Report: NSA Has Call Data On Millions

but don't you know we are fighting terrorist... we should be afraid of them... we should fear them and give up all our right because of that... duh...

"The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all the people." - Noam Chomsky

I can't wait till they start making us get tattos proving we're american and putting all the ones who are not into nice camps... the liberties for safety shit is horrible... I cannot believe it works so well and people are so ignorant.

When the tyrant has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and there is nothing to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war or other in order that the people may require a leader. -- Plato

BTW: written in the PATRIOT ACT is any information found is shared b/w ALL agencies [fbi, cia, dea, nsa, ss] ....
so they have phone logs, and then you cross that into another database
and bam you have SS#, address, bank statements....
TOO MANY corrupt officials for that information to be open like that

I'm really on a wire on this one.....on one hand, this is a kick in the nuts to the privacy issue....but on the other, if some freak is known to be plotting something, it would be nice to know who his buddies are.

Out of country calls to "rogue" states is another issue.

I would imagine that I could be on a list....I've had stuff sent to my house from Amsterdam, the U.K., Canada, and Jordon within the last 3 years....oh well, they'll find I'm actually rather boring!:D

Flip a coin and hope to hell your right I guess!:cool:

you mean we do have a number that they use to track all of us?? I guess they can give it a nice name and make it seem like it's for our saftey and not taking away our rights...

Before 1986, people often did not have a Social Security number until the age of about 14, since they were used for tax purposes and those under that age seldom had remunerative employment. In 1986, American taxation law was altered so that individuals over 5 years old without Social Security numbers could not be claimed as dependents on tax returns. Since then, parents have often applied for Social Security numbers for their children as soon as they were born.

Purpose and use

The original purpose of this number was to administer the Social Security program, but it has come to be used also as a "primary key" (a de facto national ID number) for individuals within the United States. This is a major example of functionality creep. Payroll, university student records, credit records, and driver's licenses are sometimes indexed by Social Security number. The U.S. military has used the Social Security number as an identification number for all service members since 1969. As a result, disclosure and processing of these numbers is of major concern to many citizens and privacy advocates.

What I'm wondering is why did no one watch Good Times... they talked about this shit back then... I just hope more and more people start seeing the whole larger picture of what our government is doing.


I can't wait till Hyden confirmation though, I think more will come out about the NSA stuff and the truth will sway a few more people.... I just have a feeling it's going to take more and more of the 'leaks' and breaking the law before a large enough number of people wake up and do something to change .

The S.S. number for younger children is still used for tax purposes when it comes to claiming dependents or in which case the tax exemption is switched from year to year for the separated parents.