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i believe in evolution and i aslo believe in GodQuote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
anything and everything was created by God
i believe God planted the seed's of all creation
he also created us perfect
God gave us the ability 2 make decision's tho
now man has been destroying man ever since the beggining
so between incest, drug's, hate, etc.
what chance does 1 have (so it seem's)
keeping the faith and trusting in a 1 true God is where it's at (it's a chance i will take)
to hate anything is foolish, but to hate an imaginary creature is a complete waste of time and effort. i merely find it rather sad and a bit childish for so many to expend so much energy in the pursuit of such fairy tales and i find it pathetic and extremely disappointing that so many believers use their faith to escape the responsibility for their own lives.
to do right because it is right is a sign of an enlightened being. to do right because an invisible man in the sky will punish you if you don't is a sign of a fear filled primitive.
u know:Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
with opinion's like this the world would b a very miserable place 2 live
what's it like 2 b so miserable, and hateful
may God have mercy on ur soul
honestly? I wouldn't even know where to start. Its fantastic. Before you knock it, you should try it yourself...Quote:
Originally Posted by mamma puffpuff420
And failing that, you could realise that you lose your grasp on truth whenever you interpret something literally. Maybe. I don't know. Thanks for being such a shining beacon of love and understanding in these dark times though, for real.
It's not God that is hated it's all the people telling you to do what they sayh or God is going to kick our ass. . .their crazy
jesus said I came not to judge the world, but to save it.
Jesus said a lot of things. And then he cursed a fig tree as I recall.
So, I don't know, take it all with a grain of salt I suppose.
ok i dunno what's going on, but this is the third thread i coudl have SWORN i posted (And reread said post for accuracy) in....
i don't believe in god first and foremost, but if i were to be shown he is real.... i'd hate him for everythign he made me, and everyone i care about endure for pointless reasons.... i'll spare the details, but there is no need for any of the shit me and my loved ones have gone through... gods will, and all that bullshit? make up your mind, either he's an all wise, all knowing, all caring god, or he doesn't give a shit...
did a rather shoddy job of it, didn't he.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
And whats with the predetermined destination, if God has your whole life set in stone for you, why the hell would you even want to get out of bed. . . If their is a god, I don't think they are just setting up dominos. I think he might of made the first forms of life, but I bet human being surprized the fuck out of God. . .
i've never actually considered that....Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeVenice
but then again, fi tthat's to be true, then the god every religion knows is false.... becuase first and foremost... god is ALL KNOWING so he'd of known what his creation was going to become...
Thats why I belive in a self sufficient spiritual life, it's all about the state of mind you put yourself in. None of this what god wants us to be doing stuff, none of that for the greater good crap. Just taking care of you and yours, and respecting other peoples space. There is no reason you should live your life in fear, you should not think about how and who god is going to punish. I miss the Wild West. . . . .sure there were crooks, but there was a gentlmen law. . . .
Seriously though, if you were to live in any time under any religous rule when and where would it be??? Is there even a time you think is worth seeing. . . Religon is nothing but bad news no matter who is preaching. Me personally I would go back to the 1700's and live with Native Americans. There life was perfect in my eyes, at least till God showed up. I would go back in time and help them fight off any settlers. . .
LOL, they are false, or should I say fictional?Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
You got to think about it, Are you going to belive that a man heard the voice while he was up in a mountain when everyone was below? or do we belive that the book fell from the sky? or even that Jesus designed the perfect pyramid scheme? I'm sorry people are hard enough to trust as it is, and I'm suppost to follow a book that was writen by a guy I never met, saw, heard, or know anything about other than what they told you about themself. . . . that's an on-line predator in this day and age. . .lol
People do not hate "god", they hate religion because it endorses ignorance. Also, most people do not hold a grudge against the eastern "religions", but are rather pissed off at the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) because their priests use religion to fulfill their egos and desires, causing suffering unto others.
I don't hate God.
