gay marriage what do you think?

See, your looking at it all wrong. Its just personal preference. Granted, it is undeniably unnatural to prefere the same sex for sexual pleasures, but I can't say all my fetishes are 100% normal either :D

So what I'm saying is let people do their own thing, as long as they don't force it upon you.


...which I have been seeing more and more of with the gay culture. I don't mind it, but I mind being forced into being around it (notice how virtually every show now has at least one gay person?). Equality is one thing, forcing something on people is way beyond equality though.

I just think more or less in 20 years when we all look back at this. Everyone who actively works to block its legislation will look like a racist bigot and personally when I'm 80 I don't want to look back at when I 16 and see how racist and stupid I was being. Plus I just don't understand why not? God said its wrong... hmm sounds like church and state to me...

Im really begining to dislike the hypocricy whith which mowhereman speaks. he says, and i quote: "go hide your sick ass with ya butthole buddy and please know,america will never except your perverted ways as NORMAL cuase its not normal thinking," but then he also says that he is not predjudice. yes, you are. it is prejudice to push away people because they do not have the same beliefs as you do. i am not advocating homesexuality, i think it is not natural either, but i believe i speak for a lot of us when i say that we are advocating equality. no matter how you look at it, these people are HUMAN. yes, there are 2 headed frogs and 2 headed cows, but there are also 2 headed humans, and i think it would be unreasonable to expect us to lock them in a house so that they can get their "issues" resolved. and buck, dont say that his view is wrong. no it isnt, its a view, which is by definition neither right nor wrong. we can call him hypocritical and attack the idea that he says he is not a homophobe but really is, but we cannot say that he is wrong for that. nowhereman, i am not telling you that you are wrong for what you believe, i am saying that you are a hypocrite: if you are prejudice (and YES, you ARE) then say it, dont deny it. we are all here cause we smoke, lets all get along respect eachother, stop bickering, and bring up well-informed and backed-up points for an intelligent and civil discussion. THAT is the beauty of freedom.
light it up, talk it up, but dont be uncivilided.
dave

I think they should be allowed to get married.Because u can fall in love with someone of the same sex and love them forever just like a hetro relationship.With adopting kids tho i would hope that they wouldnt push or let there child see that lifestyle until they are older so that they can see the way the world and figure it out themselves.Would be strange having 2 daddys or mums.

Once it's around for awhile, it's no big deal. I mean, we don't see blacks having the same right as us being weird. They WERE slaves, and that was a big transition, and for the most part, we are over it, and it's been only like one or two generations. It just matters on how you grow up. After a generation, I'm sure it wouldn't be so weird having two same sex parents. Just maybe missing out the experience on having two parents of different sexes (you have the man's personality and the womans, but in a gay relationship, you just get man and man, or woman and woman, unless they have the whole bitch and butch attitude).

Having a race of people inferior to another now just wouldn't be acceptable. We worked towards equality within the 20th century, and we did a damn good job. Why should we retrogress? The closest thing to an inferior race to an everyday person, would probably be animals, and we've all heard of PETA.... so you get the idea.

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Z, i guess this is another thing we're gonna have to agree to disagree about :p

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so true ,but that is what makes this place great
we can agree to disagree
and discuss
and cuss
and vent ect

see i understand all to well everybody is not the same minded
and thats cool,
but i sometimes say things just to get a lil action going and heat up the place with honest thoughts
not planned out statements,but thoughts as they are written as is


and
thanks for the toke,,,,,passes it on to next dopehead

peace

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Im really begining to dislike the hypocricy whith which mowhereman speaks. he says, and i quote: "go hide your sick ass with ya butthole buddy and please know,america will never except your perverted ways as NORMAL cuase its not normal thinking," but then he also says that he is not predjudice. yes, you are. it is prejudice to push away people because they do not have the same beliefs as you do. i am not advocating homesexuality, i think it is not natural either, but i believe i speak for a lot of us when i say that we are advocating equality. no matter how you look at it, these people are HUMAN. yes, there are 2 headed frogs and 2 headed cows, but there are also 2 headed humans, and i think it would be unreasonable to expect us to lock them in a house so that they can get their "issues" resolved. and buck, dont say that his view is wrong. no it isnt, its a view, which is by definition neither right nor wrong. we can call him hypocritical and attack the idea that he says he is not a homophobe but really is, but we cannot say that he is wrong for that. nowhereman, i am not telling you that you are wrong for what you believe, i am saying that you are a hypocrite: if you are prejudice (and YES, you ARE) then say it, dont deny it. we are all here cause we smoke, lets all get along respect eachother, stop bickering, and bring up well-informed and backed-up points for an intelligent and civil discussion. THAT is the beauty of freedom.
light it up, talk it up, but dont be uncivilided.
dave

