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you believe wat u must, no one other than Bush or Kerry will become president, so i dont know what ur talking about. Back up YOUR information with facts, otherwise what ur sayin is complete BS. It is congress that controls everything, and the majority of them are republicans. John Edwards did not go to YALE, wheres ur argument there? If anybody wants the US to change, vote on better Senators from which u agree with, presidents are always controlled by the majority decision of them.
I agree with Toker. It took me a while, but I see his point now. If we are ever going to have more choices, we HAVE to let politicians know that we will not settle for just 2 candidates, who are basically the same. By thinking Kerry is the lesser evil you are buying into what they want you to believe. Sure, there's a big, no, a huge chance that Kerry will win...but the more people vote for a third party, the more other politicians will see that we are not going to let them pigeon hole us into a 2 party system. Then, next election, politicians will really consider what the voters want and not be concerned with how to line their pockets. They will realize that they won't get re elected if they don't perform well while in office. A message will have been sent. Things are only black and white if you choose to see them that way.
that is a very good point, but the fact is the majority of people that do vote, vote republican. so no matter what, nothing will go our way. Once all these old biased people die off, the US slowly but surely change. If you do vote for an alternate, and lesser party, you are wasting your votes, and Bush will surely be re-elected.
"Back up YOUR information with facts, otherwise what ur sayin is complete BS."
What info is it that you would like backed up? The skulls? Ok! Here ya go. If ya need any more there is plenty out there. All ya gotta do is look.
http://www.matrixmasters.com/world/u...landbones.html
http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm
http://www.oilempire.us/kerry.html
http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret...ry_bush_sb.htm
http://www.bop2004.org/bop2004/candidate.aspx?cid=4
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...o_kerry_bones/
The Order of the Skull and Bones
http://proliberty.com/observer/20040418.htm
Bush and Kerry in November. Neither will talk about their secret society membership; both infer greater allegiance to occult brotherhood than Americans
The Order of the Skull and Bones was founded in 1832. Campaign 2004 marks the first time two fellow Bonesman have been pitted against one another for the presidency. If 172 years of occult secret society tradition are any indication, all pretense of these two Bonesmen ??competing? for the presidency is merely a show for the voters.
compiled by The Idaho Observer
Both President Bush (1968) and John Kerry (1966) have appeared on national television with political pundit Tim Russert of Meet the Press. Both of them refused to answer any questions about their lifelong membership to the Skull and Bones Fraternity. The hold Skull and Bones has on these and some 800 living Yale graduates who had been selected to be a member of one of the world's most influential secret societies is forever. Both Bush and Kerry hold occultic secrets they cannot reveal to anyone, even their wives or closest non-Bones confidants.
The implication is clear: The two men most likely to be on the ballot for president of the United States next November have more allegiance to each other than their respective political parties; they have more allegiance to their frat buddies and their secret society than they have to the American people whom they intend to lead...somewhere.
One cannot dismiss the conflict to public service this presents. Our form of government is supposed to be open and public. A Bonesman whose highest allegiance to an extremely influential, globally-connected and self-interested secret society cannot possibly serve the best interests of his people and his country at the same time.
New York Observer columnist Ron Rosenbaum nailed the issue of conflicted public service in the highest public office in the land. ??I think there is a deep and legitimate distrust in America for power and privilege that are cloaked in secrecy. It's not supposed to be the way we do things. We're supposed to do things out in the open in America....any society or institution that hints there is something hidden is, I think, a legitimate subject for investigation.?
Rosenbaum, a Yale classmate of George W. Bush, has been obsessed with the Skull and Bones for 30 years. Though he has made many ingenious attempts over the years to ??get inside,? the best he has been able to do is videotape a nocturnal initiation rite held outside in the courtyard a few years ago. ??A woman holds a knife and pretends to slash the throat of another person lying down before them, and there's screaming and yelling at the neophytes,? he explained.
Part of Rosenbaum's fascination with the Bones is the fact that the whole thing is so weird. The building itself is, ??...this sepulchral, tomblike, windowless, granite, sandstone bulk that you can't miss. And I lived next to it. I had passed it all the time. And during the initiation rites, you could hear strange cries and whispers coming from the Skull and Bones tomb,? Rosenbaum explained for CBS' Morley Safer.
And it all starts with strange, ritualistic behavior among a select group of college boys, many of whom have grown up to be among the most powerful men of the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries (The Idaho Observer, February, March, 2004).
President Bush is a third-generation Bonesman. His grandfather (1917) evaded prosecution in the 40s for his role in financing the Nazi war machine during WWII; his father (1948) has arguably been the ??president-behind-the-scenes? from Ronald Reagan to present.
According to a CBS story on Kerry, Bush, Bones and the presidency, ??All Bonesmen....are forbidden to reveal what goes on in their inner sanctum, the windowless building on the Yale campus that is called 'The Tomb.'?
CBS went on to explain that Skull and Bones is, ??...a social and political network like no other. And they've responded to outsiders with utter silence -- until an enterprising Yale graduate, Alexandra Robbins, managed to penetrate the wall of silence in her book, ??Secrets of the Tomb.?
??I spoke with about 100 members of Skull and Bones and they were members who were tired of the secrecy, and that's why they were willing to talk to me, but probably twice that number hung up on me, harassed me, or threatened me,? Robbins said.
