â??Damascus Nancyâ?? And Unlawful Diplomacy

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by fishman3811

P4B What about all the other members of congress who have gone to other countries for diplomacy reasons.Example congressman Danny Haster who went to Columbia to tell them how to handle drug dealers while Clinton was in office,he went on his own not because Clinton told him to go.

---

He overstepped his power even worse than Pelosi and SHOULD have been held accountable for it!

Contact with Colombian government
In 1997, Hastert led a Congressional delegation to Colombia. At that time, the administration of President Bill Clinton was concerned about human rights abuses by the Colombian military. Hastert urged Colombian officials to "bypass the U.S. executive branch and communicate directly with Congress."[11]
Dennis Hastert - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If these people want to travel a bit for their precious photo ops to friendly countries fine.....if their mission is against the Executive Branches foreign policy that's bullshit. Pelosi's visit was bullshit along with your examples.

During the time of Hasterts trip, the nation was way to busy wondering if Bill had dipped a Presidential cigar and the dems didn't want to give the impression that they were creating a distraction. Just more partisan bullshit!

Have a good one!:s4:

VIDEO: A member of Pelosiâ??s delegation knows a BS smear when heâ??s sees it. The Syria visit was done with knowledge of the White House and the cooperation of the State Department.


VIDEO: Republican Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) defends Nancy Pelosiâ??s trip to Syria.

:noel:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

exacty what law is Bush/Cheney in violation of? Wait! You could actually create a new thread to address that........this ones about Pelosis' crimes against the fine people of the United States.:D

---

What a hypocrite you are .... there are plenty of crimes the illegitimate bush regime has committed that you completely ignore or disregard .... I could post many examples .... but I'll keep it simple with one .....

.... this is more for our viewers at home ....
I posted this awhile back and it wasn't addressed check it out

You get the picture folks this is one of many crimes committed by this illegitimate regime.

:noel:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

VIDEO: A member of Pelosiâ??s delegation knows a BS smear when heâ??s sees it. The Syria visit was done with knowledge of the White House and the cooperation of the State Department.


VIDEO: Republican Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) defends Nancy Pelosiâ??s trip to Syria.

:noel:

---

Yeah, a mouthpiece for bush, liebermans main job. How anyone could not see throught this clown is amazing. He only wore the Democratic label because his home state voted mostly democratic, he was a republican in sheeps clothing. I've disliked Lieberman ever since he stuck up for Bushs' invasion of Iraq. It was republicans voting for him in his home state that put him in office defeating Ned Lamont, a real tradgedy for the democrats. This guy is a real scumbag, just to listen to him snivel makes my stomach turn.

I don't neccessarily agree with the way Pelosi did what she did, but I can understand it. The Bush administration's attempts at diplomacy have been ridiculous. He acts like the rest of the world is little children and he's the (unfit)parent. "I'm the boss, so do what I say, god damn it, or you'll be punished! Fuck off if you don't agree."

What Bush has done to our image abroad can be compared to what Katrina did to New Orleans. Whoever is in power after 2008 will have a lot of international damage control to do. The Dems sense that they're going to be the ones doing it, so they're just starting early.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

The Syria visit was done with knowledge of the White House and the cooperation of the State Department.

---

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's scheduled visit to Syria tomorrow drew strong criticism again from the White House today, despite the fact that three Republican congressmen went to Syria yesterday.
"It sends the wrong message to have high level U.S. officials go over there to have photo opportunities that Assad then exploits," said White House spokeswoman Dana Perino.
"The government of Syria continues to undermine the democratically elected government of Lebanon. They are allowing foreign enemy fighters to pass into Iraq through its border with Iraq, which is not only targeting our American soldiers, but Iraqi soldiers, as well as innocent Iraqi people. [Mr. Assad] knows that," Mrs. Perino said.
White House criticizes Pelosi's Syria trip - Nation/Politics - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

Knowing about it and giving authorization are two completely different things.....what do ya think the White House should have done, grounded her to her room? lol

Have a good one!:s4:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

What a hypocrite you are .... there are plenty of crimes the illegitimate bush regime has committed that you completely ignore or disregard .... I could post many examples .... but I'll keep it simple with one .....

.... this is more for our viewers at home ....
I posted this awhile back and it wasn't addressed check it out

You get the picture folks this is one of many crimes committed by this illegitimate regime.

