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Interesting thoughts. I have to agree with Torog in that evolution is something God did (if there is a God). So, it makes sense to me that creation and evolution go hand in hand. Maybe if the 2 sides of the coin could see this, there would be less fighting over who is actually right.
My theory (based on all the info out there) is this: Firstly, the Bible was written and translated by men (not women) so it's bound to have flaws either through translations or through misunderstandings of what happened in those times and/or how men interpretted what they saw happening around them. It's still quite possible that Jesus was an alien being and just appeared Godly because he was superior to man at that time he appeared and walked on earth. Surely, I must appear like a god to my child who doesn't understand how to cook but watches me fly through the process like a breeze. That's just a for instance.
It's just possible that God did create the heavens and the earth but he was smart enough to build in the evolution factor so as to ensure continued life here. The book of Genesis doesn't even consider that. In fact, the Book doesn't even explain dinosaurs, etc. unless Adam & Eve were prehistoric neandrathal people. So, it seems to me, the Bible is missing some crucial information that screams out it can't possibly be the whole truth.
Torog also mentions our "5 senses", but in fact, we have more, they have just been supressed over time. But he is right, that supression has also made our remaining 5 senses dull and less than many of the animals around us.
beachguy in thongs raises the point that we might have lived on another planet and been moved or even moved ourselves when that planet got too cold. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. After all, isn't it true that anything is possible?
My point is that I don't think any one theory explains everything. I think a combination of theories is necessary to understand what is really going on. Perhaps the acceptance of a combination of theories will stop all the bickering about who is right and which theory should prevail. Until the absolute truth is known, all theories should be permissable and taught in school.
"You are far more genetically similar to the pot in your joint than you could ever be to a life form from another planet." - I love this comment. How could you say that? Have you met a being from another planet to be able to make that comparison? I'll bet you believe every snowflake is unique too. Have you checked every snowflake to say with absolute certainty?
Then this comment:
"If DNA is sufficient to send a man to death row, then I MUST ASSUME IT IS PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUGHT." - Well, you know what happens when you "assume" anything. You make an ass (out of) u (and) me.
Come on, we can't even decide which theory best explains how we came to be. It is just possible that far reaching space travel is possible and we either forgot how over time, just like our senses have been supressed, or we haven't figured it out yet, but others have. I am not so egocentric as to think I am the be all and end all of the universe and there is nothing better out there. If you believe in other life in the universe, surely you can believe that someone out there can travel great distances in short time frames. Just because we haven't figured it out, doesn't mean someone else hasn't.
On this comment:
"The creationists say, of evolution, with an air of rightful indignation, ??It??s only a THEORY!? "
To me, even the creationist version is only a theory. I wasn't there at the time and I didn't see what really happened, so I can only speculate, which makes it a theory.
So again, it is entirely possible that what is really true is some combination of existing theories.
Next! :D
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Howdy Everybody,
(ever do that intro Torog? LOL)
I don't like to rule anything out myself. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. Might be this faith, maybe that one. Why take the chance...leave all doors open just in case! :thumbsup:
FLIP-FLOPPIN' LIKE A DEMOCRAT IN HEAT!! :D
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I saw "War of the Worlds" the other day. Cool movie.
"God is Dead," Now We'll Create our Global Village -or- Why Christians are Mentally I
I didn't read the whole things, but I'm of the mind that religion is the cause of most of the world's ills today, directly or indirectly. The problem of religion lies with DOGMA, believing something because you're told to, or because you feel you have to.
Reason is the only thing worth worshipping, think about your existence, your environment. Like Sam Harris says, "Atheism is a refusal to deny the obvious."
To me, when you're willing to kill people because they don't believe in the same god you do, or hating homosexuals just because, or believing God is your side and protects you while ignoring the million of innocent children dying of hunger, disease and violence.... Yup, that borders on mental instability.
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TOROG, since you profess to believe in "GOD" please answer me this,
If one day you were riding a bus and you saw a woman get on in a wheelchair and then you had a great revalation from "god" and he instructed you to walk up to her and "heal" so she could get out of her chair and walk WOULD YOU DO IT?
-or not?
and if you say you would, think about this, she'd tell her friends that you healed her, and then they'd tell their friends and soon the whole world would be at your door.
dont have nightmares
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Originally Posted by seattle420
TOROG, since you profess to believe in "GOD" please answer me this,
If one day you were riding a bus and you saw a woman get on in a wheelchair and then you had a great revalation from "god" and he instructed you to walk up to her and "heal" so she could get out of her chair and walk WOULD YOU DO IT?
-or not?
and if you say you would, think about this, she'd tell her friends that you healed her, and then they'd tell their friends and soon the whole world would be at your door.
dont have nightmares
Howdy seattle420,
I would be honored,for God to work through me to heal the woman,and if she told her friends,then I reckon that such is God's Will and I would 'heal'..till I fell over from exhaustion,then git up and heal some more.