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but it made you think about it did it not
and if i was a homophobe id be bashing heads
if i was prejudice i would not be here
see ,i dont hate them,i just want them to keep a perversion out of public eye


oh yes
THAT is the beauty of freedom.
light it up, talk it up, but dont be uncivilided

practice what you preach mofo"
or hush the fuck up
see you think your ass is better than mine becuase you can ignore the shit
pal,u dont know me,i dont know you,and u just called me names right
aint freedom great,.u can say what you want and so can i
see you thinks its ok,,,and i dont
so your right and im wrong to you
im right and your wrong to me

aint nothing gonna change my mind that its wrong to be buttfucked
nothing in this world can make me except that shit,

some of you people sicken me. whats your problem with gay people? and what about homophobic attacks? i think everyone should have equal rights. and i'm bisexual. me and my ex girlfriend got picked on by some homophobic girls. one of them even hit my ex girlfriend. i was scared after.:(. some of you people have problems. this thread has upset me. :(

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There are? :confused: well i dont see any reason why a 2 headed from cant marry a 2 headed cow o wait thats not what were talking about. do i think america will legalize gay marraiges? (sp) no i dont. america isnt as liberal as it claims to be. america is a right winged conservative nation especially with george w running things so no i dont see gay marraiges happening any time soon unless a liberal becomes president. i think a person is born gay now im not sure about this but im pretty sure. so IF a person is born gay its not his fault. it hes not and its his choice then he should be aware of how homophobic the world is and if its his choice he should be aware of the consequences even if they include you cant get married. unfortunately the world is not as accepting of homosexuals as they would like.

i dont think its the governments business to decide whether or not they should be married i think thats up to the particular religion and church. i was watching everybody loves raymond the other day and it was the episode where they thought robert was gay. and in that episode they go on saying how every guy (everyone) has thought if they were gay or not. ex. by looking at other guys at the gym and saying there ripped or whatever. but then they see a pair of boobs and they snap out of it.

i personally dont give a flying fuck if they wanna get married or not its none of my business, like i stated b4 i dont think its the governments business. i think alot of people are talking about this issue and picturing a man and a man getting married. how do you people feel about two women getting married i bet alot of people wudnt really care becasue every1 loves lesbians lol. jus think about that.

actually you might not want to click that

I bet that gets me banned...

edit it fancypants

how?


-fancy pants

oops that was an hour ago my bad

I DONT LIKE GAYS BUT I DONT THINK IT SHOULD B ILLEGAL IM SURE MANY FAGS I MEAN HOMOSEXUAL PEOPLE R NICE PEOPLE JUST LIKE U AND ME EXCEPT SUM LIKE TO MUNCH CARPETS AND SUM LIKE TO GET THERE SHIT PUSHED IN WHO R WE TO JUDGE THESE PPL.

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I took your word for it, I didn't click it but I did delete it.

A kiss for lulu for protecting us :-)

PLEASE SAY LULU IS FEMALE OR THIS WOULD LOOK REAL WRONG IN A GAY MARRIAGE THREAD LOL!

may i ask. why don't you like gay people? :confused:

I NEVER ONCE SED I NEVR LIKED GAY PPL I DNT AGREE WITH PPL BEING GAY BUT IF UR GAY UR O.K! THATS MY MOTTO MOST GAY PPL R REALLY BUBBLY N E WAY AND IM NOT HOMOPHOBIC AT ALL!

i'm not gay. though i have been out with a girl

Euphoric
"Marriage between a man and a woman promotes procreation and makes intimate sexual activity orderly and socially accountable. "

But gee our world is growing at a rate that is too quick..... Maybe we should promote gay marriages. Gee if were expanding to fast mabe we should have a manditory right in certain countries or states. How bout we make it manditory that 70 percent of the community has to be gay, otherwise they don't benifit from the system at the same level as homosexual people.

A good start ot this philosophy would be to ban Hetrosexual marriages. For the state of course because we are all concerned with the good of the world.. Right?
This wont be today... But the world is rapidly growing we should consider inforcing this quick! G. Wilikers (geese's cusin?) it is for our contry after all!

Well sinse in America were trying to promote diversity to grow. As were embracing ethnicities, womens rights, and the many social classes it would be un-patriotic not to further the movement. Which is American values... Growing. So sinse were accomidating new values into our sosciety we now have changed The American
marriage into a secular non-religious privalage. So now suddenly were wiping all Reiligion, racism, and sexual identity, leaving them at the doorstep to the courtroom.
Were just left with 2 people who want to get to achive the same status as everyone else.
This includes all ethnicities, or religions. Remember we've excluded non-legal values. We'll if were to base our laws in "religious values" then mabe a religion will arise with homosexuality posing a large role.

