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Originally Posted by Great Spirit
Dude, this is nothing new to me. Radical Christians kill too!! Try reading up on the Crusades as well. The "Christians" slaughtered many innocents in the name of God as well. They are the same as the radical Muslims.
Remember too that in the Old Testament, it is commanded by God that every homosexual and adultress is to be stoned to death. Funny how they will nitpick at Islam for being warlike, yet most of our media refuse to acknowledge this verse.
LOVE!! NOT WAR!!!
Ring ring school bell kids............
here is some information for you GS. we learn from our mistakes... do muslims?
The Crusades, the Inquisition...
Apology of the Pope
Understanding the Crusades, the Inquisition...
The history of the Church of Christ is a history of sinners and saints, since its beginnings:
Of the 12 Apostles chosen and taught directly by Jesus for three years one became Judas, and the other 11 Saints... and of those 11 Saints, Peter denied Jesus, and all of them abandoned Jesus at Calvary, only John was present.
Following this pattern, in the history of the Church there have always been a Judas among 11 Saints, and those Holy Saints always did something wrong in their lives, before becoming eventually Saints... there will always be good seed and bad weeds in the Church, bad and good fish, it is a prophecy of Jesus (Mt.13:24-30, 48-49).
Even to Peter and his successors Jesus promised infallibility, but never saintliness!... Jesus Himself called Peter "Satan", even after His promise of infallibility (Mt.16:19, 23)... and the same Peter is the one who denied Jesus, swearing he never new Him in the critical moments when He was being judged (Mt.26:69-75).
This is the reason of the history of the Crusades, the Inquisition, and many other wrong doings of the Church of Christ on earth... and, of course, the history of the more good things done by the Church of Christ in the last 2000 years. You can see some of them in http://religion-cults.com/Christiani...-C-General.htm
However, Muhammed himself fought many wars, and he is the example for the Muslims... but Jesus Christ never exercised any political power, never fought a war, and anytime Christian leaders have done politics or wars it has been a disaster, a shameful stain on Christianity... definitely, the mixture of Religion and Politics is a deadly poison... in Christianity, in Islam, and in every religion!...
Jesus always is telling us what he told Peter:
"Then they came up and laid hands on Jesus and seized him. And behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest, and cut off his ear. Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?. But how then should the scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?"... "But Jesus said, "No more of this!" And he touched his ear and healed him." (Mat.26:50-54, Lk.22:51)...
Love and service and prayer and forgiveness were the weapons of Jesus, and love and service and prayer and forgiveness should always be the weapons of a Christian.
However, Jesus also taught Christians to fight back in self-defense:
1- With his words, in Matthew 23:
One of the most impressive chapters of the New Testament, with the seven strong woes for his enemies, the scribes and Pharisees.
Here is the seventh one: "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but within you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity." (Mt.23:27-28).
2- With his deeds, in Matthew 21:
"And Jesus entered the temple of God and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, "It is written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer'; but you make it a den of robbers." (Mat.21:112-13).
The Crusades:
The Crusades were a series of wars initiated by Christians to win back their holy lands from Muslims, with a total of 8 Crusades in almost 200 years:
the first, 1095-1101;
the second, headed by Louis VII, 1145-47;
the third, conducted by Philip Augustus and Richard Coeur-de-Lion, conquest of Jerusalem, 1188-92;
the fourth, during which Constantinople was taken, 1204;
the fifth, which included the conquest of Damietta, 1217;
the sixth, in which Frederick II took part (1228-29); also Thibaud de Champagne and Richard of Cornwall (1239);
the seventh, led by St. Louis, 1249-52;
the eighth, also under St. Louis, 1270.
The reason for the Crusades:
By the end of the 10th century, the spread of Islam had all but stopped and a comparatively stable state of affairs existed between Muslims, Jews and Christians with the latter able to make pilgrimages to Jerusalem, which was at that stage under Muslim rule.
This state of affairs came to an end however, with the aggressive expansion of the Turks who were ambushing parties of Christian pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem. The various routes to Jerusalem had been relatively safe and these sudden attacks alarmed the European Christians for whom pilgrimages were very important.
