Harassment Tactics

Obviously TJ you're an extremely intelligent individual. Research Engineer? Geez, in a battle of wits with you I'm an unarmed man.

Bullshit.

So maybe I can put your mind to work in helping me figure this all out. Seems I'm surrounded by people with psychosis issues. My brother-in-law informed me he is, in fact, the reincarnation of St. Peter. --could be worse. (At least he's not Jesus I guess.)

Jesus is one of the most common turn-about metaphors in media MC (mind control - unfortunate term). From one who takes the sins of the world upon himself to one who is burdened by his own sins (essentially what Jesus meant to his peers at the moment of his crucifixion as opposed to the centuries afterwards). Whatever it takes to thrust someone into psychiatry. Look for it in context in film and television media. Read between the lines. You'll see what they're up to. John Nash (the nobel laureat was also probably a targeted individual. And the religious figure complex was part of his story too. Read Nassar's book - A Beautiful Mind). Its surprisingly easy to self-perceive as Jesus or some other religious figure amidst the pain and persecution. I did too for a time. For a time, I found God in my CDs back in the shock and awe stage.

http://afafa.org/AFAFA_Media_Continued.htm#Jesus1
http://afafa.org/AFAFA_Media_Continued.htm#Jesus2

"Both of them say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong."
Dire Straights - Industrial Disease
http://www.searchlyrics.org/dire_str...l_disease.html

But anyway, he's absolutely convinced the Government is putting spyware on his computer every time it goes on the glitch.

http://afafa.org/AFAFA_E_Psych_Assaults.htm

He may be right. He may be wrong. But I do know that computer interference is in the arsenal. It's great for driving people nuts. How would you feel if your computer suddenly crashed for no apparent reason or your house power suddenly shut off for a moment just as you were about to finish a long email. If it causes pain, frustration and desperation and can't be proven as a form of harassment, then it's probably in the arsenal.

The careflight hospital helicopter is flying over to watch him, etc..

Dragging a copter's shadow across the ground by sight such that it passes over a targeted individual's home is one of the freak-out techniques in the arsenal. Rule of thumb: If it's something that can make someone paranoid or remind them that they're being watched AND can't be used as proof of anything, then it's probably in the arsenal. It's a paranoia game. It's a fear game.

The whirring of my ceiling fan is actually a frequency sound 'brainwasher'..(or something like that)

Modulating a sound upon the 60 hertz hum that creates a resultant beat-noting sound that is barely legible as a vocal sound (but which doesn't register as such on recordings) does appear to be one of the psych tools in the arsenal, though I haven't experienced it personally.

No amount of talking to him, or evidence would ever convince him otherwise. He spends most of his waking hours obsessing on reasons why this is all true. What would you tell someone like this?

What he's probably really obsessing on is how to be FREE again. All targeted individuals do. So would you, if you suddenly found yourself in the perfect tiger trap. And then, of course, maybe he's a paranoid delusional! It's difficult to tell, because the techniques are designed to EMULATE paranoia and schizophrenia - whatever it takes to thrust someone into psychiatry. And THAT'S part of why it's a perfect tiger trap.

Check out the Politics forum. We have people who believe Illuminati are really reptilian aliens and every single thing imaginable, from dates to pictures on money are all part of some gigantic evil scheme.

All of that is not to say that there aren't real schizophrenics and delusionals out there. And plenty of targeted individuals who haven't the slightest idea of what they're truly experiencing. There are plenty of conspiracy theorists, people who are angry with their government and the world they live in and bad theories. It's a complex world out there. That's part of why the arsenal of clandestine harassments techniques and technologies exist in the first place.

What can you say to someone when you see they're living their lives drowning in suspicion and fear for no real reason whatsoever? It reminds me of when I was a kid, hiding under the covers at night, horrified of the imaginary monsters. I can understand how tormented they must be and it bothers me that there's nothing I can say to convince them to pull the covers back, face the darkness, and realize what they're afraid of just isn't there.

You have no good way to know if it's 'for no real reason whatsoever'. Only they truly do. But 'facing the darkness' is probably good advice - facing whatever thrust them into the tiger trap in the first place. Many people who are targeted probably ARE in need of help or change, but not all. The guiding philosophy appears to be to thrust us into psychiatry, into jail or into the grave or to bend our minds into shape or to give us a heaping helping of punishment and pain by any means necessary or to keep us at the end of a short leash or all of the above. I just wish they would restrict their attention to truly evil people. And/or reform it so that it looks more like justice or at least holds some light at the end of the tunnel for targets.

You've probably got an IQ like a phone number and there's no way in hell my meager little brain is going to be able to 'out reason' you on such matters.

Bullshit.

I'm foolish for even trying but it's tough for me to stand by and watch a life turn into a trainwreck when it's so unnecessary.

