Elementary Student Threatened With Psychiatric Evaluation After Visiting 9/11 site

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Originally Posted by Bong30

Its OK to get left wing Propaganda but a balanced view? No...No Never right GS.

this is OK though im sure....

Jay Bennish is a social studies, American history and political geography teacher at Overland High School in Aurora, Colorado. He joined the faculty in 2000.

On February 1, 2006, student Sean Allen recorded one of Bennish's lectures on his iPod. Allen took his objections regarding Bennish's class to the media, and this developed into an international story.

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1 The recorded class
2 Media reaction
3 Innaccuracies in the recorded lecture
4 Aftermath
5 See also
6 External links



[edit] The recorded class
After being prompted by students to talk about the State of the Union Address given by U.S. President George W. Bush the previous evening, Bennish suggested that Bush's tone was "eerily similar" to that of Adolf Hitler's speeches (in that both were very ethnocentric), and that capitalism was "at odds with human rights".

^^^^^sounds like YOU GS.....were you in his class????^^^^^^


Bennish also posed the question, "who is probably the single most violent nation on planet Earth?", concurring with a student's response "we [the United States] are". He encouraged students to consider how other nations might see the United States and its allies, suggesting that "to many Native Americans [the American] flag is no different from the Nazi flag," and that Palestinians see the Israelis as "the real terrorists". Speaking about the U.S. "war on drugs" in Colombia, he made a reductio ad absurdum argument suggesting that other countries might have reason to drop chemicals on U.S. tobacco fields "to destroy the tobacco plants that are killing millions and millions of people in their countries every year, and causing them billions of dollars in healthcare costs".

The recording ends with Bennish saying, "I'm not in any way implying that you should agree with me. I don't know if I'm even necessarily taking a position. But what I'm trying to get you to do is to think [â?¦] about these issues more in-depth, [â?¦] and not just to take things from the surface. I'm glad you asked all of your questions, 'cause they're all very good, legitimate questions, and hopefully that'll allow other people to think about those things, too."

GS you are a brain Washed Idiot....you dont even know it...Look up Useful Idiot, and get back to me........

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In political jargon, the term "useful idiot" was used during the Cold War by anti-communists to describe Soviet sympathizers in western countries (particularly in the United States) and the alleged attitude of the Soviet government towards them. The implication was that the person in question was naïve, foolish, or in willful denial, and that he or she was being cynically used by the Soviet Union, or another Communist state. The term is still in use and used more broadly to describe someone who is perceived to be manipulated by political movement, terrorist group, or hostile government, whether or not the group is Communist in nature.

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Brainwashed idiot......or intellectual terrorist? lol. Am I under investigation now because I said the T word? We'd better round up all those communists.....I mean 9/11 Truthers before they tell our imaginary enemies too much!

I am really surprised you Amerikans would fall for the same garbage the Reich put out decades ago. It's all the same with just some different people behind the scenes now. Don't end up as the 'good little Germans' did.

Wasn't it ironic that Amerika became the same evil it was sworn to protect us from?

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Originally Posted by Bong30

I have considered bolth sides....and then I USE MY BRAIN, and make a real decision, Not using just emotion......Bleeding Hart Liberal Ring a bell?

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Maybe you've "considered" both sides, but obviously with incredible bias. Half the arguments I've seen you make here rely on already establishing your preconscieved notions as fact to make the whole of your argument. Just the fact that you think all liberal thinking is the result of solely "emotional" responses and not intellectual critiques tells me that you haven't truly weighed both arguments with impartiality.
Have you even studied the difference between Classical and Reform liberalism? If you want to complain about the bleeding heart liberals, then you're looking mostly at the extreme and modern end of Reform Liberalism.

