If God exists..

I really think the search for God is a personal one. If you need something to believe in, you will find God if you look hard enough. On the other hand, for people like myself, I don't feel the need at all to faith in something bigger than me or you, I am satisfied with science, evolution, and I believe that religion is just a security blanket for people who need one.

I just learned that if someone wants to believe, as long as they don't try to force me to believe too, it's their right and if it makes them happy all the better. I also learned there's no point in arguing with them because it always comes down to a question of faith, and there's no counter-argument to faith.

On second thought, I can't really I don't believe, I just don't know... I guess I'm an agnostic then. Even stuff that happened in the Bible, all of it is easily explainable in scientific terms. I saw a documentary on TV that explained each of Egypt's 10 plagues, it fascinating. I saw aother show talking about plants, and Moses's burning bush is a naturally occurring phenomenon because the sap in this species becomes highly flammable (similar to pine sap) and sometimes all it takes is a spark for it to light up.

In the end, I simply believe it's a matter of need. If a traumatic event scars you emotionally, you might need the comfort of religion to help you cope with it. Or you might not.

God, Allah, Yahweh, Zeus, you know what these words all have in common? They all simply mean 'god', no more, no less.

god shows himself to u and many defferent ways or forms u just have to stop callin it luck. for me it was when i went to Florida i was stuck at the bus station i got my purse stolen lola couldnt get there because she was locked in her house. i was stuck with a hurricane commin and no money to get anywhere. This man came up to me and asked it he could pray for me (mind u i didnt tell him anything that had happened to me) he just felt the need to pray. Well when he started prayin at first i was like what a flake but the things he was askin god for was spot on what i needed. everything that had just happened to me he knew. he told me that god said not to worry it will all work out and very soon that i would be ok. i just looked at him kinda funny and went on my way. I was freakin out still because like i said there was a hurricane commin and my purse was stolen so i had nothing. Well i was sittin there tryin to figure out what i was goin to do and all of a sudden this older man walked up to me and said. I have this feeling in my heart to help u I know ur situation and i will see to it that u are taken care of and get to where ever it is u need to go. He got me a taxi cab and paid $180 for me to get to lolas house and even gave me alil money for while i was there. This man had never met me before and i hadnt told him anything about my situation. I feel that god sent him to take care of me and he did very well. I got where i needed to go in enuff time so that i didnt get stuck in the hurricane and on my way to the cab i had a feelin to check in the trash can and there sits my frickin purse lol. there wasnt nothing in there but my ID's and stuff but thats all i really wanted anyways. so in the end i got a way to get where i needed to be and be safe i found my purse and i now have a new respect for god. But he made himself real to me. even tho it was thru a human person. there is no way anyone can just know that stuff i never said a word to anyone they just knew that i needed. I have never seen this man again. he wouldnt give me his name or addy so i could send the money back. But i have a feelin god is taken very good care of him for what he had done for me. So this is y i belive god is real. it might be different for u all. U just have to open ur eyes and accept that he might not come to u in a god like form it could be someone that just helps u thru a hard time. but u feel it when it happens just open ur hearts and ur minds to the option and stop lookin so much into it. some things are right in front of ur face and u are to blind to see.

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

I really think the search for God is a personal one. If you need something to believe in, you will find God if you look hard enough. On the other hand, for people like myself, I don't feel the need at all to faith in something bigger than me or you, I am satisfied with science, evolution, and I believe that religion is just a security blanket for people who need one.

I just learned that if someone wants to believe, as long as they don't try to force me to believe too, it's their right and if it makes them happy all the better. I also learned there's no point in arguing with them because it always comes down to a question of faith, and there's no counter-argument to faith.

On second thought, I can't really I don't believe, I just don't know... I guess I'm an agnostic then. Even stuff that happened in the Bible, all of it is easily explainable in scientific terms. I saw a documentary on TV that explained each of Egypt's 10 plagues, it fascinating. I saw aother show talking about plants, and Moses's burning bush is a naturally occurring phenomenon because the sap in this species becomes highly flammable (similar to pine sap) and sometimes all it takes is a spark for it to light up.

In the end, I simply believe it's a matter of need. If a traumatic event scars you emotionally, you might need the comfort of religion to help you cope with it. Or you might not.

God, Allah, Yahweh, Zeus, you know what these words all have in common? They all simply mean 'god', no more, no less.

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I really like what you said dude. You worded it perfectly. :)

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

God, Allah, Yahweh, Zeus, you know what these words all have in common? They all simply mean 'god', no more, no less.