I just hate the image of God that people have come to accept without question.
there r some good point's 2 ponder here
but im with jdmarcus 59
i didnt use 2 believe in God
but i have decided 2 change my way of thinking, and my life has changed dramaticly(4 the better)
i believe God created us all perfect
man is destroying man
drug's, incest and other thing's have a part in our self destruction
like i have said b 4, God gave us all the abiliy 2 make decision's
when eve took that bit of the apple, it was the beginingg of the end 4 mankind
so all he can do with this is 2 just sit back and let us destroy ourselves and everything around us
and we just keep on doing it
so the only 1 that can change me ,is me
i chose 2 belive in God
my life is just better all around
there is no1 in this world that can change us but ourselve's
none of us have the rite 2 judge eachother
but we do need 2 respect each other's opinion's
what a wonderful world this would b if we all did this
God will b the judge in the end
God didn't create us all perfect. The most I'll allow for is god created some bacteria that happened to evolve through countless generations.
Man is destroying man, because evolution is not a finished process. Man is continuing to outgrow his previous limitations and always this seems a painful, tearing process.
The apple was the beginning of the beginning. And the end of man will be the beginning of something new in turn.
In short, I think you've got it all wrong... Man is the father of god, not the other way around...
It depends on what God you're talking about. If you're talking about the God of the Bible, that is truly an abominable creature. As Richard Dawkins so succinctly put it in his excellent book The God Delusion:
If this being were truly real, I would have to hate it. His commands to the Jews to slaughter the Untermenschen of their Lebensraum is morally indistinguishable from Hitler's command to invade Poland for the good of the Germans.Quote:
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
The God of the New Testament (personified in Jesus) is just a pussy. He doesn't seem to realize that sometimes you have to fight for good, instead promoting unwavering pacifism. He acts like the moral beacon of humanity, yet none of his moral ideas are original. The Golden Rule is just common sense; pretty much everybody agrees that being nice is a good thing. He could have easily promoted feminism or the abolition of slavery or tolerance for homosexuals or democracy, but these moral ideas were way past the thinking of first century Judaea, so nothing of the sort is found in Jesus. I can't really say I hate the Jesus character of the New Testament, but I think he is rather naïve and unoriginal.
The God of the Qur'an has similar problems to the God of the Old Testament. If that God exists, and it hates women and homosexuals and non-believers with the fierceness portrayed in the Qur'an, then it is worthy of my hatred in return.
There are some religious figures that I can dig, though, even though they have been mythologized to a large extent. The Buddha, Laozi and Kongfuzi, for example, had a lot of good non-intuitive ideas that I think can really help someone lead a happier life. They're not infallible of course, but they provide a lot of constructive food for thought.
It seems to me that everybody needs something or someone to hate God whether he exists or not is just an easy target, if he exists then being the good sort of bloke he is supposed to be then he will forgive you for hating him. If he does not exist then there is no harm done on your part.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
Hope you understand what I'm getting at.
Cheers
NCM
Just thinking about how delicate an herb plant is, and how easy it is for us to just screw up shows the intricacy of our life on Earth. It is a very delicate balance, and evolution fails to explain how atleast 30 physical constants ( gravity, weak and strong nuclear force, electromagnetic force, magnetic force) are so finely tuned. Physicists have compared the range of what gravity could have been to a ruler stretched billions of lightyears across the universe divided into inches. And gravity is on an inch mark somewhere on that ruler, if you were to move the coefficient of gravity an inch either way life couldn't exist. Random mutation accounts for none of this, and even the Big Bang in a roundabout way disproves itself. The red shift in our galaxy shows us there is a rate at which the universe expands ( known as the cosmological rate ) this rate in itself is finely tuned, if it were altered 1/ 1000 trillionth life would be impossible. Too fast matter is too thin, too slow too compact. God has shown himself to you in the intricacy of our planet, we are therefore held accountable for our actions. God is a just judge, and a just judge wouldn't forgive those guilty, someone had to pay the price, and that someone was Yeshua ( Jesus ) the Messiah spoken of in prophecy 1000 years before his birth. Psalms 22:16-18 ( penman was King David around 1000 B.C )16For [like a pack of] dogs they have encompassed me; a company of evildoers has encircled me, they pierced my hands and my feet.(G)
17I can count all my bones; [the evildoers] gaze at me.(H)
18They part my clothing among them and cast lots for my raiment (a long, shirtlike garment, a seamless undertunic).(I))
He prophecies the Christ will have pierced hands ( crucifixion wasn't around in 1000 B.C. ) He would not have a broken bone ( in Roman crucifixion it was routine to break the legs to ensure the prisoner was dead, but Jesus' bones were not broken because the gaurds knew he couldn't have lived through the flogging and crucifixion), and also his clothes being gambled for is another prophecy. Jah Bless and may all come into a relationship with Yeshua eternally.