I can't consciencously recall if God has spoken to me or not,but I suspect that when I was on the operating table for my double fusion,for longer than expected,that I may have had a visit with God..but even so-I can't recall if such happened,I just know that I started being more Christ-like in my approach to life..I started to cast away my old ways and I believe,that God humbled me several times,to reinforce that possible meeting that I may have had with God. I believe that God 'talks' to me,by way of many subtle messages,sometimes through and from other folks,it's up to me to 'listen'.
Have a good one ....
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thanks lothar
here is a sick story
Jan 18, 2006 9:32 am US/Central
Attorney: Money For Amsterdam Coffee Shop
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(AP) Chaska, Minn. A Chaska, Minn. man and three of his friends allegedly planned to kill his parents for money so they could open a coffee shop in Amsterdam, an attorney for the victim's family said.
Nancy Everson, 52, was shot to death in her home in Chaska early Sunday while her husband escaped out a window. Their son, Grant Everson, 20, and his three alleged accomplices were expected to be arraigned Wednesday on murder charges and related charges in Carver County District Court.
The Everson family attorney, Marsh Halberg, said at least one of the suspects told investigators the four had planned to use money they would get from the deaths of Nancy and Tom Everson to start a coffee shop in Amsterdam.
Friends said Grant Everson grew up hunting and camping with his family but had argued with his parents about grades and curfews in high school. After graduating from Chaska High School in 2003, he had tried living with friends several times but ended up moving back home, said friend Brianna Warner. He also had tried several jobs, including being a pizza delivery man and working at Best Buy and at a cell phone service center.
His portrayal as a killer "is not him. It's the total opposite of him," said Brandon Pike, who said Grant has been his best friend since seventh grade. Pike graduated from high school with Grant and has known him since they played on the same basketball team in second grade. He said that when he saw Grant a few weeks ago at the Eden Prairie Mall, Grant played with Pike's 8-month-old son and said he had started taking courses at Normandale Community College.
According to college records, Grant Everson has never been enrolled as a student at Normandale Community College.
Grant worked on cars and hunted with his dad and went on retreats with youth from the family's church, the Lake Fellowship of Unitarian Universalists, which his mother chaperoned, said Karen Pike, who dated Grant in high school before marrying Brandon Pike.
Grant occasionally cut school to go snowboarding or hang out with friends playing video games or listening to punk or rock music, Warner said. He was pulled over about two years ago by a Chaska officer who found him with marijuana and gave him a strict warning, Warner recalled. He also fed her family cat when they were away and sometimes changed her car's engine oil, she said.
The last time Warner talked to him a few weeks ago, Grant said he was getting his life together, going to college and getting along well with his parents, who liked his longtime girlfriend.
Warner said she can't imagine Grant acting violently toward anyone. "There has to be some explanation. I know that he is not stupid enough or ignorant enough to plan or carry out something like this," she said. "It makes me wonder what had gone on the past few days that was so horrible that he thought he had no way out."
She said can't feel anything but shock until she visits her friend in jail and asks him, "Grant, what the hell happened?"
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"God is Dead," Now We'll Create our Global Village -or- Why Christians are Mentally I
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Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy Breukelen,
Biological evolution to me,just means that God knew what He was doing when He created the world.
You take biological evolution as all the 'proof' you need,in order to say that there's no God,you accept what the anti-creationists have to say at face value,even if their theory hasn't been proven..it's still just a theory,dreamed up by imperfect men who only have 5 senses to view the world with,and those 5 senses,aren't even as good as a simple dog.
My faith doesn't diminish because of evolution theory,it thrives in the face of it.
Have a good one ....
Gravity is also "just a theory."
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Gravity is also "just a theory."
Isn't it just possible that there is a God and He is responsible for the process of evolution? Wouldn't that idea satisfy everyone? Then we could all stop bickering about who and what origin theory is correct and get on with more important global issues like how we can stop destroying our environmental life support systems (earth, air, water) and how the American Admin. is pushing us through fear, towards a slave state?
Why wouldn't God in His all mighty omnipotence ( I almost wrote impotence - Damned Archie Bunker!!) create earth and a viable means of sustainability such as evolution??? :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by mfactor420
Isn't it just possible that there is a God and He is responsible for the process of evolution? Wouldn't that idea satisfy everyone? Then we could all stop bickering about who and what origin theory is correct and get on with more important global issues like how we can stop destroying our environmental life support systems (earth, air, water) and how the American Admin. is pushing us through fear, towards a slave state?
Why wouldn't God in His all mighty omnipotence ( I almost wrote impotence - Damned Archie Bunker!!) create earth and a viable means of sustainability such as evolution??? :thumbsup:
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