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I'm sure It did mean more 3000-7000 years ago. In the beggining. Killing from village to village,rock to rock. when populations accumulate and live together. When tribes merge and kings are ruthless. Not so much love and right choices where made. So much hate,slavery in the beggining so much killing & rapeing has brought today a Good one.

We as a human race have come so far to repeat it all over again. I'd say we are pretty lucky to be living the time we are. It should only get better for OUR children in the future, until the end

If you think we evolved from a molecular gastric plasma parasitic ooze then I feel sorry for ya. EXACT Conditions need to be manipulated for whatever to happen. Who's the manipulator is what you wanna know.

I think I make a good arguement but I could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Junkdogg88

Well, with all the things going on in the world today, I dout the human race will survive that long. On a long enough timeline the survival rate for humans will drop to zero. What I'm getting at is, we are getting to advanced for our own good, technology that is. We are discovering new things every day. And I belive that discovery is the rape of the natural world. Now we have the power to destroy things within a 100 mile radius. If those bombs(Nukes) fall into the wrong hands then were fucked. Nuclear Warfare is inebadable(sp). Its going to happen sooner or later. If the nukes dont wipe everything then radiation will. There will be a nuclear winter, all in all cancer will kill everyone. sorry for sounding so grime but im just telling the thruth


P.S. Sorry for rambling on:)

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That wont happen dont worry. ;)

Lets hope not.

For all you people interested in science and do not believe in God then May I suggest reading 2 books....The first Book is By Marvin L. Lebenow TITLE Bones Of Contention the second book Author Lee Strobel TITLE The Case For Christ This is a journalist's Personal Investigation of the evidence for Jesus. These books may help you understand things you didnt know were there to know.

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Originally Posted by juanskee

If you think we evolved from a molecular gastric plasma parasitic ooze then I feel sorry for ya. EXACT Conditions need to be manipulated for whatever to happen. Who's the manipulator is what you wanna know.

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Are you aware of the size of the universe? Who is to say that Earth is the only planet in the entire universe with walking, talking and thinking creatures? Are you insinuating we are the only? Again, believers like to say God has always been. Well, why can't this state of existance have always been? The 'exact conditions' you speak of could have always existed in some way, shape or form, but just never came together in our part of existance (ie all that we know as a civilization) until as of late. Galaxies and stars are born all of the time. Just not at the same time. There is always something older than the oldest physical entity you can find. There is proof of that. However, there is no proof whatsoever of the magical diety you speak of, excpet for what the believers tell you. With religion, it's always tell tell tell, never show. The only show they have are relics of believers past.
What proof do you have that there even was a 'beginning'? Sure, there was a beginning to our form of mankind, but the universe expands. There are different solar systems.. galaxies and stars that we cannot see, or even know exist. Who's to say that there is no other planet like Earth?
I am sorry if any of the above has offended you. I am not saying that my thinking is absolute by any means. However, my point is, is that the argument of your God always exsiting, is just as believable as the other side's argument, the conditions for life always existing. My only other argument is, that we have more proof of this kind of thinking.
Belief is not proof.

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Originally Posted by clevemire

I really like what you said dude. You worded it perfectly. :)

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thanks for the compliment, cleve :D

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Originally Posted by juanskee

If you think we evolved from a molecular gastric plasma parasitic ooze then I feel sorry for ya. EXACT Conditions need to be manipulated for whatever to happen. Who's the manipulator is what you wanna know.

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Don't need to feel sorry for me dude. I'm pretty happy last I checked. I'm just not a big fan of this kind of condescending tone religious people spout at me. In my post I made of point of saying that I don't care what people around me believe, as long as they don't force their beliefs on me. And yes, a condescending and patronizing tone is a way to try and force your opinion on me.

If it makes you feel better to think that God had something to do with creation, it's your right and I'm happy that you believe in something bigger than ourselves. Maybe you have something to look forward after death, and for that I can only admire you.

I don't believe in any sort of creation. Yes, the odds of everything happening just the way they did on a molecular level is infinitesimally small, yet it happened. and like Cleve said, the Universe is big beyond our comprehension, so who's to say that similar conditions don't exist somewhere else? And supposing they do, we couldn't even begin to imagine what life somewhere else might look like, given entirely different environmental conditions. In other words, there's no way to know until we lok at the right place :)

I major in History in University, and that's one of the main reasons I feel I can't possibly adhere to any organized religion. The way modern christianity came into being, the way organized religion works (more politics than faith), the disgusting excesses of the Catholic Church from around A.D. 800 to 1945, I just can't believe what they tell me to believe. But that's just me, and everyone else is free to form their own opinion.

i like this thread :) lol