Why not? Im sure their are certain legal loop holes premiting people to use thier rights to avoid certain laws, that the rest of us have to abide by through religious rights. So lets remove religion and peoples values. Now we suddenly have just an infringement of individuality and equality.
It is all in the name of progress right? Is it correct that thats what were looking for in our "developed Nations"?

And if naturality is the concern. Our torn sosciety isnt to balme for homosexuality! Their are homosexual tendancies in a variety of species/animals around the globe. Ohhh ohhhh! We cant blame anything this time?I guess homosexuality is just a fact of life. But where did this negativity towards homosexuality start. We'll in ancient greece many people were gay, Athens and Spartus both! So it's not the same place the root of our laws come from.

Gee they formed the olympic games so thay cant be that bad of ehh? Not to forget the amazing accomplishments such as the Colossus of Rhodes , the statue of Zeues and ohh so much more.
Nnot to mention Aristotle, Plato and Socrates! Without them where would our laws and values today? Lets not forget the amassed power that nation kept in check, the librarys, temples, culture, inventions, overall wealth, and amazing architecture.

Now the majority of us live in boxes above other boxes and with no possiblity to be self reliant. Lack of land to produce agriculture or oppertunity.
We we cant really hope for Mc'donalds or Nike to be the next true "wonder of the world". Sinse they will probably kill us before we realise how much they've sold us out. But they seem to be the ideal in our materialistic confused sosciety

We'll thats just my logic on the matter. Mabe i said things a little to heated to be considered a "agree to disagree" situation. But every opinion is important.
I probably should have ended things earlier but i wanted to talk this out.

C

The C, that post was fucking awesome

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fuck this shit,,i was raped by 3 fucking queers at gunpoint in the milatary,,ever sence then,,they are fags and queers and sick indaviduals like dykes and lesbos,,get the fuck off this planet you fucking queers and lesbos,,remember freedom of speech people,,dont deny my right

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wow you are stupid, go get a dictionary and look up "hipocrit" then look up "hempheadjack" see if the definitions match, moron

its people like you that make people like me hate people like you





P.S. your stupid

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i second that

i still had the best post i win

i no if i were prez,,you would be my friend,,thank god im not

Should we persecute people cause the'yer gay? It must be hard for a homosexual to deal with his/her life when everyone screams about how their sick and how they are responsible for AIDS. Blaming people because their different about societies problems dosen't help anything. I'm not gay and don't believe in it but Whats their Sex lives to me.

Oh of course. I diden't mean to refer to Him. I was refering to a person who has a problem with other peoples lifestyle because it conflicts with their beliefs.

I mean shit look at weed. Lots of people consider drugs a problem because they don't like it or don't believe in it or whatever the'yer problem is.
But who are people to say when we are suppose to live in a free society that someone elses belifes, lifestyle or even drug habits are wrong. I mean shit nobody wants a pusher standing by the local junior high, but if your not causing a problem for the community then shoulden't they just leave you alone?

heres my 2 cents you could say

ok this is really 2 diffrent question do you believe in homosexuality and do you believe in gay marriges

i have nothing wrong with homosexuality its there choice to let other guys put shit up there ass i could care lesss

gay marriages i dont believe in i have no problem fuckign each other and being house partners o what ever but i dont think they should marry alot of i
i guess is bc i new a kid hoo had homosexual parents who was constantly teased about it and got into fight all the time he eventually commited suicide
and on another note i find it that in most people its only wrong if 2 guys get married but most of them have no problem with 2 women getting married what makes 2 women a better marrige besides you hoping to score a 3some :confused: :confused:

(dont mind my odd abreviations and lots of typos :D )

Just a thought, 50 years ago interracial marriage was illegal. Many thought it was unnatural and morally wrong. Seems familiar.

If 2 guys wanna get married let em. It's there life not mine. I could care less...

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but it made you think about it did it not
and if i was a homophobe id be bashing heads
if i was prejudice i would not be here
see ,i dont hate them,i just want them to keep a perversion out of public eye


oh yes
THAT is the beauty of freedom.
light it up, talk it up, but dont be uncivilided

practice what you preach mofo"
or hush the fuck up
see you think your ass is better than mine becuase you can ignore the shit
pal,u dont know me,i dont know you,and u just called me names right
aint freedom great,.u can say what you want and so can i
see you thinks its ok,,,and i dont
so your right and im wrong to you
im right and your wrong to me

aint nothing gonna change my mind that its wrong to be buttfucked
nothing in this world can make me except that shit,

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Yes. it did make me think. i commend you for that. i think if we all thought a little more, this world would be a little better off.