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Originally Posted by Exodus_herbman
Evolution is about biological organisms.
You need to shift point of view and consider the following:
- Life as we know it wouldn't be possible without these constants. Therefore, we only exist because the constants happened to be so.
- The constants could be different and life would either be completely different or not exist at all. Either way, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
In short: They are not "magically" tuned. The simple fact that they are right for us allow us to live. If they weren't, then you and me wouldn't be here. There is nothing magic or "designed" there.
Do you understand my point ? You are saying the constants are tuned for us, when in fact, we are tuned for these constants. Because we evolved in an universe with them. Same as going into space brings us several problems (muscle atrophy, bone loss, nausea, headaches, etc) -- we're earth creatures who didn't evolve in space.
As for the remaining of your text, it's mostly incorrect. Gravity is one of the weakest forces around, by the way.
And, there isn't a (fixed) rate at which the universe expands. Current scientific consensus is that it's expanding yes, but at an ever increasing rate. The why's of that are currently unaccountable, but work is being done on it. That invalidates the rest of your text.
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pink_Floyd
and the light shined in the darkness, but the darkness could not understandQuote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
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convenient that........Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
you're the one that believes everything came from nothing, because some mystical superbeing pulled an "i dream of genie" blinked and all our shit appeared. i'm sorry not everything came out of nothing, he made women out of spare ribs. evolution obviously just creates something out of nothing. you know seeing as it would take millions upon millions of years to do, but that takes more faith than believing it was created in 7 days. you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize people don't hate god, because there is no entity to hate. people hate the self-righteous pricks like you that believe blindly and argue in circles about a god that let's face it is a crutch for the fact that very few people in this world can come to grips that when you die, NOTHING happens. you cease to be. the flame is snuffed out. no more sir. yeah everything would be peachy keen if we can go to this super awesome place called heaven after we die and be rewarded for all the good that we did in our life and live happily, and peacefully, for all of eternity. am i supposed to believe that the human species is the only species in this universe that is worthy of heaven or hell for that matter? that's rather arrogant. what makes us so fucking special? oh wait it's the fact that we evolved to have increased cephalization and a more complex central nervous system to were we created a "god". if you are looking for some sort of meaning of life with god and all that crap i'll save you some time and just tell you. the meaning of life is to fucking live it. plain and simple. we are here, we live, we die. just like cockroach i just stomped on. or maybe he went to his own little roach god he created.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
If god was real I would hate him because he would be a wanker to allow so much shit to happen and to be such a sly fucking bastard about his own existence.
pointing the finger at anybody, let alone god for any of your problems
simply pushes your SELF deeper into negative vibrations
free your mind and realize the potential
Everyone who is in human form asked to be here,Quote:
Originally Posted by ukmonkey
they ASKED to be a creator.
Believe it or not, YOU created your reality,
and no one else. God allows carnage, killing, and destruction because it's the same as kindness as sharing- merely physical experiences.
REALIZING the only indestructible aspect of physical objects comes from within the soul is the key to being able to control how much of the light you see.
All of this is happening not because of God's will.. But because of man's free will and the corruption of Satan.. it is his time to reign.. and there's a full story for this, but ofcourse I'm not going to just spill it to a bunch negativity.. for what? so I may be flamed for? Any questions.. (sOcOm gunit) I would also appreciate to debate with other God believers.. thats my AIM screenname btw. Well I hope some of you find it deep down to want to know more.. I pray for your confusion.. as I pray for myself that I may not be misled by this worlds "Religions" that just make me sick.. it's all clear.. corruptions by satan himself. Holidays are a pretty cover up to praise him.. all these religions.. people think they are worshipping God.. but really their blinded... But God has mercy.. you shall see the light, and then choose for yourself soon. Toke on!
