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Abraham was not close to one of the best presidents. If you think he was, then you need to study up on your history a bit more. You are just listening to the government.
Right after the civil war ended, new inventions would make it cost more to keep slaves than own and take care of them. Slavery would become something that broke down to the point that history would follow to this path. Lincoln just did something a few years quicker.
He made some good speaches, but JFK>Lincoln anyday.
JFK was a womanizer and a cheat on his beautiful wife and Kennedy bootleg money bought his presidency.
He was too much for his time and they took him out.
I think the best president since I have been alive {and I was born a year and 3 months before JFK was shot} is a toss up between Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton.
FDR, Theordore Roosevelt, Washington, Jefferson and others were better than anybody in my lifetime.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
How does JFK get credit for wanting to "banish slavey"? It was all over almost a hundred years before he became president.
Lincoln went to war with the South because they seceded from the Union, not because of slavery. In a letter to Horace Greeley, editor of the New York Tribune, Lincoln wrote: â??My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.â?
ok not banish slavery, but give black people rights... and meh, i knew people would disagree with what i said... i'll admit i don't have the best knowledge on presidents, that's a fact for sure... but every other president i've ever known or heard about, or studied in school were just in general douche bags... and JFK was cheating with marilyn monroe... o.O i prolly woulda done the same thing :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
for example, we all know why bush sucks...
nixon was involved in some huge scandal, i can't remember now, as it was years and years ago when i was in school, but i remember specificly his scandal leaving me with a horrible impression of him
i believe (not sure) jefferson was having a secret life with one of his slaves, and from what i heard, even had kids by her
clinton lied about the stupidest thing, he was better then bush but i still didn't like him much
in general i hate presidents who did or do drugs, then turn around and spread propoganda type shit... it makes them a full fledged hypocrite.
there's others but i'm prolly running out of my 5 minute edit time.
...and this is as close to decriminalization...as we will ever get....sad...I liked Jimmy Carter...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by timothylearyisdead
I think Clinton did a good job... I liked Reagan... Can anyone say Hillery???,,, I think it might be comming to this...
they all had their MAJORfaults
most were incredibly corrupt - it sort of comes with the territory
the best ones were the ones who died before they could do much damage -JFK comes to mind
You've got a good point. It's takes certain traits to succeed in politics and, sadly, that those traits are not goodness and honesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
Advocating the decriminalization of weed doesn't make anyone a good president. Jimmy Carter was/is a great diplomat, and I have nothing but respect for him in this area, but he wasn't an especially good president. He simply didn't have the skills for the job.
I think Reagan was a good president. He came in at a time when America was at a low point. Vietnam, Nixon, and the Iran Hostage crisis etc. had done little for the self esteem of the country as a whole. As an older member here I can remember the days when the newspapers would always have stories about how the Soviets has so many more missles, tanks, troops, etc than we did and that didn't help either. Reagan came in as the flag waving cowboy, jump started the military into wht it has become today, and restored pride to America. For that alone he deserves a lot of credit.
Clinton was also an ok president. Just because he got blown in the oval office doesn't make him a bad guy. JFK fucked anything that moved but people tended to look the other way at that type of thing back then. I don't think Clinton did anything really spectacular that will stand out in the history books, but he didn't really fuck things up either. And lets face it folks, that's about all any pres can really hope for. We have to be realistic, no president can come in and solve every problem in existance. Especially since one person's solution is another person's problem. So as long as they come in and generally steer the ship in the right direction we should be happy.
That being said, George "Dubya" Bush will certainly go down as one of the worst, if not the worst, president in history. Bush is nothing more than an egomaniacal tyrant. He doesn't give a damn about the country as a whole and will do whatever it takes to further his own agenda. Seriously, the only difference between him and Saddam Hussien is that Bush hides behind the American flag. We can only hope he doesn't fuck up more shit over the next two years.
I was waiting for your reply Fengzi,,, I agree almost word for word on your assessment... one thing I would like to add to Clinton's defense is he was probably one of the best book keepers we ever had... who knows what the financial fallout from the Bush years will be...
ronald reagon was the worst. hes the reason our society is so fucked up today.
me im a teddy roosevelt guy all about the conservation of nature :thumbsup: