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One of the major points being missed is the money Big Tobacco throws into politics. As long as they pay the right people, tobacco will never be made illegal. Unfortunately, Big Tobacco has a LOT to lose if Marijuana is legalized. Big Tobacco would lose everything if Marijuana were legalized. There are tax on Tobacco correct?
big tobacco wouldnt lose anything if marijuana were legalized weed isnt a tobacco substitute. if you are addicted to cigarettes and start smoking weed you arent going to stop cigarettes
i dont like how far theyve gone with smoking already. apparently any more people cant hold themselves responsible for walking into a building where they know smoking is allowed. hey smoking ban people, heres an idea, you dont like smoke filled bars, dont go into them you assholes
Yea you cna't make Rigs illegal and ask for cannabis to be legalized
that wouldn't work on so many levels lol...all the tobacco fiend pot haters
would go nuts and start genocide... And also the people who said
"keep cigs legal as long as we're not hurting anybody else"
that's kind of hard cuz people do get second hand smoke from cigs...
you'd have to smoke in a spot where nobody can breath it in no?
Anyways, prohibition (prohibitchin') is fucked up
We'll never live free... i feel abit more free in canada than the U.S. though haha
I don't think tobacco should be illegal. I think everyone has a mind of their own, and adding more dictatorshit, will just frustrate people even more.
I think one thing they shouldn't do is accept court cases where family members sue tobacco sompanies because a loved one died of it's use. Now THAT, is bullshit. I don't see how getting money for a loved ones death helps with that loss. :wtf: Plus, they made that choice to smoke, so now you want someone to pay because of their stupid actions?
More prohibition won't work. Creating more dictatorship won't work. Let people make their own choices, but before they do, they should be aware of the dangers it presents. If they die or get sick because of it, too bad, your choice, your mistake, you know the hazards, RIP.
That's how I see it anyways. If people want to smoke, then let them, but if they die because of it, too freaking bad.
if tobacco were made illegal you could prepare for a black market that would make the bootlegging during prohibition a cake walk
Ok, first we know for a fact making alchohal illegal would not work it's been tried before, the production and selling of alchohal was made constitutionaly illegal for a while but that failed misserably. Second cigerettes aren't what kills the person it's their descision to smoke them. Also this whole second hand smoke thing, it takes a hell of a lot more than first hand smoke to kill someone else, but not only that, they have produced a ciggerette that has almost no second hand smoke, the brand is Eclipse. ALso if we to were make it illegal based on the fact it can kill then we would also have to ban caffeine, water, gasoline, knives, guns, blunt objects,swords, hell even coke machines kill people from them falling on a personQuote:
Originally Posted by marvelous22
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hey smoking ban people, heres an idea, you dont like smoke filled bars, dont go into them you assholes
I go to the bar or out to eat because i want to
a)drink
b)eat
not to be assulted by smoke. I'm not saying smoking tabacky is wrong, hell i even partake every once in a while. All i'm saying is if you bitch about not being able to smoke everywhere you go, then you need to put some things into perspective.
don't forget we'd have to ban rainforest
Over 700 things are found in the rainforest can cause cancer.
Also the rainforest is responsible for over 300,000 deaths a year due to accidents, attracks, and diseise
well to the average smoker, cigarettes and booze go hand in hand. to the business, a happy customer is a paying customer, and they will keep coming back and ordering more. thus, satisfy the customer and they will return and purchase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skrappie
half those people would find a new bar if they couldnt smoke and drink at the same time. its bad for business. also, you cant please everyone.
and usually the barflys smoke, so it makes sense to let them.
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Originally Posted by Its a Plant
hey guess what, you go to a bar to drink, or eat. that is your right. it is also the right of someone to open a bar and say it is non smoking. i guess that slipped your mind. i would have no problem at all with a business owner saying hey this is no smoking. that is fine. the government saying it is ridiculous, people bitching about getting assaulted by smoke when they know smoking is allowed going in make me sick to my stomach.
I understand that, its all gravy. My point was if you are really upset about a place banning smoking, to the point where you refuse to go there (if you once enjoyed it) then smoking has taken over your life.Quote:
half those people would find a new bar if they couldnt smoke and drink at the same time. its bad for business. also, you cant please everyone.
and usually the barflys smoke, so it makes sense to let them.
