Get The Picture ?

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Originally Posted by Raiden

Christian religion has been forced to become more tolerant (thankfully) whereas as the Islamic people tend to come from backward countries that have not progressed and resemble western countries hundreds of years ago, and they simply do not understand the freedoms we take for granted. Unfortunately a lot of Southern US states are similarly backward which is why you get freaky rednecks like Torog. The vast majority of Europeans are not religious and it is a culture/time clash going on. I am very anti religion although I think the Dalai Lama has a lot to say.

Insulting religious icons is not wrong, it shows you have a brain.

Supporting US troops who torture and kill (just like Nazis) and thinking your Country is God's special country is wrong. If you believed in God you would know it is Gods universe, and the US troop is no more right, infact probably more wrong than the Iraqi troop he is fighting, because the US is the aggressor in this and most instances. It is about respect for life and human life no matter who or where the person comes from.

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Howdy Raiden,

Well ..this here "freaky redneck"--says you can take yer secular progressive crapola,and put it where the Sun don't shine..lol:)

I don't support any American soldier,who tortures and kills like a Nazi would,or a Jap would,or a Russian would,or a Chinese would,or a French would,or an arab would do and have done.

As for Texas being God's country,it's a popular belief here--which I support.

Have a good one ...

You live with your head where the sun dont shine Torog.

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Originally Posted by Raiden

You live with your head where the sun dont shine Torog.

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Howdy Raiden,

Well..maybe yer right..maybe I should just toss away all of my old fashioned values and git with the program--folks with good character--need not apply..so I'll have to git rid of that too I reckon. Then I can be as 'enlightened ' as you are :thumbsup:

Have a good one ! :stoned:

That would be really cool. Only you have got your eyes ofcourse and I don't proclaim to be enlightened, but there are certain things I hate like war, blind faith, naive patriotism and extreme nationalism. Unfortrunately you seem to have a belief in all these things. It's nothing personal and sorry for calling you freaky really it is because I have not had a smoke today yet.

Wow, I agree with Bill O'Reilly! He's right, there is a double standard, and in the end it should be ok to insult whatever religion we feel like.

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy BA, If it wasn't meant to offend,what was it meant to do ? Would you throw elephant dung on yer mom or on a pic of her ? The Virgin Mary 'art',was most certainly meant to offend both Catholics and Christians,there's no other reason for it. It also sends a message to boys and men,that women should be treated like such,that they are only worthy of having dung thrown at them,rappers are always calling for violence against women,including beatings,rape and kickin em in the stomach to force a miscarriage and kill the un-wanted child of promiscuity. Have a good one ....

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Hi Torog,

The "dung" that disgusts you is also fertilizer, without which we'd have a lot less food in the world. *

Since there is no evidence that a "virgin" ever gave birth to a baby, the whole story is a fraud anyway. I gave you my version of how this ridiculous story could have happened in December '05. Virgins do NOT have children - and your mythical savior god is the fictitious creation of primitive, sick, superstitious minds for the purpose of controlling people and exploiting the populace. The filth, lies, stupidity, and immorality in the bible(s) has caused FAR more misery and destruction than a pile of elephant shit on a canvas ever could. That goes for the koran, also. The monotheistic faiths are destroying the world - and the sooner the world realizes that, the faster the damage will stop.

*and if abortion and other types of birth control are made illegal, there's even more misery on the way thanks to overpopulation - which religion loves: it goes hand-in-hand with ignorance and fear, keeping the churches in business - doing nothing but creating more misery and stupidity.

wow. if there's so much misery because there are so many people on the planet, which i think is bullshit, there's plenty of fucking room on the planet. we don't have to be crammed into giant compact cities dependent on everything else for survival.

why don't you jump off the cliff first? would that spare anyone of their misery? i guess i'm just to assume that it will.

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Originally Posted by pisshead

wow. if there's so much misery because there are so many people on the planet, which i think is bullshit, there's plenty of fucking room on the planet. we don't have to be crammed into giant compact cities dependent on everything else for survival. why don't you jump off the cliff first? would that spare anyone of their misery? i guess i'm just to assume that it will.

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I'm not the one that's having five brats that I can't afford to support. Don't "assume" anything - or haven't you heard what the result of that usually is?

I hate to burst your bubble BA but it really is possible for a virgin to get pregnant and in today's world, even maintain her virginity after childbirth. Now I don't think they were performing C-sections 2000 years ago but virgin conception is a documented medical possibility. If those little man-critters get on the outside of a womans vagina, without any penetration involved, they can and occasionally do (although rarely) make the big salmon run upstream to the egg factory. As for the existance of god, or gods or deities in general, it's the ultimate catch-22 scenario since one can neither prove nor disprove the existance of a supreme being or beings. You either believe or you don't. It doesn't make you a barbarian or a savage if you believe nor does it make you a satanist or enlightened if you choose not to believe. People make these choices based on a huge number of factors including their upbringing, personal experience, the experiences of others or the inability of one or the other to make an effective case for their beliefs. Torog chooses to believe, you do not. Odds are that this one fact will never change.

"Swear there ain't no heaven and pray there ain't no hell?"

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Originally Posted by bonsaiguy

I hate to burst your bubble BA but it really is possible for a virgin to get pregnant and in today's world, even maintain her virginity after childbirth. Now I don't think they were performing C-sections 2000 years ago but virgin conception is a documented medical possibility. If those little man-critters get on the outside of a womans vagina, without any penetration involved, they can and occasionally do (although rarely) make the big salmon run upstream to the egg factory. As for the existance of god, or gods or deities in general, it's the ultimate catch-22 scenario since one can neither prove nor disprove the existance of a supreme being or beings. You either believe or you don't. It doesn't make you a barbarian or a savage if you believe nor does it make you a satanist or enlightened if you choose not to believe. People make these choices based on a huge number of factors including their upbringing, personal experience, the experiences of others or the inability of one or the other to make an effective case for their beliefs. Torog chooses to believe, you do not. Odds are that this one fact will never change. "Swear there ain't no heaven and pray there ain't no hell?"

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Look, if Joseph, or another man, masturbated and spilled some sperm into Mary's vagina, and she got pregnant, then I'll accept that as a possible reason for her pregnancy sans intercourse . Iâ??ll even accept the possibility of ANY theory of a "virgin birth" that has a scientific basis. I do NOT accept the "religous" story that she was impregnated by a "ghost", holy or otherwise. Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers were also non-believers in this nonsense. Credalism and dogmatism are not limited to the Muslim community. The mindset of many religious people is so buried in unquestioning allegiance to a doxology and so intimidating to people who would like to think freely that really vital dialogue is almost impossible