It's not easy. If I commanded you to give up smoke for the rest of your life, because it's good for you, would you do it? Why not? After all, the majority says you should. What are you waiting for? What if I gave you a thorough beating to encourage you. Would that make you more or less inclined to obey? Are you just a Skinnerian lab rat or an intelligent being with a will of your own? I face similar dilemmas. And even if I obeyed lock, stock and barrel, I still have no assurance that my troubles wouldn't resurface again at any time, if I strayed from the strictly straight and narrow.

You're a scientist, right? Couldn't you apply Occam's Razor, or some sort of scientific logic to your beliefs to test their validity? Doesn't your research training demand that you question, and requestion your own conclusions?

I was/am an engineer who had the good fortune to have the opportunity to dabble in and support scientific research. But I am not a PhD.

Sure, I've questioned everything at one time or another. There are a number of reasons to be certain. One of them is the fact that I came home from work one day to find the front door to my apartment standing wide open with no sign of break-in and my computer screen, television and CD player missing only to reappear again two days later neatly stacked in front of my front door early in the morning. But most of my experience has been far less... tangible.

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One of them is the fact that I came home from work one day to find the front door to my apartment standing wide open with no sign of break-in and my computer screen, television and CD player missing only to reappear again two days later neatly stacked in front of my front door early in the morning. But most of my experience has been far less... tangible.

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Since most burglaries, statistically, are committed by a 17 year old boy that lives within three blocks of you; wouldn't the most logical conclusion be that his parents caught him and made him return the stuff?...or he's working his 12 step program and was trying to right a wrong?

But anyway, whatever the answers are man. Don't let the World drive you batshit. It has just as many good things in it too.

[QUOTE=Hamlet;1043793 It has just as many good things in it too.[/QUOTE]
Indeed it does. Good morning, Hamlet!

Birdgirl and Hamlet,

Sure, life has many good things in it and one of the best is good friends. And if you ever find yourself harassed in your home with no way to stop it, you'll appreciate the good things you used to take for granted all the more.

All the best to both of you and Breukelen and Josh. Hang in there.

Birdgirl,

Just noticed your profile. I see you're an overachiever (and cute too). Reminds me of someone I used to know. More people need to know that many smokers are overachievers. In fact, it may be part of the reason why they overachieve. They just have a... positive attitude. While at Tech, I would get home from work, have a little and enjoy the flavor, and get right back to work, refreshed and revived, often well into the night. Just enough for attitude enhancement. Not enough to be seriously slowed down. Worked for me.

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Originally Posted by TJOnline

Birdgirl,

Just noticed your profile. I see you're an overachiever (and cute too). Reminds me of someone I used to know. More people need to know that many smokers are overachievers. In fact, it may be part of the reason why they overachieve. They just have a... positive attitude. While at Tech, I would get home from work, have a little and enjoy the flavor, and get right back to work, refreshed and revived, often well into the night. Just enough for attitude enhancement. Not enough to be seriously slowed down. Worked for me.

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Hi again, TJ. Thank you for saying such a nice thing. Yep, guilty as charged of overachieving. I'm not sure where that came from, but I think it was my parents, who were the same way.

Glad to know there are plenty of smokers who are high achievers. You're obviously very accomplished and well educated. We have an interesting mix of both overachievers and unders here on the boards.

I found weed didn't help my brain power or motivation, but I may not have been smoking the ideal strain. We were aiming to get Indica-heavy strains for medical use for my sister, and I partook of those and then wanted mostly to lie around and giggle and do little else. I went clean when school started in August and haven't had the nerve to try smoking again, but that may change. I confess I would love to feel the effects right now, just for pure relaxation, but I'm also struggling with that ethically since the ethics/honor agreement I signed at the beginning of the school term had a very specific clause about no illegal drugs. Not sure how I shall resolve this dilemma yet.

Nice talking with you!

Likewise, Birdgirl. Let us know when you finish med school.

Hamlet, I'm obviously not going to have much luck in convincing you. It wasn't some seventeen year old opportunistic burglar with a conscience, unless he was working in coordination with my then upstairs neighbor who was dropping heavy objects on his bedroom floor to keep me awake at night, who was somehow shutting my hot water off while I would shower turning the water ice cold, and who would stomp the floor above when lines of dialog on my TV like 'You loser' or 'Go kill yourself' would happen by on the radio or television broadcasts.

Let me just drive home the basic point one last time. We all know about 'cause stalkers' - people of a mostly conservative/evangelical bent who hang out and harass at abortion clinics and such to discourage people with opposing views from patronizing such places. People like that are being organized to do much more these days - being given and allowed to expoit surveillance technologies to watch their more liberal fellows in their homes and mock and harass them in-home and elsewhere in all kinds of clever ways that can't be proven and which are designed to seem like products of delusion and mental disorder. They are also sharing what they surveill and can limit access to jobs and other opportunities and generally make life hellish:

http://www.afafa.org/AFAFA_Methods_of_Attack.htm

It's a kind of psychological war going on out there. The depressing thing is that even folks like you, who are prime candidates for being targeted, remain staunchly incredulous and won't even go and sign a petition demanding that government expose and/or end that war and who, if and when you are targeted, will find yourselves just as helpless as people like me who are already targeted in that war. Some things never change.

