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I'ld not like to have an argument please, but this seems a bit excessive.
1) RO water
2) calmag+
3) b-52 or liquid karma
4) Then you can add blooms
5) and bigbud
Holy crap I would go crazy trying to organize all that. I'll stick with well water and Tiger Bloom, and consider the Superbud thing that Relic speaks of.
well, for one thing...If you don't have 1000w, you really don't need co2, because the plant/atmosphere creates enough natturally...smaller lamps durn burn off co2 at the rate a 1000w does...FYIQuote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
locnar has a clue...nuff said. lw
I know. And I don't have a clue.
We are all still learning, aren't we?
I've got 600 watts, and I would like to try adding some co2. Is that so insane? I've heard good things.
No, it is just that co2 is not the cure-all monster growing miracle...unless you know what you are doing...It takes a fairly elaborate set-up and alot of tweaking to get co2 settings right...Hell you can fry'em with co2 if you are not careful...
sorry, I wasn't trying to be an A'Hole..Opie...My back is Killing me and I am out of Indimeds...Not smoke...just Indi....lol
there is a ton of crap out there...Yes, you are right, but to make a general statement that all additives are a waste of money...That is not true...
you can grow anyway you want, and everybody does...You can't always put Stock in the fact that a product didn't show results...How do you know every other aspect of the grow wasn't messed up? that's all I'm saying
but 1st...it is a fact that optimum results are obtained...using reverse osmosis water. When you put water through the RO process...it takes everything out good and bad. So you have to replenish your beneficial elements. OK? We like Calmag+ for this, but now...many other nutrient companies are following suit. That tells you something too.
about the other additives. Everyone believes in adding potash for bloom...well that's big bud. and big bud is a one of a kind product...I have asked every kickass hydro guy I know...and I talk their ears OFF!!! they all say the same thing when I try to find an alternative that is close...the element/mineral values of big bud are not matched by any product on the market. I don't know.
I have seen a great big giant difference in the use of Liquid Karma and Not using Liquid Karma...
Infact...I had to quit using it on my tomato's because the Damn tomato's were growing all over the frickin' place.
best part? It's Organic. the only other additive that I truly think (expensive!!!!!!) makes a vast difference in buddage is VooDoo Juice...but @ 65 bucks a liter...I can do without that...Until I shit a GOLD brick LOL Oh and of course I do keep a little bottle of Superthrive.
hope all is OK, Keep it up. Enjoy
Thanks latewood, I'm starting to get it. LOL. Opie, No problems here, This is just everybody helping each other. And you need budblood for one week into 12/12 then big bud. When you start you have to try some of them or you don't really know. There are at least 12 more add ons to that list. It's just what I have tried. I had some samples of LK and am going to order some. If lw says VooDoo juice is the shit, then I will shit a gold brick and try it. LOL. At least once. it's just 65 bucks. Yes it hard to decide on things but how you going to know if you don't try. I just want the basics too. Remember it's easier to try than to prove it can't be done and it's easier to stay than to turn around and run.
I am not an expert by any means, and I'm sorry if I gave off that stank.
It's just that for me, I spend too much time already on my weed project, and I used to grow in dirt awhile back, so I am still amazed at the results I get from using only Tiger Bloom. I am not the one who said that all additives are a waste of money. I merely was trying to point out that for the same effort and expense there are other ways that would increase the yield much more efficiently than adding at least 12 more add ons, such as increase in light or co2, or even something as simple as ventilation or humidity. I think people tend to get all caught up in the Hydro hype and don't take care of the basics first - the stuff that could really make the most difference. I am not suggesting by any means that you guys are doing that.
I don't think co2 is the cure-all yield buster, and I have done some research into this. That is why I have been putting it off. I have to tear apart my setup and redo the ventilation system. I didn't understand how co2 worked when I first made my grow room, and I didn't bother to find out. I thought I could just add it later if I wanted to, but that's not how it works. You need to plan accordingly in the design stage. The really suckie part is that much of my ventilation is behind the wall. But I digress...