If you really want to discuss semantics with terms like "bleeding heart liberals" to convey a blanket statement regarding all liberal thinkers, why don't we take a look at conservativism. You know, conservative, as in to conserve - Keep the same, avoid change, hinder progress (for better or worse), maintain the status quo. Political science defines conservativism as "A political ideology generally characterized by a belief in individualism and minimal government intervention in the economy and society; also a belief in the virtue of the status quo and general acceptance of traditional morality". The first section regarding views related to minimal government intervention and individualism is already a central theme in classical liberalism. The clear bias in support of maintaining established morality, plus societal and economic systems, is not exactly a modern phenomenon. No matter what we call them, we've had "conservatives" (those who want to maintain the status quo, or "common sense") and "Liberals" (intellectual reformists who seek change in society) since the dawn of human civilization. It was those filthy liberal thinkers, or "communists" as you like to call them, that are responsible for women getting the vote, the black civil rights movement, the legalization of birth control pills and condoms in 1969, the abolishment of slavery (yes, even Lincoln who was a Republican, was still implementing a liberal ideology), the establishment of social-support systems, the formation of accountable governments, the establishment of democracy itself, the separation of church and state, even the initial split from the catholic church, the legalization of homosexuality as a lifestyle..... I could go on and on with this. Your views toward liberalism (and anything non-conservative really) is incredibly ignorant, biased, and closed-minded from what I've read from you thus far. If all you can go on to establish your views are the worst extremes of liberalism, then you may as well establish an equally negative view toward any and every ideology out there.
And BTW, I voted for the Conservative party last election, I'm pretty impressed with their performance thus far.

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Slightly left...... Please...... Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Wolf Blitzer.... are commie fucking bitches...........

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This reads with the intellectual and emotional maturity of a 12 year old.... though I thought you were against emotionally-driven ideology. Have you even actually read about communism and the base ideology under which it is formed, or do you just childishly call everybody a communist who varries in their ideological stance? Perhapse the certainty with which you deliver your convictions is enough "proof" of your validity in your mind.

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I DONT CARE HOW I SOUND.....POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS GOING TO KILL US.....SAY IT LIKE YOU SEE IT.

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On the literary level, agreed. Though I doubt we're pervieving the concept of political correctness in the same manner.

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Left is socialist theses days.......

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Socialism is necessary to some degree, and exists within every govenrment, that ever existed, which had some degree of fairness.

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Republicans are democrats......

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or perhapse closer-to-modern conservatives.

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real republican Conservitives are hard to find.....

last Great One, was Ronald Regan.....

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Ah yes, the guy who stopped the legalization of weed and got the war on drugs back on its feet. I hear some of his economic policies failed miserably as well. But in some other ways, I agree that he was a good president.

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You dont have any Idea...yes you are Ignorant, about how left wing the teachers are in public schools....(ie ward churchill, and Jay Benish..use google)..... you need to DEPROGRAM YOUR KIDS>>>LIKE YOU.

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It's truly sad that you consider left-wing ideology brainwashing yet can't see the blatant programming that goes on in conservative society. Like puninishing your kids for considering something other than the conservative ideology, that right there is mental conditioning, clear-cut brainwashing.

And I also agree with you that teachers are horribly biased toward the left, particularily here in the Canada. My 8th grade english/social studies teacher would constantly propogandize us that the NDP (a very socialist party) was the picture of perfection. I argued with her tirelessly and even refused to answer some of the incredibly left-wing biased questions on the tests, or answered them by arguing that they're flawed in nature. I got kicked out (and failed) a couple times for that.

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do some looking in on the Teachers Union and come back with an educated response...not emotional bullshit.

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OH YOUR A NAZI RIGHT-WINGER WHOS KILLING THE RAINFORRESTS AND INNOCENCE WITHIN OUR CHILDREN. YOU CAN'T HUG YOUR CHILDREN WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS YOU KNOW!!!

But seriously, and this will come as an astonishing claim to you I'm sure, the only thing I'm going to base ANY of my opinions on is intellectual reasoning. I don't give a shit about Liberals, Conservatives, any of the rabble. As you say, I "call it as I see it". My views definately lean towards that of classical liberalism, but only because a large portion of that ideology happened to correspond with the conclusions I came to. If you really believe you objectively form your opinions and logic, don't be so naive as to actually believe one extremist (or even moderate) ideology has all the answers.

BTW, if you actually do respond with an intellectual response, I'd be impressed and appreciative if you can actually quote and argue against each paragraph individually rather than issueing a blanket statement concluded with the accusation that i'm a communist.

