Why Is Oil Worth Fighting For ?
Howdy LuLu,
Of course,you make some good points,I don't like enviromental pollution either-however..what's the alternative to Sellafield ?
Clean-burning coal plants ? Natural Gas ? Hydro ? Solar ? Oil fired generators ?
Is Sellafield's spent fuel management,the result of poor British control ? There's little incentive,on the part of socialist lackeys to manage such situations..competitive private industry,would do a much better job at spent nuclear fuel management,than an un-motivated,lackadaisial,socialist goverment.
Current technology,is capable of producing a safer,cleaner nuclear power plant..but such possibilities are always stymied by environuts.
Someday,hopefully,fusion nuclear power plants will be possible-instead of the current fission-based plants..even better yet,anti-matter plants would be possible..maybe even Tesla-based power sources..until then,we are basically stuck with what we currently have in terms of energy production.
Also,Ireland doesn't have enough space for solar power or wind power..I would be interested in your take on this subject.
Have a good one...Torog
Why Is Oil Worth Fighting For ?
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Originally Posted by holotrope
are you justifying the war on the basis of oil?
I'm not sure if this was directed at me or Torog??
Either way I will choose to give my take on the subject.
The war on terror is a smoke screen to deflect from the real goal the seziure of the oilfields of Iraq and Afghanistan , there never were weapons of mass distruction (distraction more like) , Saddam was never a threat, the bloody yanks put him and the Taliban into power in the first place.
The US thinks it can use bully boy tactics to dominate all other countries (Vietnam) or will use underhand tactics to undermine a "hostile" goverment and then place someone in power more sympathetic to the US , the real danger in this world comes not from the middle east or China but from the insanely aggressive nation known as the USA.
Another thing about war is what a boost for the economy , how many Americans have gone out and spent good money on "home protection" ?
Gun sales are up , bulletproof vests are selling like hot cakes and the arms manufacturers are all happy little bunnies.
As a final note if anyone is interested take a good look at this link.
http://nogw.com/illuminati.html
Why Is Oil Worth Fighting For ?
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Originally Posted by Torog
Is Sellafield's spent fuel management,the result of poor British control ? There's little incentive,on the part of socialist lackeys to manage such situations..competitive private industry,would do a much better job at spent nuclear fuel management,than an un-motivated,lackadaisial,socialist goverment.
Have a good one...Torog
So privatised companys perform better than state funded??
Explain then why since privatisation all of the companys listed here have earned massive profits yet deliver a much worse service.
Electricity companys (formerly state owned0
water companies (formerly state owned)
Telephones (formerly state owned)
That added to the fact that other state owned companies and assets have been virtualy given away and where does the goverment make up this sudden drop in income??? That's right more bleedin taxes.
If you are a property magnate (local councils rent houses and use the income to finance other projects) what would be best
A Hold onto a lucrative piece of real estate and reap the benefits.
B Sell all your houses so you no longer have an income.
And people in the UK wonder why the taxes are so high , simple realy succesive goverments have sold off all your assets to the highest bidder , state owned means owned by the people, not in the hands of greedy shareholders whose only interest is more profits.
Why Is Oil Worth Fighting For ?
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Originally Posted by psychocat
I'm not sure if this was directed at me or Torog??
Either way I will choose to give my take on the subject.
The war on terror is a smoke screen to deflect from the real goal the seziure of the oilfields of Iraq and Afghanistan , there never were weapons of mass distruction (distraction more like) , Saddam was never a threat, the bloody yanks put him and the Taliban into power in the first place.
The US thinks it can use bully boy tactics to dominate all other countries (Vietnam) or will use underhand tactics to undermine a "hostile" goverment and then place someone in power more sympathetic to the US , the real danger in this world comes not from the middle east or China but from the insanely aggressive nation known as the USA.
Another thing about war is what a boost for the economy , how many Americans have gone out and spent good money on "home protection" ?
Gun sales are up , bulletproof vests are selling like hot cakes and the arms manufacturers are all happy little bunnies.
As a final note if anyone is interested take a good look at this link.
http://nogw.com/illuminati.html
Howdy psychocat,
I see that you've chosen to stop thinking about the alternatives to US policy,and have chosen to spout the standard fare from those who are in favor of terrorist appeasment and terrorist States.instead.
Don't you realize,that the alternative to spreading democracy,is the spreading of brutal islamofascist and commie regimes ?
Do you really hate your freedom that much ?
