intelligent design > pure accident

The only part of evolution that has ANYTING to do with chance is random mutations of genetics. Evolution isn't chance! it's a complex system that very particularly selects the most successful organisms and traits.

Yes if this all happened by chance it would be hard to grasp. Thats why b4 evolution was proposed most people believed in the higher power. but now we have evolution which is
1: not supernatural and 2: not random.

Evolution is also not related to the big bang theory. I dont know much about the big bang. But ti's funny how religious believers like PTS will use the big bang theory to support religion (god said let there be light) so he trusts science here on a very new theory which isn't considered fact by scientists. But he dosn't believe science when it comes to evolution, it's very selective.

harris

what put evolution into motion then? doesn't there have to be a cause for everything natural? isn't that a law of physics (every action as an equal an opposite reaction? or am i wrong with that?

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what put evolution into motion then? doesn't there have to be a cause for everything natural? isn't that a law of physics (every action as an equal an opposite reaction? or am i wrong with that?

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The fact that the world is a dynamic environment.

Think of the first organisms the really simple ones, some of them even changed our planet - created the atmosphere we know and need today.

The world and the organisms in it have been changing since then, some would even suggest the driving force behind evolution is the genes themselves. Think of them as "selfish genes" - organisms compete to ensure their genetic line is expressed.

Genes control a great deal in the animal kingdom - its right before your eyes, you don't see harmony in nature you are actually seeing a fine balance of constant struggle.

Now this is just a theory, part of a greater theory I guess - but you see my point.

"Evolution is also not related to the big bang theory. I dont know much about the big bang. But ti's funny how religious believers like PTS will use the big bang theory to support religion (god said let there be light) so he trusts science here on a very new theory which isn't considered fact by scientists. But he dosn't believe science when it comes to evolution, it's very selective."

Harris,
Just to clarify. I believe in science. God can't be detected by science.

Look at it this way. If a man builds a computer. The man can turn the computer on and off as he pleases.
The components in the system don't know why they exist, they just do their job when they are energized.
They don't know who made them. I believe in the science that makes the machine run. But to me, the electricity is life.
Doesn't science point to a grand design? From a master mind?

And you're correct. I'm selective about facts of man. Not selective about the word of God though. :pimp:

Arent the first two choices exactly the same..... Electricity is life????? last time i checked it killed anything that it touches. If your going to belive in Evolution and not god, then u must be intellectual on the points science makes. Anything from Physics chemisty and mathmatics. Everything derives from something And things dont disipate so to say. Other then half-lifes, everything is in a circular motion, what we use in this world get put right back into it, everything comes from something. Electricity is derived from positive electrical charges, its man made on a large scale.

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harris

what put evolution into motion then? doesn't there have to be a cause for everything natural? isn't that a law of physics (every action as an equal an opposite reaction? or am i wrong with that?

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I have no idea! No one does, people only pretend to

I dont know what you belive haze, but if you believe that supports a belief in god you are mistaken. Because by the same logic God would need a cause, so your only delaying the big question by popping god in there

Was time created, or is it eternal? I know it's a manmade concept, but that doesn't change the view that it is actually timeless.

"Time is timeless in the eyes of time, yet time is the essence of all things"

Some things that are, just are...


Love,

Time was created. I believe I will live outside of time. There will be no keeping track of time since the day doesn't end. :pimp:

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I have no idea! No one does, people only pretend to

I dont know what you belive haze, but if you believe that supports a belief in god you are mistaken. Because by the same logic God would need a cause, so your only delaying the big question by popping god in there

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harris, that question does not arrive as my belief is that the universe that we exist in was created from a "higher power" in a different dimension/realm/existence. our universe was created with time which i believe the other does not function on, eliminating the need for a beginning.

i think that my belief is valid and of sound reasoning from my interpretation of the information around us. i believe you have the right to interpret the world around you the way you do. but i think if any human arrives at a point where they say they know the truth 100% and everyone else is 100% wrong, they are setting themselves up for failure. as technology improves we will continue to learn more, and as has happened in the past, new information will again prove old information wrong, though it was once "the scientific truth." claiming to know an absolute truth of this universe, is a pretty bold statement for a being that is less than a speck of dust in the grand scheme of things, in my opinion.

i think science is just as wrong in claiming absolute truth on matters as the religious fundamentalists are in their own way. that is why i think a key word often left out is theory, as much is. for all anyone knows some major discovery could come of dark matter that changes how all the information around us is interpreted. this could change everything like it has happened throughout history. history repeats itself.

i leave full room to be wrong in the end.. i live by my convictions as i hope all of you will continue as well...

sorry if anything in this last post is confusing. i just got a new strain of bud and it is rocking my world...

in closing, i think we can all agree to thank god or alla or evolution or whoever/wahtever for giving us weed... AMEN! ;) take it easy everyone or if peeps want to keep this talk going i am cool with that...

For some reason, all proponents of intelligent design have refused to answer this question of mine:

If it is implausible to suggest that something as complex as life could have arisen by chance, how can you in your right mind suggest that something even more complex than life itself (namely, an intelligent designer who is complex enough not just all lifeforms but the entire universe) just *poof* came out of nowhere by accident?