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

Maybe you've "considered" both sides, but obviously with incredible bias. Half the arguments I've seen you make here rely on already establishing your preconscieved notions as fact to make the whole of your argument. Just the fact that you think all liberal thinking is the result of solely "emotional" responses and not intellectual critiques tells me that you haven't truly weighed both arguments with impartiality.
Have you even studied the difference between Classical and Reform liberalism? If you want to complain about the bleeding heart liberals, then you're looking mostly at the extreme and modern end of Reform Liberalism.

Yes cause those are the ones who are going to kill US...

If you really want to discuss semantics with terms like "bleeding heart liberals" to convey a blanket statement regarding all liberal thinkers, why don't we take a look at conservativism. You know, conservative, as in to conserve - Keep the same, avoid change, hinder progress (for better or worse), maintain the status quo. Political science defines conservativism as
VVVVVVVVI can use Google thanksVVVV
"A political ideology generally characterized by a belief in individualism and minimal government intervention in the economy and society; also a belief in the virtue of the status quo and general acceptance of traditional morality". The first section regarding views related to minimal government intervention and individualism is already a central theme in classical liberalism. The clear bias in support of maintaining established morality, plus societal and economic systems, is not exactly a modern phenomenon. No matter what we call them, we've had "conservatives" (those who want to maintain the status quo, or "common sense") and "Liberals" (intellectual reformists who seek change in society) since the dawn of human civilization. It was those filthy liberal thinkers, or "communists" as you like to call them, that are responsible for women getting the vote, the black civil rights movement, the legalization of birth control pills and condoms in 1969, the abolishment of slavery (yes, even Lincoln who was a Republican, was still implementing a liberal ideology), the establishment of social-support systems, the formation of accountable governments, the establishment of democracy itself, the separation of church and state, even the initial split from the catholic church, the legalization of homosexuality as a lifestyle..... I could go on and on with this. Your views toward liberalism (and anything non-conservative really) is incredibly ignorant, biased, and closed-minded from what I've read from you thus far. If all you can go on to establish your views are the worst extremes of liberalism, then you may as well establish an equally negative view toward any and every ideology out there.
And BTW, I voted for the Conservative party last election, I'm pretty impressed with their performance thus far.

You Voted Conservative cause they are Liberal.... the republicans TODAY are a Joke that is why you like them....


This reads with the intellectual and emotional maturity of a 12 year old.... though I thought you were against emotionally-driven ideology. Have you even actually read about communism and the base ideology under which it is formed, or do you just childishly call everybody a communist who varries in their ideological stance? Perhapse the certainty with which you deliver your convictions is enough "proof" of your validity in your mind.

I have emotion when it comes to people hating the country my family has given so much for...SUE ME

On the literary level, agreed. Though I doubt we're pervieving the concept of political correctness in the same manner.

I RULE.....

Socialism is necessary to some degree, and exists within every govenrment, that ever existed, which had some degree of fairness.

Wrong....Social Programs must exist...not socialism......look at the soviet union....tell me what a profit motive is....tell me about the 5 year plan....no no 10 year plan......(remember MR conservitive...small goverment)


or perhapse closer-to-modern conservatives.

????????? Like george Bush...He is Bigger spending, bigger goverment.....thats not conservative...HUH?

Ah yes, the guy who stopped the legalization of weed and got the war on drugs back on its feet. I hear some of his economic policies failed miserably as well. But in some other ways, I agree that he was a good president.

Was I talking about the war on drugs.....(fucking dumb of course)


It's truly sad that you consider left-wing ideology brainwashing yet can't see the blatant programming that goes on in conservative society. Like puninishing your kids for considering something other than the conservative ideology, that right there is mental conditioning, clear-cut brainwashing.

Did you read the BULLSHIT from Jaybennish? He is a fucking commie bitch....... here in colorado great.

And I also agree with you that teachers are horribly biased toward the left, particularily here in the Canada. My 8th grade english/social studies teacher would constantly propogandize us that the NDP (a very socialist party) was the picture of perfection. I argued with her tirelessly and even refused to answer some of the incredibly left-wing biased questions on the tests, or answered them by arguing that they're flawed in nature. I got kicked out (and failed) a couple times for that.