Do you really believe that islamofascists and hard-line commies,will give up their cherished and stated goals,if we would just look the other way and/or appease them-in order to be safe from their brutal agenda's ?
Do you really believe,that bribing the fox-will save the chickens ?
Why Is Oil Worth Fighting For ?
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Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy psychocat,
I see that you've chosen to stop thinking about the alternatives to US policy,and have chosen to spout the standard fare from those who are in favor of terrorist appeasment and terrorist States.instead.
Don't you realize,that the alternative to spreading democracy,is the spreading of brutal islamofascist and commie regimes ?
Do you really hate your freedom that much ?
Do you really believe that islamofascists and hard-line commies,will give up their cherished and stated goals,if we would just look the other way and/or appease them-in order to be safe from their brutal agenda's ?
Do you really believe,that bribing the fox-will save the chickens ?
The US can't seem to get away from PARANOIA , they are constantly scared of commies, reds under the bed, the yellow peril, the Islamic states , the Vietnamese , each other and almost everything else.
It would be laughable if it wasn't so fucking scarily insane , democracy is a choice so ramming your ideals down someone elses throat is hardly democratic is it???
Why Is Oil Worth Fighting For ?
Howdy psychocat,
You state:" state owned means owned by the people, not in the hands of greedy shareholders whose only interest is more profits."
State-owned,means that there is no incentive to make a profit,nor invest in improvements except to reduce the cost to the State. As a share-holder in a private company,you at least have a voice in operations of that company.
As for the 'greedy'.they can be restrained and held accountable for their actions,through legislation of laws that prevent abuse at their hands. You have no recourse to sue a State-owned industry..thereby holding them accountable for their decisions.
Have a good one...Torog
Why Is Oil Worth Fighting For ?
And what about my statement on paranoia and democracy??
Why Is Oil Worth Fighting For ?
psychocat, it was directed at Torog, I agree with your points, and agree that Bush hid behind the evangelical crusade mentality as well as the Orwellian "foreign threat" mechanism in order to gain support for violent uncalled for attacks just to serve his own agenda- No different than the terrorists he's supposed to be fighting. Now torog, I understand the influence that oil has over the economy- indeed that's why Bush is refusing at this very moment to ease up the oil-price choke hold on the world by releasing some of the US strategic oil reserves. THIS kind of self-interest and selfishness can be understood- while I don't respect it- it is indeed America's right to use those reserves when they will benefit America the most. America, however, does NOT have the right to OCCUPY and INVADE a SOVREIGN nation just to protect their own economic interests. If the only immanent threat was economic, I think we've just highlighted the avarice-driven nature of your current administration, NOT justified a war. If you can with a clean conscience consider 100,000 Iraqi deaths a reasonable means to the end of keeping your economy that little bit stronger, then all your "principles" that your faith is supposedly teaching you are as corrupt as Bush's. Peace.
Why Is Oil Worth Fighting For ?
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Originally Posted by psychocat
The US can't seem to get away from PARANOIA , they are constantly scared of commies, reds under the bed, the yellow peril, the Islamic states , the Vietnamese , each other and almost everything else.
It would be laughable if it wasn't so f*cking scarily insane , democracy is a choice so ramming your ideals down someone elses throat is hardly democratic is it???
I prefer free,democratic societies to dictatorships,democratic societies,have the best chance for preserving human rights-are you saying that only some people deserve to have freedom-and the rest-are simply doomed ?
Because of America..you ain't speakin german and marching in goose step-America ,helped to liberate over a billion people in the 20th century,we've got a good start in this century,by liberating over 50 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Without the US,Europe would quickly fall to the commie chinese and Russians-so pick what you stand for..Freedom or brutal oppression..it's your choice.
Why Is Oil Worth Fighting For ?
Yeah sure , thats why the chicken shit yanks didn't come in till it was all over .
The mess made on Omaha beach is proof of the incompetence of yanks at war.
Not content with killing brits (friendly fire?? what's fuckin friendly about a bullet up the arse from some trigger happy John Wayne wannabe) they use napalm indiscriminately , bomb and terrorise civilians and generaly make a complete hash of everything.
Vietnam - complete cock up
Pinochet - American backed dictator
Saddam - Ditto
The taliban - Ditto
Not satisfied with being useless (who else celebrates their defeats (The Alamo? Pearl harbour?)) hollywood then tries to re-write history to make it look like the yanks were the only allied force and tries to steal the thunder of other nations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/773913.stm