With the Byzantine Empire under threat from the Turks, the Emperor Alexius swallowed his pride and sent a request to Pope Urban II in Rome for help.
This cry for help was a perfect opportunity for Pope Urban to regain some influence over Constantinople and also fulfil his obligation to protect the rights of Christendom.
On 27 November 1095, thousands gathered outside the cathedral in Clermont-Ferrand in France to hear Pope Urban II's message. At this great gathering he called Western Christendom to take up arms and liberate the Holy Land. With the Pope's message stirring them to fever pitch, they shouted, "God wills it!" and began to sew the sign of the cross on their tunics. Within months, thousands had started the long trek eastwards, anxious to bear the sword in the name of Jesus Christ and to free Jerusalem from the Muslim infidel.
Jerusalem was taken from the Muslims on the third Crusade, by Philip II King of France, and Richard I (Coeur-de-Lion) King of England.
The Crusaders had to set up a state. They took counsel as to who should be chosen to rule in the Holy Land. After much intrigue, Godfrey of Bouillon, Duke of Lower Lorraine, was offered the title of king. He chose instead to be called the Defender of the Holy Sepulcher, saying that he could not wear a crown of gold in the city where his Savior had worn a crown of thorns.
In 1187 Saladin, who had overthrown the Fatimid caliphate in Egypt, expanded his power into Palestine and seized Jerusalem.
In 1291, when Acre fell, Christian rule in the Holy Land ceased to be a matter of practical politics.
During the many battles of the Crusades there were many atrocities, both by the Christians and by the Muslims. The Muslims won more battles and eventually the War, seizing Palestine and Jerusalem for hundreds of years... so, they had more opportunities to commit atrocities, and indeed they did!... though many historians don't even mention one of them!.
Some historians believe that the starting of the Crusades was a Just War, I believe so too.
http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/link.asp?ref=19838
Other historians believe that the initial spirit of the Crusades was changed into Western Europe's most ambitious common enterprise and its most conspicuous failure was the attempt to bring together all mankind in Christian unity under the leadership of the bishop of Rome, St. Peter's successor, the pope. The most intense part of this enterprise and the one that enlisted the most widespread support in Europe from all levels of society was the Crusades.
http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/...1crusades.html
http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/link.asp?ref=11822 Crusades: Truth and Black Legend
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm Catholic Encyclopedia, the Crusades
An Apology:
A sincere Apology for the wrong doings is always a very healthy sign, because the recognition of past wrongs serves to reawaken our consciences to the compromises of the present, opening the way to conversion for everyone.
The Church of Christ has often apologized for the wrongs of the pass, for the Crusades, the Inquisitions... I would like to see apologies of Islam for the wrong doings of the pass, for the 1001 battles with millions dead, for the 800 years of conquest and blood shed in Spain, for those 600 years in Portugal, Greece 500 years, Sicily 300 years, Serbia 400 years, Bulgaria 500 years, Rumania 400 years, Hungary 150 years... for the bloody conquests in Africa and Asia for hundreds of years... for the atrocities now going on in Sudan, with already 2 million people dead for the only crime of being a Christian...
I sincerely apologize for the atrocities of the Crusades and the Inquisitions, and for my own wrong doings... and I pray God to have mercy on all of us in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. The last official apology made by the Church was done by the Pope himself, by John Paul II, on March 12, 2000.You an read the full text on Apology of the Pope.
John Paul II says:
"We forgive and We ask Forgiveness"... "We cannot fail to recognize the infidelities to the Gospel committed by some of our brethren, especially during the second millennium. Let us ask pardon for the divisions which have occurred among Christians, for the violence some have used in the service of the truth and for the distrustful and hostile attitudes sometimes taken towards the followers of other religions"...
"Let us confess, even more, our responsibilities as Christians for the evils of today. We must ask ourselves what our responsibilities are regarding atheism, religious indifference, secularism, ethical relativism, the violations of the right to life, disregard for the poor in many countries"...
"We humbly ask forgiveness for the part which each of us has had in these evils by our own actions, thus helping to disfigure the face of the Church"...
"For the role that each one of us has had, with his behavior, in these evils, contributing to a disfigurement of the face of the Church, we humbly ask forgiveness."