:noel:

---

If there is one thing that I've learned with a few people in here is to check out the facts and NOT to let their little "spin" papers such as prisonplanet, etc..be considered as such.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Read the highlighted area once and remember that thing called "Food For Oil". According to the provision you pointed out it was pretty clear that the people of the U.N. were NOT going to do any action based on the fact that they had other motives.

Next, IF the White House was in violation of any resolution then it's up to congress to proceed with an impeachment in accordance to our Constitution.

So how does that make me a hypocrit or did you just have to get your rocks off?

Have a good one!:s4:

But once again.......lets try to keep this to the actual topic if unless my left wing friends are throwing our constitution out the door.

Have a good one!:s4:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

If there is one thing that I've learned with a few people in here is to check out the facts and NOT to let their little "spin" papers such as prisonplanet, etc..be considered as such.

---

We can and have said the same of you .... That's all bullshit you posted and my links show that .... there were no weapons .... the invasion was illegal .... that's a fact ... you can call it spin as much as you like .... we know that repuke talking point 193 .... Congress (most) won't do anything because they are in the pocket of the corporations who want these wars to continue and wish to expand .... and what evidence do you have other than your opinion that prisonplanet is not a credible news source?:wtf:

:noel:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

and what evidence do you have other than your opinion that prisonplanet is not a credible news source?:wtf:

:noel:

---

I'm with you on the whole we shouldn't be in Iraq thing, and the fact that Bush is an idiot, but Prisonplanet?? I mean seriously...come on GrowRebel, leave that nonsense to pisshead.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

We can and have said the same of you .... That's all bullshit you posted

---

O.K......The actual document from the Library of Congress is bullshit.........whatever dude!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

Get out now, and lets talk about what went wrong later. There's enough blame to go around, but to stay is assinine. Wind this thing up. The Iraqis (with the exception of a few hundred on our payroll) want us out. they showed that this weekend, with tens of thousands in the streets shouting American occupiers go home, can you get it, they don't want us there, so lets leave. Fuck the corporations, let Blackstone protect their interests. Those guys are getting 100K+ a year to risk their lives, GTF out now!!!!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fengzi

I'm with you on the whole we shouldn't be in Iraq thing, and the fact that Bush is an idiot, but Prisonplanet?? I mean seriously...come on GrowRebel, leave that nonsense to pisshead.

---

Again I ask .... what about prisonplanet that lack credibility? ....site something ... :wtf:

The only people who want American soldiars in Iraq is the Iraq government because they know once the Americans are gone they will loose power,and the American neocons with the help of their corporate masters want to stay in Iraq because of all the money they are making from the tax payers of America.Remember Dick Cheney before he dicks you

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by fishman3811

The only people who want American soldiars in Iraq is the Iraq government because they know once the Americans are gone they will loose power,and the American neocons with the help of their corporate masters want to stay in Iraq because of all the money they are making from the tax payers of America.Remember Dick Cheney before he dicks you

---

And what the hell does all this rhetoric have to do with the thread topic?

You DO have the option of opening a new thread with this agenda or replying to the countless others.

Have a good one!:s4:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

Again I ask .... what about prisonplanet that lack credibility? ....site something ... :wtf:

---

All U.S. (probably worldwide) media lacks credibility. Doesn't matter if it's PrisonPlanet, Fox News, or someone in between. It's all about the $. The truth is rarely as exiting as the 1/2 or 1/4 truth, in fact it's usually rather boring. Boring doesn't sell newspapers, get viewers, or hits on a website and, more importantly, boring doesn't sell advertising space. So, these "truthful" stories are carefully crafted to get the desired audience's attention, keep it, and lead them to believe whatever the particular media source, and their sponsors, want them to believe. Some people will look at that news, call "bullshit" and leave, but for many others the hook will be set. Then that specific media source just keeps feeding the same crap out and it's audience eagerly eats it up.

As for PrisonPlanet specifically, a quick look at their sponsors say's a lot. Water Filters and long-term storable food?? They cater to unibomber types; people terrified of the government and hiding out in a cabin deep int the woods. Sories like "Man's homemade flying saucer to be developed as surveillance drone" don't really give me confidence that they are 100% truthful without any agenda. Sure, it's the "truth" but like I mentioned above, it's a truth that's been carefully crafted to give it exactly the kind of spin they want it to have.

Take, for example, any story that starts out "Expert in the field states that.....". Now, it doesn't really matter if they contacted 1000 "experts" in the field and only one, the guy who was recently diagnosed with schizophrenia and generally considered a crackpot in his field, agreed with what they wanted to hear. They just don't mention the other 999 experts. Technically, it isn't a lie. The truth is they found an "expert" that told them what they wanted. Right???