All the best,
TJ

Sorry TJonline, but it looks like neither one of us is going to have any luck convincing one another. Listen to your story though man, and think about how it must sound. So your upstairs neighbor is stomping on the floor right on que with what's being said on the TV? And he's in cahoots with people coughing at work? If this was the most elaborate scheme in the world devised by some mastermind genius, all powerful in the mysterious ways of mind-control, it would be a multimillion dollar project they would save for someone worth terrorizing, don't you think? Like maybe Bill Gates or some politician?

Think about it man. Nixon couldn't even cover up Watergate. No one is that competent, and, excuse me if I offend, but you're just not that important.

I know evangelical/conservative types. They're dumber than a sack of rocks. All of them. They can't even keep their own affairs in order much less mastermind a superscheme against anyone else.

I know you're between a rock and a hard place. Because there are only two conclusions to draw--either all this stuff is happening with the most outrageous plots behind them and your conclusions are correct; or, you're having some health issues with mild psychosis. The second option is unacceptable to you, so you're clinging to conclusions that just aren't rational.

All I'm suggesting is getting some counseling just to put yourself at ease. It might be something as simple as sleep depravation, or you just need to get some burdens off your chest with someone you can talk to.

But anyway, we've both already come to the conclusion we can't be convinced one way or another. I'm rooting for you anyway man. Take care.

Hamlet,

Thanks for the good wishes.

Heck, Microsoft Corp, the computer, the internet and the myriad three-letter agencies of the US government are all schemes so elaborate as to seem unlikely at first glance. Your argument is like the one creationists use to try to knock down Darwinism/natural selection theory. 'Well, gee, it sounds so complex, that it couldn't just... happen.' In their wishful thinking, the creationists just gloss over the logical underpinnings behind natural selection. (Pardon me if my metaphor is a bit strained).

Dude, it's just a kind of cage that one or more of those agencies can thrust people into to punish, toss into psychiatry, knock down, surveill, etc. It's not that I'm so much important as in trouble and I'm far from the only one in that cage. Do you think one upstairs neighbor makes for an unlikely elaborate scheme? Or that people can't be organized with a few phone calls to kick some guy into shape?

That being said, there is much more to it than that and I too am amazed that something so old could remain so well submerged for so long. I chalk it up to the way that all of the means are chosen to provide no compelling proof, the relative few people in that cage and the relatively large number of people who like it and support it, consider it precious and fight to keep it secret.

We all know that our government has poured a lot of money into developing so-called 'non-lethals'. For example, if along the way they invented a way to project the perception of sound at someone using microwaves (several publically available patent documents exist). Don't you think they would find a use for it? Or would they just say, 'Oh, that's interesting.' and put it away? Plenty of people are complaining of that kind of influence, but not a damn one of them can prove it. And it's all to easy to, with a wave of the hand, chalk it up to mental disorder. So, being unprovable, all of those reports effectively just add to the public perceptions (some of them false) surrounding mental disorder.

You may have seen the politically motivated commercial with the two friends smoking together and one of them shoots the other by accident. We both know that scenario is unlikely, but that doesn't stop the anti-smoking lobby from advancing a kind of politically motivated fiction for strategic purposes. Much the same has happened in conjunction with that 'cage'.

Take care.

Hamlet,

What you or someone else on this forum could expect is more or less as follows:

Say you were dealing or were just a regular buyer. One day, you might find a deck of cards left at your doorstep or maybe a dead bird, people following you in their cars or maybe giving you the finger while passing you on the road or giggling or coughing while passing you in public. Because surveilling you in your home and elsewhere is part of it, you could then expect people here and there to make sly references to anything you might do or say in the privacy of your home (particularly embarassing or personal things). They would do anything they could do to make it hurt and they would do it in such a way that you couldn't really prove anything or claim harassment. They might escalate it to the point of 'jabbering' at you in your home using microwave voce-to-skull or what I call 'click messaging' (making click, thump, light flicker or even the sensation of bee stings upon your body in conjunction with words and phrases that crop up in the radio or television broadcast stream) - utterly unprovable. They might start shutting off your power for short periods. Many people, not knowing what they're going through, get paranoid and fearful as hell. In any case, you would soon get quite sick of it. And there would be absolutely nothing you could do about it. No recourse to law, no warrants, no defense lawyers. Nothing. You would simply suffer until you choose to obey. If you would scoff and say, 'nah, noone's going to go to the trouble', just remember that there are plenty of conservative types that hate you and me and just love to take part in such harassment tactics and do it for fun. If you would scoff and say, 'Nah, they can't do that. It's illegal.' Oh yes they can too. What's to stop them?

If you choose to disregard my warnings, go ahead, but don't blame me if you get bitten in the future. If you want to know what simple things folks like you can do to help avoid that kind of future, just ask. I'll be happy to show you.

Regards.