So, teach me oh great ones. If I were to add one additive to my Tiger Bloom, what would you guys vote for. Keep in mind that I have spray jets and cannot have any "chunks" in my nutes. I have seen a lot of brand names flying around this post, could we narrow it down a little? And what percentage would you expect this would increase my yield. I know, too many factors, just guess please.
And Relic, I am still waiting for you to go into more detail.
Opie, the add ons I speak of are all kinds of nutes. It's so confusing to many of us what works and what doesn't. If your setup works and you get good yeilds then don't mess with it. I wish I could go co2 now but I can't. No money. LOL. I'm lucky to be where I am now. It's all good in the learning to say what works for you. I don't think you need alot just keep it simple. Wish I had co2. Let us know how it does for you. I'm still waiting for big Z's books. No problems here. Let's keep learning.
I will definately update on my co2 when it happens. I was trying to get it going after this harvest, but now I am so out of time I am going to have to wait another 2 months, until next harvest.
I started visiting this site mainly because ICmag was down, OG is down, etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by latewood
While my post count may be low here, and I obviously haven't proven myself, I do know what I'm doing. I've been around for quite awhile heh. I use the handle ringstostar and relic2279. I was a moderator with IndyK over at reefermans website for awhile on the PIF (vip) forum.
I understand that you are probably the resident big dick around here and I'll respect that.
I've been growing for nearly 6 years now. About a year and a half ago I had a thread over at Overgrow testing a few different popular additives. I had a control, and used clones. Everything was sterile and well documented. Not a single one showed any markable increases in yeild. (Potency was not tested)
Every single one except superbud that is. Which I'm going to go into next.
Quote:
Everyone believes in adding potash for bloom...well that's big bud. and big bud is a one of a kind product...I have asked every kickass hydro guy I know...and I talk their ears OFF!!! they all say the same thing when I try to find an alternative that is close...the element/mineral values of big bud are not matched by any product on the market. I don't know.
Bigbud's potash is not needed, at least, for the affect the consumers are buying it for. What Bigbud does is almost stop the stretch during flowering, forcing the plant to focus more of it's energy in creating and increasing budsize and flowers.
Bigbud was recently taken off the market because it did not disclose the regulated plant hormone it contained. That hormone is what people buy Bigbud for. Why charge almost $200 for a bottle? Because it worked.
Going into more detail;
The plant hormone, Abscisic acid inhibits the new shoot growth as well as promotes fruit ripening. Added during flowering is very, very benifical due to the fact that this is when the most stretch occurs. Superbud was the only additive to contain this. Once it was found out, it got taken off shelves. They must go through the proper procedure and registration applications before dutch master is allowed to sell this product again.
Superbud also contained an important, secondary hormone in a miniscule amount.
It's a plant cytokinin (hormone) called Zeatin. This hormone stimulates lateral bud growth and promotes cell division in the buds (flowers) themselves. While somewhat effective, results are mixed with this product because once stretch is inhibited, the plant already is using most of it's energy for bud formation.
And Zeatin is expensive. ($100 for 50mg) :eek:
So to make good on my promise. I'm still looking for my exact reciepe (once OG went down, I lost alot) but a solution of P, Abscisic acid and RO water will give you your own Superbud.
Links. To teach yourself a bit more about plant hormones, check out this newbie friendly website. (As layman as I could find for you guys anyway):
http://www.plant-hormones.info/
Now to purchase your own Abscisic acid, check out:
http://www.biosynth.com/index.asp?to...&sc=5&intro=no
or
http://www.abscisicacid.com/
They also sell Zeatin, but be warned. There is sticker shock.
Any questions, feel free to ask away. I have made this solution myself and it works like a charm. Mine is actually a bit stronger then DutchMasters because I added a tad more AA. You can tweak it to your own needs however.
~r