But hey, believe what you want. What right do I have to tell you to take off the tin-foil hat.

Fengzi also a lot of these experts are paid for their view so u have to take things with a grain of salt.People have there own agenda and alot of the time money is usually behind every agenda.Im not saying everything at prison planet is bullshit BUT alot of it is designed for the soo called outer fringes of sociaty.I remember january 1 2000 was suppose to be the end of everything that we know of .People were predicting total caouse and a lot of people bought security sheltors and land in the woods and basicly believed some of the hype that some media types were spewing out.So take everything with a grain of salt and be well informed ................peace

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by fishman3811

Fengzi also a lot of these experts are paid for their view so u have to take things with a grain of salt.People have there own agenda and alot of the time money is usually behind every agenda.Im not saying everything at prison planet is bullshit BUT alot of it is designed for the soo called outer fringes of sociaty.I remember january 1 2000 was suppose to be the end of everything that we know of .People were predicting total caouse and a lot of people bought security sheltors and land in the woods and basicly believed some of the hype that some media types were spewing out.So take everything with a grain of salt and be well informed ................peace

---

Exactly fishman!! You get it :thumbsup: Whether the "experts" are being paid, have their own agenda, or are simply nuts doesn't matter. The media will still pull them out of thew woodwork to back up their stories. Maybe I'm just cynical, but I have come to distrust pretty much anything the media says, certainly the more sensationalistic stuff. If you weren't there yourself, you can never know what really happened.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fengzi

All U.S. (probably worldwide) media lacks credibility. Doesn't matter if it's PrisonPlanet, Fox News, or someone in between. It's all about the $. The truth is rarely as exiting as the 1/2 or 1/4 truth, in fact it's usually rather boring.

As for PrisonPlanet specifically, a quick look at their sponsors say's a lot. Water Filters and long-term storable food?? They cater to unibomber types; people terrified of the government and hiding out in a cabin deep int the woods. Sories like "Man's homemade flying saucer to be developed as surveillance drone" don't really give me confidence that they are 100% truthful without any agenda. Sure, it's the "truth" but like I mentioned above, it's a truth that's been carefully crafted to give it exactly

But hey, believe what you want. What right do I have to tell you to take off the tin-foil hat.

---

So you can't site anything specific about prison planet's reporting ..... you just think they lack credibility because of their sponsors? ..... and I'm the one with the tin-foil hat?:wtf:

:noel:

GrowRebal you just have to take a broader look at the whole picture before you can make an informed decision on things is what Fengzi is trying to say i think.

:rolleyes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

So you can't site anything specific about prison planet's reporting ..... you just think they lack credibility because of their sponsors? ..... and I'm the one with the tin-foil hat?:wtf:

:noel:

---

:rolleyes: GrowRebel, I honestly don't have time to go and dissect one of the ridiculous conspiracy theory stories on prison planet that will give a specific example of it's lack of credibility. Call it a cop out if you will but...

Some intersting headlines though

"Gene mutations behind fidgety kids: German scientists"

"Former Bush Speechwriter Hints at 9/11 Inside Job"

"'I am plotting a new Russian revolution' "

"The Clone Wars"

Etc., Etc.

Anyhow, the main point is that to be really credible, a media source should be unbiased. PrisonPlanet is about as biased as it can get. That right there takes away from it's credibility. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Fox News is any better, on the contrary, they're just biased in the other direction. Either can manipulate the "truth" to make you believe what they want you to believe.

Let me give you an example of what I'm saying. These are my own "news reports" about a company that my company does business with. It does exist, but in the interest of anonymity we'll call it "Company X". These two reports are both with 100% truthful, everything I'm stating did happen. But each is presented from a different viewpoint. Much like you might get from two different news sources with opposing views.

First Report:

Headline: Vice President Leaves "Doomed" Company in The Nick Of Time"

First Paragraph: "According to its former Vice President, "Company X" is doomed. He cites poor sales and declining stock prices as proof of his claim. He goes on to warn potential investors that putting money into "Company X" is like flushing it down the toilet."

Damn, "Company X" sounds pretty crappy. If I read this and had stock in the company I'd be running to sell.

