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You're sort of just spinning words there though. I could just as easily say that nothing doesn't exist. So everything must exist. And the sum of everything must include nothing, or else it wouldn't be everything. So nothing must exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by afghooey
But it's not really that convincing is it?
Nonetheless, I think there's better evidence in favor of nothing than of something.
nothing/something...light/dark....we define one by the other. So they must both be there....?
Murderer's and rapist's still do what they do, an ultimate reality will and does incorporate these things, perfectly, without disruption, in to it's existance. A belief is just that, and is driven by the same primal urges that control your want to fuck, fight and eat, maybe not with the same initial intensity, but they are inextricably linked by your brain, to seperate yourself from your thought processes, your urges, and then your resulting identity, you find your most natural state of being? A state where everything is the same, although the ability of choice for man is different from beast.
If you want to strip the barrier of physical reality, definitions of matter, things we can actually see and interact with, then surely you won't be able to even begin laying down a framework, in more/less productive actions, emotions, opinions, of peope.
I personally think that the "ultimate reality" (the thing that encompasses all motions of masses, with the passage of time, relative to each and every microsopic/macroscopic body), has got it covered, mine, or anybody else's choices are subsidiary effects, of the ultimate realities working, as, no matter what, nothing (including celestial bodies, different states of matter, different environments, and organisms) has ever been able to throw any type of monkeywrench in to, and "catch out" the ultimate reality, you could kill everybody on earth single handedly, each time coming up with more and more elaborate and undignifying ways of killing them, and no force will come and stop you, then at the end, the earth will keep on spinning, and going around the sun, the cosmos certainly won't give out a cry of love and understanding.
I suppose theres no single thing or force that drives us, every1's different, some people are passive/aggressive, dominant/recessive, and theres no changing that, people never really change, certain things that become apparent to them along life, will change there behaviour, but there is no ultimate truth, as opinion is relative, one person could flip out at the revelations that have brought another contentment. If different schools of thought can co-exist, and things are not bounded by any force that prohibits anybody in acting in any way possible, then wouldn't sitting on either side of the fence when it comes to detached definition of that which is truly real, be paradoxical to your original thought of a boundless universe?
Tramadol's very nice isn't it? Especially with weed and a lil bit of liquor, gave me a bit of trouble taking a shit for about a day afterwards, so I didn't much take it recreationally after a few higher than medical dose attempts, never really topped Kratom though...........even for medicinal value, oh man........did I used to ramble my bollox off about science and its implications when I was floating around on that stuff......kinda get carried away don't ya?
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Originally Posted by afghooey
You should read the kabalion by three initiates. it's hermetic philosophy, and there is much in it pertaining to your thought here.. ..
Junk~
"You're sort of just spinning words there though. I could just as easily say that nothing doesn't exist. So everything must exist. And the sum of everything must include nothing, or else it wouldn't be everything. So nothing must exist."
That might be convincing if nothing were the opposite of something, but it isn't. If nothing was the opposite of something, then it would be true that something can't exist without nothing. But something does exist without nothing, because nothing doesn't exist as anything but a concept. It's a symbol that points to itself.
I'm also curious as to what you mean by "I think there's better evidence in favor of nothing than of something." We're here, we're something That's evidence that something exists. Where is nothing? When we use the word, we usually don't mean it in a literal sense. "What's in that box?" "Nothing." But there is something in the box, if only air. Even vaccuums can't be perfectly empty, there's always something there.
Ah, and thanks Junkyard. Gotta return some books to the library tomorrow, I'll see if I can't find it. :)
mrdevious, i agree with absolutely everything you've said.
You're right mrdevious.
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Originally Posted by mrdevious
I forgot about this thread, but I wanted to say awhile back: sorry for being such an asshole up there, it was a bad day and I had to tell someone off. So I am sorry man.