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Did all of that rambling make you feel better about yourself? You seem even less open minded now- just one of those people who only trusts what they can see or read in a math book.
Too bad they don't teach you how to think outside the box at college, huh? :p
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Originally Posted by mrdevious
It took an hour to accumulate this information and i thought i would share it for the good of the community! The only response i got was from moonstarer, who has little concept of spirituality (check out HIS post in this forum its a joke) and has been follwoing me around the forum trying to sabotage my work in posting information (look at galactic light and darkness) So i had a right to be pissed, and i called him out - an ignorant little bitch :)
Mr devious wasnt very obsevant, and saw some name calling and started waving his finger..basicly siding with him without reading the information i so painstakingly posted
So moonstarer posted a lot more, trying to play on that "victim" theme to accumulate more people to defend him. Which only pissed me off more.
The point is, moon here has no personal knowledge of shamanism or religon. He's mediocre in mind and spirit. So why do i let it get under my skin? I don't know, I guess little bitches annoy me!
The spirituality forums clearly say, have some respect. And that dude clearly doesnt. All this bullshit is completely stupid, i wanted to discuss shamanism. Its always the idiots that mess up good things, anywhere you go.
Euphoric, you've shown some of the most immature, disrespectfull, and ignorant behavior on this thread. Daring to question a theory and present a counter-opinion backed by evidence does not warrant calling somebody "ignorant and closed minded", nor were you in the least justified in a strait up "fuck you" to me. at least I try to be respectfull. But you know what, you obviously have no idea what "closed minded" means, because it doesn't mean actually asking questions about a theory. You oviously consider anybody ignorant if they don't just accept any theory with no basis whatsoever to back it up. it doesn't matter if it's in a math book, believing a theory for no reason other than to believe it is down right fucking retarded. It's people who just believe anything at face value that keep us in a state of ignorance, it's those who study the nature of everything and seek out the answers themselves who actually enable to evolution of society and thought. If you think somebody who doesn't blindly accept something for no reason is ignorant, you have a lot of growing up to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Euphoric
srry
shamanism kicks ass
thats all i gotta say
later
Hey Euphoric, I just wanna say I still appreciate the creation of the whole thread, I've been very interested in this stuff myself. I just got pissed by your overall hostile tone and then saying "fuck you" to me for pointing out that you don't have to insult the other guy. But I think we all get hot-headed and pissed off at times, myself included (as I probably sounded in my last post). I don't wanna start anything between us though, I just think we all have our rights to our opinions and observations. Overall you seem like a pretty alright guy, so I just wanna say you're still in my good books even if I'm not in yours. and sorry if I let off really hostile.
btw, in a couple weeks I'm heading up to my old hometown to see my friends on my birthday (also easter weekend). I plan to try shrooms for a second time and hopefully do some meditation and see what spiritual use I could use shrooms in. I'll report back to this thread with the results :)
Hey sorry man, didn't mean to offend you, I did get a little too carried away. I did think you wanted to discuss Shamanism, that is discuss if it??s ??true? or not, I just didn??t know you only wanted to discuss it with others who believe in it. I'll keep that in mind when I read your posts from now on. You might want to lay off the insults when trying to prove your point though, it kills your argument and that is what turns the other person into the victim.
oh and I wasn't stalking you, I read almost every post in the spirituality forum, you just happened to be posting on ideas I have opinions on.
Mazatec shamans primarily use S. divinorum as a vision-inducing plant. They say it "allows them to travel to heaven and talk to God and the Saints about divination, diagnosis, and healing" (19). Although the plant is reputed to be only "weakly psychotropic," (1) it can produce very powerful visions under the correct circumstances. Rituals are performed to heighten the experience, and darkness and silence are essential for achieving full psychoactivity. Valdés writes "...if the experience becomes too terrifying, it can be readily terminated by saying a few words or producing a light." Dosages of at least 20 pairs of leaves are necessary for psychoactive effects (1). Although its traditional use is as a hallucinogen, the Mazatec shamans only use it when morning glory seeds and Psilocybe mushrooms are unavailable (20). The Mazatecs generally prepare fresh leaves for an infusion by crushing them in water. This apparently forms a microsuspension or emulsion of salvinorin A (and possibly other non-water-soluble psychotropic agents) (1). The dried leaves cannot be used in this manner, as drying changes the chemical composition of the leaves (19).
http://www.sagewisdom.org/rovinsky.html