Then again, what if I had read this story first

Headline: After Firing Hated Exec, "Company X" Finally On The Road To Recovery"

First Paragraph: Three weeks ago "Company X" terminated it's universally disliked Vice-President of Sales. Since then, shares of it's stock have gone up 10% and the new plan initiated by his replacement looks to be a winner. Things have stared to turn around and now is the time to invest in "Company X"

See what I mean? Two, 100% truthful, stories about the same subject but that are obviously intended to steer the reader one way or another. This is what almost all news sources do but some, like PrisonPlanet, take it to the extreme. I don't really call that "credible". Can you? And if you agree that a news source with a specific agenda, one that is certainly not biased, can not be credible, can you then honestly say that PrisonPlanet is credible?

I don't know how anyone could come to the conclusion that prisonplant is my only source .... it's not. I check out several sources .... so to suggest I don't have a broad source and can't make informed decisions because I ask about prisonplanet's credibility is not very broad minded.

According to him all news sources lie .... if that's the case what's the point in keeping informed? :wtf: :hippy:


:noel:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Knowing about it and giving authorization are two completely different things.....what do ya think the White House should have done, grounded her to her room? lol

Have a good one!:s4:

---

Are they really? You were the one that said she was breaking the law. According to you they should have done more.

So for the folks at home .... as you can see ... our good friend psycho is wrong again.:hippy:

:noel:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

I don't know how anyone could come to the conclusion that prisonplant is my only source .... it's not. I check out several sources .... so to suggest I don't have a broad source and can't make informed decisions because I ask about prisonplanet's credibility is not very broad minded.


:noel:

---

Good for you GrowRebel. If you check out several sources that means you're on the right track. Just be careful you're not checking out only those sources that are steering you in the same direction. More inportant than finding several sources is finding several viewpoints. I never said that PrisonPlanet was your only news source though. This debate hasn't been about the number of your news sources, however. It has only been about your very own original question

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

what evidence do you have other than your opinion that prisonplanet is not a credible news source? :

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

According to him all news sources lie .... if that's the case what's the point in keeping informed? :wtf: :hippy:


:noel:

---

And I never said all news sources lie. I really said they all tell the "truth". Just their own versions of it. ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

Are they really? You were the one that said she was breaking the law. According to you they should have done more.

So for the folks at home .... as you can see ... our good friend psycho is wrong again.:hippy:

:noel:

---

I pointed out the law.........the article from the constitution; there is no way to stop a person before hand in a case like this but a warning on what would happen should have been given at the very least. NOW she's talking about a trip to Iran.....LOL....birds of a feather I guess.

So GR, how does this make me wrong? I'm VERY suprised that your hero from Prisonplanet isn't covering this since he's so big on the constitution.......I guess since it goes against the "right" it wouldn't be a big tape seller to discredit this one........

Have a good one!:s4:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fengzi

And I never said all news sources lie. I really said they all tell the "truth". Just their own versions of it. ;)

---

LMAO!
Actual Headline:
Bush saves kid by kicking off vicious dog.

Prisonplanet version:
Bush commits animal cruelty.

Have a good one!:s4:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

I pointed out the law.........the article from the constitution; there is no way to stop a person before hand in a case like this but a warning on what would happen should have been given at the very least. NOW she's talking about a trip to Iran.....LOL....birds of a feather I guess.

So GR, how does this make me wrong? I'm VERY suprised that your hero from Prisonplanet isn't covering this since he's so big on the constitution.......I guess since it goes against the "right" it wouldn't be a big tape seller to discredit this one........

Have a good one!:s4:

---

Who's my hero prisonplanet psycho? When did I say I had a hero at prisonplanet?

See here folks .... typical bushies tactic .... if the facts aren't on their side they make shit up.

You stated the law to attempt to show Pelosi was breaking the law .... you were wrong again .... but I'm not trying to change your views in any way .... just pointing out to the folks in our viewing audience you don't have the facts.:hippy:

:noel:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

See here folks .... typical bushies tactic .... if the facts aren't on their side they make shit up.


:noel:

---

What, you mean Iraq really didn't have WMD's ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GrowRebel

Who's my hero prisonplanet psycho? When did I say I had a hero at prisonplanet?

See here folks .... typical bushies tactic .... if the facts aren't on their side they make shit up.

You stated the law to attempt to show Pelosi was breaking the law .... you were wrong again .... but I'm not trying to change your views in any way .... just pointing out to the folks in our viewing audience you don't have the facts.:hippy:

:noel:

---

You mean this law that was stated in MANY different articles including the French paper I refered to:
18 U.S.C. § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

OF COURSE IT'S WRONG.....it doesn't line up with your left wing agenda. LOL

Have a good one!:s4:

What no WMDs really holy fuck and no conection to Al-Quada noooooooo