Like which has been done with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait........Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
Same countries by the way which have denounced Hezbullah.:dance:
GREAT POINT!:rasta: :smokin:
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
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Like which has been done with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait........Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong30
Same countries by the way which have denounced Hezbullah.:dance:
GREAT POINT!:rasta: :smokin:
Have a good one!:thumbsup:
Aaron..okay..now your post gave me a mental image I can identify with on why Israel is HAVING to do what they are...not sure who you were referring to when you said "my God man" but if it was me..just to clarify I am a woman.
I respect Israel but no I do not support innocent people dying & that goes for any kind of killing for any kind of reason that kills innocent people.
I never believed Israel wanted to just kill..I just wanted it explained why there is not a better way for them to accomplish what their mission calls for.
it was just a saying.. the way i talk.. it was NOT directed at anyone or anything.
its true though.. if their government made any attempt to control hezballah israel would still be on their side of the sand box. I hate to see innocent people die but I hate to see a whole civilization constantly terrorized. Their tactics may seem aggressive but they are not dealing with an enemy that is easily identified and they do not have the massive army like america does to go thru a foriegn country with a fine tooth comb and break as little glass as possible. They have to hit hard and fast and 100 times harder than the terrorists did just to make any kind of headway.
Well, how would you recommend Israel react? Keep in mind, the land Hezbullah says they are fighting for is some tiny little pissant farmland that the U.N. said was part of Israel. That pissant little piece of land is just Hezbullah's excuse to keep attacking Israel, so that they don't have to break out the plain-ol'-racial-prejudice excuse.
Lebanon's government isn't strong enough to control Hezbullah, so what you have is a terrorist organization, propped up by Iranian funding, operating in Lebanon and using that as their base to launch attacks against Israel. By various U.N. decrees, Lebanon was supposed to keep the terrorists away from the Israeli border, but they haven't, because they haven't the strength to make Hezbullah do anything.
So, you've basically got criminals in Lebanon, in areas that they have been forbidden to go to by the U.N., attacking Israel. Israel has asked that Lebanon make Hezbullah stop these attacks, but the attacks continued. At some point, your average Israeli citizen must hold his or her government responsible for providing security and defense. If talking doesn't accomplish that goal (it didn't), then you have to move on to some other tactic. In this case, Israel has decided if talking to Lebanon and Hezbullah isn't going to work, then perhaps blowing the crap out of them for a while might make them more amenable to talking. Whether that works or not remains to be seen, but clearly talking alone wasn't making the Israelis any safer in their homes.
If Mexicans started lobbing bombs and striking into U.S. soil with soldiers, we'd probably try talking to them about it first, just as Israel did. But if the attacks continued, I can guaran-fucking-tee you that we'd go bomb the crap out of them until they realized the error of their ways. While I feel sorry for the innocent Lebanese being killed (and the innocent Israelis being killed, for that matter), the people in Lebanon have indirectly put themselves in this position by allowing a terrorist organization to have so much power in their country.
These are good and practical points from an Israeli perspective. The trouble is a lot of the member nations of the U.N. feel differently... and, oh, yeah, except the U.S.
However, I think Lebanon wants this to happen. It's like getting a prostate check; It hurts but it's an essential part of preventive medicine. :thumbsup:
I don't agree jamstigator about the people of Lebanon being indirectly held responsible. That is like saying the innocent people that died on 9-11 should be indirectly held responsible for what those terrorist perceived as a wrong unto them? My recommendation would be that Israel could have went about this differently,in a more direct way toward those who are responsible because they sure as heck have not accomplished their mission of stopping hezbollah now have they? So what is their next tactic? Just keep bombing & killing more innocent people?
I have read of more terrorist plots being stopped in this country & one in Canada I believe but we are not still bombing the hell out of Iraq because of those people. Your right about talks not stopping them but all this bombing crap & killing those innocent people haven't worked either..what will be next.
Well maybe you could add woman to the way you talk okay..see how many men like that one...just say My God Woman!:) At least you don't think killing innocent people is justified..we disagree on most but you acknowledge you hate to see innocent people die..on both sides of this issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron385
Hezbullah is a terrorist organization (and recognized as such by the vast majority of nations). And they have members in Lebanese parliament. So, in part, the Lebanese government is comprised of terrorists, because the people elected them. This is where the Lebanese people are responsible. If they don't want terrorists operating in their country, they wouldn't elect them to positions in government, or allow them to use Lebanese territory to stage attacks. Since they *do* want terrorists operating in their country, they have to be willing to pay the price for that; that is what Israel is making crystal clear. Some lessons are hard-learned; this is one such lesson.
An Israeli spokesperson said it best.. "we would love to bomb only military targets but they put military supplies in their living rooms with their families"
I think it is very irresponsible to criticize a societies actions in response to a level of terrorism most Americans could not even dream (nightmare) of. Jump on a plane and go stay a night at the Hilton in Televive and enjoy running to the basement (bomb shelter) every 30 minutes. Now imagine doing that for fifty years. Its impossible to even imagine living like that.. because somebody doesnâ??t like your religion. But who cares if a bunch of Jews get killed on the other side of the world right?? Itâ??s only "wrong" if they fight back. Moron.
Seriously..
"That is like saying the innocent people that died on 9-11 should be indirectly held responsible for what those terrorist perceived as a wrong unto them? My recommendation would be that Israel could have went about this differently,in a more direct way toward those who are responsible because they sure as heck have not accomplished their mission of stopping hezbollah now have they?"
Please inform yourself before you post. When a missile is launched from their side of the fence (in the direction of Israel with no specific target) Israel goes to the place (house) the missile came from and blow the shit out of it. Kill everyone and their families. Thatâ??s what you get for launching a missile at Israel.. maybe even all your neighbors are killed too.. if it gets the point across they will blow up the whole freaking block. If someone on my block launched a missile to terrorize anybody I would drag them out on to the street and blow their brains out.. take a picture of me doing it.. then send a apology with the picture to whoever got hit by the missile and assure them it wont happen again. The fact that part of Lebanon could care less is the reason Israel is forced to make them care.
Aaron,I will post when I want..where I want...within posting guidelines on this forum whether you like or accept the fact I am informed or not.
Also I still say that Israel should not be killing innocent people such as they are doing..and I don't need to be "informed" to know what I feel in my heart or what my opinion on war,killing,bombings etc..are.
And I just know you didn't call me a moron?
What is irresponsible is attempting to insult me for what my opinion on this issue is so please learn some responsibilty before advising me to do the same.
As far as you stating if anyone on your block launched a missile you would drag them out on the street and blow their brains out etc etc....be glad you have the freedom to own a gun to do that..and that your not held in fear of retaliation toward you or your family for doing that..none of us here know what it is like for the innocents caught up in this crap.