligent organism that's pretty obvious.
We didn't just "luck out" we are the result of a 4.6billion year old planet supporting life.
Ahhhhh. the discovery of early humanoids. Science 1 / religion 0
stemis...
very true... micro cannot be argued since we see it and it simply follows logic... stronger genes eventually will prevail.
macro is another story... science does not claim to know how complex life as we know it began. go check it out at the Museum of Natural History's "Walk the Big Bang" exhibit... just was there the other day.
This question should be for Delta9. I don't know what he meant. He's the one who brought it up earlier in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
What scientific proof is there that the LORD is not coming back? If he said it, shall it not come to pass?
"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it."
evolution, deals with the changes that one OBSERVES in animals. THESE changes are declared "facts" due to the fact that one can SEE differences. But when we take into account that anything we perceive and would declare to be a "living, solid thing" is just energy being processed and projected into the back of the brain indicates that SEEING is not proof of anything. Quantum physics has provided evidence to support that "PHYSICAL" things don't exist, which would make any transformation done "by the eyes" a result of a change from the brain....
so if you can BELIEVE in evolution, your brain will surely attract the infinite possibilities in nothingness to provide you a PICTURE of "evolution".
no insult intendedQuote:
Originally Posted by Stemis516
No, with science you put bits and pieces together by gathering evidence and making experiments that yield predictable results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pass That Shit
With religion you believe because you were told to, and refer back to ${HOLY_BOOK} to hold all your beliefs true.
Not quite the same thing.
Really?? Well, though im not a mathematic, i have enough knowledge in math and would like very much too see such demonstration.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper666
Theorem:
Starting from x+0=x, x.1=x, x+y=y+x, ...
Proof:
...
... (lots of math here)
...
So, we conclude the outside world is real. Q.E.D.
Would???
I dont think so... for one, our senses are pretty limited. For example, our vision only can see a small strip of the electromagnetic spectrum, that we call light and colors. But there is a large range of light (or rather electromagnetical waves), like ultra-violet, infra-red, x-ray, radio waves, etc, we cant see. And they are as part of the world as the colors are. So, even the vision of the perfectest people is a fragmented vision. We see only a very small part of the world. Thus we sould not trust so much in this fragmented vision, as if it were the vision of everything thats exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper666
Our perception of the world is heavily limited by our senses and our mind, so what we see as "the world" in only the very small part of it that was filtered and understood by our mind. Not the world itself.
Note that I gave a materialistic argument above. I only talked about "physical" things.
But the quote below goes even further:
And I agree completly.Quote:
Originally Posted by xblackdogx
We were just put here. Atlantis was one of 3 of the first human civilizations which was around during the time of the dinosaurs, Atlantis was built in the water because of the dinosaurs. I still dont believe we were just put here, but thats what I heard from a good resource.