The Pope apologized generally for all sins, but specifically for sins in the service of truth, sins against Christian unity, against Jews, Muslims, Indians, Africans... against respect for love, peace and cultures, against the dignity of women and minorities, and against human rights.
The sins were not specifically enumerated. But when you boil them down they come to this ?? they are political acts by an institution of faith: the Crusades, The Inquisition, persecution of Jews, the forced conversions of Indians and Africans, acts to preserve the power and enrich the Church, acts committed in Concert with Monarchs bound to the church by oath.
Commentary to the John Paul??s Historic Apology http://www-tech.mit.edu/V120/N14/col14kris.14c.html
Vatican Apology, April 8, 1998
On March 1998, the Vatican issued a 14-page report that apologized for the Catholic Church's silence during the Holocaust http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/relig...ican_4-8a.html
POPE JOHN PAUL II: (translated) We are deeply saddened by the behavior of those who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer, and asking your forgiveness we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood with the people of the Covenant
REV. THOMAS REESE: Well, there was a lot of reluctance within the Vatican to talk about past sins at all. But this pope has a real sense of history, a sense... I mean, he's the one who apologized for how the Church treated Galileo. He's done it about how the Church treated the Jews. He's mentioned the Muslims, I mean, he's mentioned most recently in this confession: women. So this is a Pope who's courageous in facing the sinfulness of Christians and calling on them to do better. He knows what he wants to do, and he says it. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/relig...logy_3-13.html.
Crusades Apology 900 Years Later:
http://www.soon.org.uk/page15.htm
http://www.beachbrowser.com/Archives...ears-Later.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/dodone/Crusades.html
Some 500 people from more than 30 countries converged on Jerusalem to apologize for the Crusades. Over the previous three years and four months, 2,500 people participated in the interdenominational walk, following the original Crusaders' path, starting in Cologne, Germany, continuing through Turkey, down to Syria, Lebanon, Israel and ending in Jerusalem. Along the way they met with local residents and shared with them their message of apology and reconciliation.
"We have apologized to Muslims, Christians and Jews throughout the region, but this is one specifically from us as members of the Western Church to the Eastern Church. Please accept our apologies," Lynn Green, international director of The Reconciliation Walk.
Democrats - World's second largest Death Cult
Howdy Bong30,
Great post :thumbsup:
Thanx ! :)
Have a good one :stoned:
Democrats - World's second largest Death Cult
Bravo, Torog..... Great Spirit, Prozac or maybe lithium, give it a try.
Jamstigator, you got it backwards, look up Abe Lincoln, do some reading.
Miss Green why don't you tell us what is really going on....Seriously, I do not get NPR or Air Amerika.
Democrats - World's second largest Death Cult
most religions are manipulative and oppresive,and in 42 years ive never seen a single bit of evidence to support any religion,if anything we should worship the planet we live on,instead of ripping it apart the way we are now.
FREEDOM AND PEACE TO ALL
Democrats - World's second largest Death Cult
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Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy Miss Green,
We tried diplomacy and UN resolutions,as well as a 48 hour dead-line,before invading Iraq..saddam would not comply..so he got his come-uppins. If it turns into Vietnam,it will be because of the politicians making stupid decisions..not because of the mission.
As for Bush,I have alot of dis-agreements with the way that he's handling things,like the border,for instance. As for the ,military,I joined when I was 17,back in '76..I'm too old and crippled to go back in,but if they would let me-I would.
Ah yes...the old "yer an un-educated hick" slur..a typical liberal tactic of attacking the messenger and ignoring the message..lol. I have 2 years of college electronics under my belt,as well as what I was taught in the Navy..you might want to try a different tactic..lol.
Fengzi -- thanx for setting the record staright-in regards to the democrappers and slavery:thumbsup:
Have a good one ...
So you would risk your life for bush even though you disagree with somethings that bush does?Hmm doesn't make sense you would think that you would be dedicated whole heartly in order to go over and risk there lives for this so called war.And no I am not trying to attack the so called messenger its a matter of truth/fact so who is kidding who-what you really believe that the whole 9/11 happened the way you originally heard?Do you think it truely makes sense?Just have a look at the whole thing if you got a copy of it ethier on video and come back and tell me that it doesn't look suss cause just everything about it is.open your eyes.