I enjoy smoking weed, but i'm still going to have fun when i go out even if i cant do it at my favorite( or any) establishment.
Suhl, how much time do you spend in these places? I'm sure its not enough to here a total ban in establishment smoking would honestly effect your life.
My question is not if you should or shouldnt be allowed to smoke where you drink, mine is only do you really need to?
Getting bent out of shape about it answers that question though.
:thumbsup: i dont smoke, i am upset over constitutional rights being so obviously violated and people just going along with it because they dont like smelly clothes. people who are addicted to smoking have the right to go somewhere they can have a good time without withdraw
and on your edit, i dont smoke. to me if you see it as a smokers vs nonsmokers issue you are totally missing the point, but dont worry that is the majority on this issue. it is about the rights of business owners, and going further the right to property guarenteed in the constitution. once again, as about every post in here though, i thank you for the psychological assessment me and my smoking addiction, you hit the nail on the head:thumbsup:
I think that thumb is close to your butt buddy. I did not give you an assessment, just as the rest of my post was general, the part direct to you was general. I don't care if you smoke or not. And I understood where you were comming fromQuote:
Originally Posted by suhl
but as with my orignal postI was giving a side bar comment on it. i think the business owner should be able to decide too, but my one and only point on this issue is, if you get bent out of shape when you cant smoke, then you need to put things into perspective. I think you were a bit to excited to nail somone and jumped the gun. The 'you' existed in post as only a general refrence. as it always does. :)Quote:
All i'm saying is if you bitch about not being able to smoke everywhere you go, then you need to put some things into perspective.
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Originally Posted by Skrappie
I wouldnt go as far as saying its taken over your life. Its more about making a statement if youre going to discontinue going to said establishment. In California you cant even smoke in any place, so I dont even mind it. And of course you dont need to, its just a commodity that has been given to the patrons.
but as far as smoking weed goes..its apples and oranges. of course you arent going to be able to smoke weed in any establishment (if in the US)while its still illegal, so of course youre still gonna have fun.
oh yeah, i misinterpreted i guess, you threw me off when you said it is my right to walk into a bar and not get assaulted by smoke. then we are all clear. and yes i do get very excited about this issue because people wanting to eliminate our basic freedoms really piss me off. and i misinterpreted the you i really thought you meant me specifically. then i guess we are in agreement
I wouldnt necessarilly call smoking in an establishment a basic freedom, but more or less a privelage.Quote:
Originally Posted by suhl
id say more something like freedom of speech is a basic freedom.
goes in with the right to property. i dont know if that is a basic freedom or not but it is in the consitution. you operate your business within the confines of the law. cigarettes are legal. they have also have the right to sa no smoking. i will say you being able to smoke in there is a privledge given by the owner or manager, but them being able to make such a decision is their right. rather was their right
I remeber going to the bars back in Alberta and they had smoking, and non-smoking sections. I used to smoke, but then I quit. Going to the bar where the smokers were on one side, and non-smokers on the other worked out just fine for me. Sure, you could smell it a bit, but I couldn't taste it. Unlike most clubs, where smoke filled the place awnd you could chew it. :p
After time though, they made a bylaw where you couldn't even smoke inside any establishment, bars included. I think this is unfair to smokers. They were treating them like children, and after time, people started crowding around outside, hundreds at a time, tossing their butts on the ground.
To me, if a business has a section where smokers can go, then I'm fine by that as a non smoker. It never bothered me when they had the seperate sections, so why don't they just do that again?
The way I see it, if you're going to a bar, then expect people to smoke. If you don't like that, then go to a different bar, but I think having indoor sections for smokers to go is a good idea. Not sending them out in the cold for crowds of people, and having smoke butts piled up outside the doors.
I wish there were a way to make them non-existent without making them illegal. They do so much preventable damage. My health conscience wants them removed from our planet. But my freedom conscience recognizes that if people are allowed to make choices to eat what they want, love whom they want, vote how they want, go where they want, etc., they should be alllowed to choose tobacco, too.
Oh ya I totally agree. I don't want them band or made illegal, because I don't think anything should be illegal (not just because it harms me if I choose to do it, that is) but then they are evil and it would probably be for the good of all of us if they were banned worldwide..Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
No Tobacco should stay legal.