i disagree with you comment: "if i were a homophobe, i would be bashing heads." that is simply untrue. a homophobe is someone who fears gay people. one needs not commit violence to be homophobic. and i havent read back at some of the ealier posts in a while so i could be wrong, but i dont think i called you a homophobe. if i did call you a homophobe, i didnt mean to, and i am sorry. i do believe however that i said that you are prejudice. honestly, i dont know what you mean when you said that if u were prejudice you wouldnt be here. all i mean by saying that you are is that you fit into some of the following, and i quote from websters, the definition of prejudice that i am using is: "An opinion or judgment formed without due examination; prejudgment; a leaning toward one side of a question from other considerations than those belonging to it; an unreasonable predilection for, or objection against, anything; especially, an opinion or leaning adverse to anything, without just grounds, or before sufficient knowledge." i dont know if you have reason to have a negative bias toward gays, and i have no reason to judge you for that (or else i myself yould be prejudice :D ) but, through your comments, i gather that you are some, if not most of these things. you are right, i dont know you and you dont know me, and therefore it was wrong of me to call you names. for that i am sorry. but the point i am making is that i think we all could be a little more accepting, if in doing so we will make a more peaceful coexistance between fellow humans.

i believe i am practicing what i am preaching. i dont recall ever being uncivilized. if i have ben construed as being so, it waqs certianly unintended. and for the record, the "THAT is the beauty of freedom.
light it up, talk it up, but dont be uncivilided" quote was not directed at you specifically. it was a general comment and suggestion to all.

i dont think i am better than you, nor do i ever say that. if i come across that way to you then i am sorry. that was never my intention. my rant is about free rights for all, even people i dont agree with, and that includes you, nowhereman. obviously i dont agree with some of the things you say, but i respect your right to voice you opinion. what i disagree with, and the reason why i call you prejudice is that some of the things you have said seem to point toward you holding a group of people back because they differ from you. it seems at though you are looking at a common thread between a group of people and judging them in a negative way for it. in all honesty, i see that the same way i see racism. i dont see how it would be any different if you were to say "i dont like blacks, i dont like the way they look, so i would prefer if they all just kept inside while i was around." i dont think any of us have the right to say that the collective "we" is better that the collective "them", whoever that may be. i see you saying, in escence, (and please, correct me if i am wrong!!) "i dont like the act of homosexuality, so i would prefer if they kept their gay tendancies away from me." am i drawing a faulty connection when i parallel racism with the prejudice toward gays? maube i am not seeing the whole picture, but that is what it looks like to me. it is one thing to dislike something, but another thing completely to shunn an entire group of people for it. for instance, i honestly dont the sound of a "southern accernt." to me its kinda like nails on a chalk board. i recognize that i have no basis for not liking it, i just know that i think it sounds funny. but at the same time, i think it would be unreasonable for me to say, or even think for that matter, that all people with a southern accent should be kept away from me, hoping that they all just go away. do you see the difference?

lastly, i am not asking you to change your mind about gay people. if i have said that in the past, i apologize. it is not my job to ask people to change, not do i think that i have the right to. i simply ask that we all be more aware that we are dealing with humans here, and that shutting anyone out, for any reason, i think is wrong. i think we all should be just a touch more accepting of others, myself included.

::passes nowhereman the J and the soapbox::

fui

the last line is supposed to read ":: Passes..." not "::p asses..."
apparently typing a : then a p makes this face :p, which was unintended because the p was supposed to go with the "asses".
sorry

to everyone screaming how they hate gays i hope you know your spewing the same bullshit as the kkk and neo-nazi groups, hope you enjoy the company.

right on juggalo!

a little to late people,,i already read it,,whats the matter,,i give my address,and someone cant back them selves up,,i know who you are,,freedojm of speech is not working ,,why,,and i am not scared,just dying,,so now what,,whos to not say that them sick perverts that raped me didnt give me hep -c,,fuck em all,,after i read about me being a unfit parent,,fuck em,,ill give my address again and again,,only i doubt anybody will ever back them selves up and show up to say to my face,

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a little to late people,,i already read it,,whats the matter,,i give my address,and someone cant back them selves up,,i know who you are,,freedojm of speech is not working ,,why,,and i am not scared,just dying,,so now what,,whos to not say that them sick perverts that raped me didnt give me hep -c,,fuck em all,,after i read about me being a unfit parent,,fuck em,,ill give my address again and again,,only i doubt anybody will ever back them selves up and show up to say to my face,

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I deleted your post Jack and Purge's too. You've posted too many nice garden pics to be giving out your address here babes ;)

Peace

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I deleted your post Jack and Purge's too. You've posted too many nice garden pics to be giving out your address here babes ;)

Peace

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thanks so much,i knew what you did anyway,,just a little to late,as for my address,,it takes a notice to be noticed,,there are figfters all over the world,,i am one of them,,as for my address,,if anyone read it,,the ones i sent shit to will no the truth,,just putting a little fear into that fuck,,in my own way,,i have gone through to much in my life,,so when i get pissed ,i get pissed,later lulu,,much later to all,,,