Democrats - World's second largest Death Cult
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Originally Posted by Great Spirit
Dude, this is nothing new to me. Radical Christians kill too!! Try reading up on the Crusades as well. The "Christians" slaughtered many innocents in the name of God as well. They are the same as the radical Muslims.
Remember too that in the Old Testament, it is commanded by God that every homosexual and adultress is to be stoned to death. Funny how they will nitpick at Islam for being warlike, yet most of our media refuse to acknowledge this verse.
LOVE!! NOT WAR!!!
all that needs to be said GS is..... Gee bong30 it sounds like you are right on that one..........christians did learn from the crusades, you were right, and ill try to educate myself before i spout shit again.
NOT LEFT OR RIGHT.............................. RIGHT OR WRONG
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Originally Posted by jamstigator
Didn't the Republican Party arise out of the south, and wasn't it comprised largely of racist white men and successionists? Ah yes, it was. That would then make the Republican Party primarily responsible for the millions of deaths during the Civil War, and thus make them the biggest killer of Americans ever, moreso than every terrorist organization on the planet combined.
Yup, rhetoric rocks.
talk about jay bennish..ward churchill waanabe ^^^^^^
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Originally Posted by Miss Green
So you would risk your life for bush even though you disagree with somethings that bush does?Hmm doesn't make sense you would think that you would be dedicated whole heartly in order to go over and risk there lives for this so called war.And no I am not trying to attack the so called messenger its a matter of truth/fact so who is kidding who-what you really believe that the whole 9/11 happened the way you originally heard?Do you think it truely makes sense?Just have a look at the whole thing if you got a copy of it ethier on video and come back and tell me that it doesn't look suss cause just everything about it is.open your eyes.
Howdy Miss Green,
See..what you ain't understanding is,is that our soldiers and I,don't serve Bush..we serve our country and it's citizens,the president is merely the commander-in-chief..just another imperfect sinner..like you and I. My primary allegiance is to God and His Son,Jesus Christ. Our soldiers risk their lives,because they believe in the mission and they want to plant the seeds of Freedom,Justice and Equality for all.
Our soldier's also have the good sense to realize--that it's best to fight the war over there..rather than on the streets of America.
I will reserve my judgement of the validity of 9/11/01..until proven otherwise,it stands as an attack on America--by terrorists originating from the middle-east,working with usama.
Have a good one ...
Democrats - World's second largest Death Cult
The born-againers, fundies, and other christers, that still support Bush are more concerned with the apocalypse and second coming of the non-existent, mythical savior god than the destruction of their country. They do not care about credit card debt, national debt, a war that was unnecessary (Iraq), overuse of the disappearing oil supply, a raped economy, horrendous foreign policy in the ??holy land?, crooks running the rest of the so-called government, and the transformation of a half-way decent Republican Party into a régime of Bush cronies that have exploited 9/11 for profit and power .
I do not believe that the government coordinated 9/11. I was profoundly affected by it, because I was in lower NYC very close to the scene on the day it happened, and still go there almost every day. But, it never should have happened in the first place - and would not have if we had people in charge that had some awarness of reality (including Clinton).
Unless the human race drops the mental illness called religion, all signs point toward eventual mass destruction, and possible the end of human life as we know it.
Good job, Bush - you outdid our worst expectations. You were lucky that the Democrats were so weak, because regrettably, myself, and many other people, voted for you due to that.
Democrats - World's second largest Death Cult
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Originally Posted by jamstigator
Didn't the Republican Party arise out of the south, and wasn't it comprised largely of racist white men and successionists? Ah yes, it was. That would then make the Republican Party primarily responsible for the millions of deaths during the Civil War, and thus make them the biggest killer of Americans ever, moreso than every terrorist organization on the planet combined.
Yup, rhetoric rocks.
To this day it is obviously not PC to even admit to being a daughter or son of the South because of lies and myths..please get your crap straight before attempting to lay this at our door! This is BS! You jerk..comparing a Southerner to Terrorist..had to read this on Sunday:mad: If you want to talk like that..lets start a thread on that war okay.