And to everyone.. God does say you should go to church.. but that doesnt mean to go to a religion specific church.. a church is a gathering of people for the same cause.. no dogmas or such... it's rediculous.
i hate the concept of god for the same reasons that i don't believe in it/"him"
he's clearly unjusut, illogical, and i think the concept of authority/heiarchy is absurd/border-line "evil"
lol. but whatever you believe is cool. im still spiritual, im into buddhism and related esoteric studies. i just dont think you need a big man up in the sky for it to work
cause he sucks donkey balls
God does not force himself on anyone. Man forces god on everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
Obviously thats a major generalization but Evangelism has to be the main reason I don't like religion. I love to express my opinions but I wont actively try to convert anyone.
Believe what you want, live your life how you want...tell me about it if you like but don't dare suggest that you know it all and i've got it wrong.
I reckon thats the way a lot of people see it. I heard a theory from a comedian on TV about two years ago and it just makes ultimate sense to me.
The rule is: You can do whatever the fuck you want......as long as it doesn't affect anyone elses ability to do whatever the fuck they want.
You can't break into someones house cause it affects thier ability to have privacy....you can't rob someone cause it affects thier ability to own stuff...you can't kill someone cause it affects thier ability to be alive.
I thought about that a lot and honestly can't see any situations where it doesnt work. It would also mean weed would be legal!! Huzzah!
The downside is, Jesus is quoted as saying all over the place that evangelism is the bee's knees. That was my major turnoff from Christianity. I don't believe in forcing ideas on anyone - if they ask, that's another story, but the best way to teach is through your way of life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Preston
Personally, I don't believe in a God. If you created everything, and knew everything, and knew how it would all end up, and your mind was as unfathomably powerful as the Bible says it is, you'd get bored. There would be no reason to exist. God would have gone mad aeons ago.
Look around. How our intelligence has greatly evolved, and how nature works together to thrive. Millions of species of animals and plants, and no new ones appear. What put them here? What happened to the dinosaurs, and where the fuck did we come from after they died off, to one day discover THEY once existed.
How did we gain this knowledge? How did we realize that there are endless galaxies, and space? What is out there that is left unexplored, and are we the only planet with life in this universe?
Impossible. We are not the only lifeforms, to me that seems impossible....because considering our theories, theres a whole universe out there, with endless planets. If there is in fact a god, he is everything in the universe.
Because this knowledge we have acquired, i believe is not all our own.
Maybe God DOESNT force himself upon anybody. That doesnt mean that PEOPLE dont force God upon us. Because the Christian concept of God is forced upon me on a daily basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
"Believe in me or burn for eternity" doesn't seem so benign. If God simply said believe in me or not, and go to heaven either way...he would seem a lot more pleasant, but no more believable.
It frustrates me that people can't see there is as much evidence for any other invisible thing that has/will never communicate with us (none). I guess it's just something people have to think about for themselves. I've found logical debate affects nothing where religion is concerned :(
Millions of species or plants and animals and no new ones appear?Quote:
Originally Posted by RedRainDrop
Have you any idea of the history of the earth. There we're billions and billions of lifeforms before us and will be after us. Earths history has a series of full stops where the majority of life on earth gets wiped out and evolution spins off in a different path. This is destined to happen to us at some point, the earth hasnt stopped being a dynamic, dramatic, dangerous place because we are here and it didn't start with us either.
We are the tinest of blips in the history of the planet...the only thing that distinguishes us from the other species is that we're the only ones actively destroying our enviroment. We've become too adaptable, changing our enviroment in stead of changing ourselves to suit the enviroment. Our evolution has come to a stop cause we've made things too easy.
If there is a God...human beings are his crappiest work.
It's called common law and it's supposed to be what america and canada are founded upon. Common law dictates that you can not harm or injure another being, you can not engage in destruction or stealing of one's property, and you can not engage in fraud in your contracts. Sounds heavenly :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Preston
But now that we have over 6,000,000 statutes to follow and be governed by, it looks nothing close to common law.
I can't see why we aren't governed by that one single rule though.
Would it work?