^^^^^ REST MT CASE THANKS FOR MAKING IT FOR ME^^^^^^



OH YOUR A NAZI RIGHT-WINGER WHOS KILLING THE RAINFORRESTS AND INNOCENCE WITHIN OUR CHILDREN. YOU CAN'T HUG YOUR CHILDREN WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS YOU KNOW!!!

YOU CANT HUG YOUR CHILDEREN IF YOU ARE DEAD....dDUUHHHHHHHHHH


But seriously, and this will come as an astonishing claim to you I'm sure, the only thing I'm going to base ANY of my opinions on is intellectual reasoning. I don't give a shit about Liberals, Conservatives, any of the rabble. As you say, I "call it as I see it". My views definately lean towards that of classical liberalism, but only because a large portion of that ideology happened to correspond with the conclusions I came to. If you really believe you objectively form your opinions and logic, don't be so naive as to actually believe one extremist (or even moderate) ideology has all the answers.

Blah Blah Blah......

BTW, if you actually do respond with an intellectual response, I'd be impressed and appreciative if you can actually quote and argue against each paragraph individually rather than issueing a blanket statement concluded with the accusation that i'm a communist.

I couldnt give a Fuck what you think of me........


Remember Liberalism Is a mental disorder.......

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How was that.....?

bong your ignorance and singlemindedness never ceases to amaze me. you believe that anything that challenges the official story is "left wing propaganda" and anybody who challenges your one sided neo-con views is a communist. im sure if you had your way we would build concentration camps to hold people who disagree with you. sieg heil bong30

If it were up to me...people that hate america would not have to die, just leave.... seams easy.. just go some place you like.

Those people....are a cancer, and cancer spreads......


we built concentration camps for the Japanese people.......now they are a great ally.....???? hummmmmm?????

If you want an Omlet, you got to break some eggs...........




Darkside.....IM done. Over.....with all the bullshit....


darkside will be looking at Mushroom clouds over New york saying YES YES allah is great

you proved my point yet again.

Thanks....


I have proven my point, so well....so many times.

Did you watch the show on CNN tonite?

i love how people, people like bong, who assume the people that arent them are always wrong, well, they always think that everyone else is just blindly following an agenda and that the only ones who arent are him and the ones who agree with him.

i dont really care about the 9-11 conspiracy, i dont think the government did it but do think there was more to it than we were told. but christ the kid doesnt need to undergo psychiatric evaluation for it. let me give him a free one right here, he saw his older brother or some other older kid looking at it.


nor do i think that cnn brainwashed the kid. thats ridiculous.
i really dont think my views are really relevant to the point im trying to make what i am trying to say is it is really fucking annoying no matter what your opinions are to have some guy who hasnt heard you out say well keep listening to the liberal propaganda then or keep listening to those conservative lies. yes, people who disagree with you arent slaves following a party. well let me rephrase that a lot of them are, but there are the same amount on both sides of any issue.

if you are saying we should put muslims in concentration camps you need to get a clue. we also dropped an atomic bomb on japan that probably swayed their decision a little more than us putting american citizens in camps. i guess ill just stop here, because arguments like this will go nowhere, any point i make will be chalked up to liberal propaganda or some such shit. all i can say is pull your head out of your ass the air is nice out here m boy

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Originally Posted by Bong30

How was that.....?

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incredibly pathetic. I actually expected you to reply with an intellectual response, and instead you missed 90% of my points and showed once again how you can bias yourself so strongly towards an opinion that you can't even understand or percieve it. I can see you're too trapped in your own self-inflictued illusionary perception to even offer a glint of hope towards intelligent discussion. These are the last few moments I'll be wasting trying to make you fire a few neglected neurons.

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

incredibly pathetic. I actually expected you to reply with an intellectual response, and instead you missed 90% of my points and showed once again how you can bias yourself so strongly towards an opinion that you can't even understand or percieve it. I can see you're too trapped in your own self-inflictued illusionary perception to even offer a glint of hope towards intelligent discussion. These are the last few moments I'll be wasting trying to make you fire a few neglected neurons.

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I would rather be my kind of smart, than your kind of STUPID.