Robbins' investigations revealed that the main purpose of the Skull and Bones is to get as many members as possible into strategically placed positions of power. Robbins stated that President Bush has ??tapped? five Bonesmen to join his administration. One of them is current Securities and Exchange Commissioner William Donaldson (Class of 1953). Donaldson will answer no questions about the Bones.
The ritualistic behavior among the Bones seems to cement a bond between members that lasts a lifetime. Indeed, not once has there been a revelation that any Bonesman has ever betrayed another.
The CBS story even compared the Skull and Bones to the Mafia. Rosenbaum responded, ??I think Skull and Bones has had slightly more success than the Mafia in the sense that the leaders of the five families are all doing 100 years in jail, and the leaders of the Skull and Bones families are doing four and eight years in the White House.?
According to Robbins, the Skull and Bones are now ??tapping? women. The development was met with some resistance. ??The day before these women were supposed to be initiated, a group of Bonesmen, including William F. Buckley, obtained a court order to block the initiation claiming that letting women into the tomb would lead to date rape. Again more legal wrangling; finally it came down to another vote and women were admitted and initiated.?
The Bones are getting with the times and becoming ??multicultural? Robbins said. Blacks and gays are among the new initiates of this secret society.
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??'Everything' we know about secret societies is what they have 'allowed' us to know so they can wriggle through history with their real agenda undetected.?
~Dan Thompson
As for voting for congressmen and such, what do think, I don't? I vote in every little election that comes up, not just every 4 years.
Toker
thats interesting, you must spend ALOT of time on the internet, cause i sure as hell dont. I bet most of that is false, but who knows, no one would ever admit to those accusations. I see where your coming from, but i still would vote for Kerry, just because Bush is a douche bag. Is there any proof whatsoever of that "illuminati" thats not on the internet. cause u know, and i know, people make up some BOGUS shit over the internet that has been manipulated.
"thats interesting, you must spend ALOT of time on the internet, cause i sure as hell dont."
It really doesn't take that long to see about who your voting for, and their competion. Of course if your just voting against the other guy at all cost, then I suppose it wouldn't really matter to you what he is about.
"I bet most of that is false"
I'll take that bet!
"I see where your coming from, but i still would vote for Kerry, just because Bush is a douche bag."
I understand why your voting for kerry, you don't have to keep reminding me.
"Is there any proof whatsoever of that "illuminati" thats not on the internet."
The illuminati doesn't concern me nearly as much as the bones connections in both of them. That they were both part of the same puppy mill is fact. If that doesn't ring a few alarm bells for ya, well, what can I say other then your one of the sheeple blindly following the herd.
Toker
Damn, what was i thinking trying to get a sheeple to drink from anything but the mainstream?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in576332.shtml
Does that help you any?
Toker
ok...
"I'm with ya man, but not if your going to unite under evil. I refuse to give my support to someone based on my dislike for another. Even more so if both of the idiots are getting their strings pulled by the same people. "
that sure is uniting??? this is exactly what i was talking about. this bickering. "i'll untite with you only if you stand for ABSOLUTELY what i believe in."
and yes, writing to every single person in our government that represents us WILL make a difference. do you write to your representitives? tell them what they are representing? the pesemistic attitude of "oh they're in now, it makes no difference" is a bunch of crap.
so... bush and kerry arew members of the same little club. i knew that. but tell me, because one member of a fraternity is a rapist makes the rest of the members rapists too? or, one kid murders someone, that makes the rest of the family murderers as well?
"If we are ever going to have more choices, we HAVE to let politicians know that we will not settle for just 2 candidates, who are basically the same."
ok, but this is NOT the year to be voting third, fourth, or fifth party. and am i mistaken, or ARE there more than two candidates running? haven't there for years? there's a number of reason they never succeed. #1: $$$!, you can't win if you don't have the finances. #2: their policies are too radical for a majority to rally behind.
i'm going to continue this, but i have places to be and people to see...
"this is exactly what i was talking about. this bickering. "i'll untite with you only if you stand for ABSOLUTELY what i believe in.""
Don't put words in mouth. It makes it seem as if your arguement needs extra help, and cannot servive on it's own. It could also mean your prone to not telling the truth. I never even implied it had to be what I beleive. What I said was I will not untite with evil. Are you so self rightious that you can't see your own "bickering"?
"so... bush and kerry arew members of the same little club. i knew that. but tell me, because one member of a fraternity is a rapist makes the rest of the members rapists too?"
Or one frat member is in a position of power, means all are? Well, most of them anyway. Surely not, yet in the case of the bones it does. You can think it means nothing, that's what they want you to think. If I was you though, I think I would think about it a little more. I would also think of the other bonesmen that have held power positions. That little club sure does wield a lot of power.
"ok, but this is NOT the year to be voting third, fourth, or fifth party."
When is it a good time if this is not it?
"and am i mistaken, or ARE there more than two candidates running? haven't there for years? "
Yep, but they are making gains in the polls every year. The LP is now the third largest political party in only a few years. More and more people are throwing off the chains of the two party thought proccess. You seem to want to fight to keep your chains on.
"#1: $$$!, you can't win if you don't have the finances. #2: their policies are too radical for a majority to rally behind."
Don't forget that your two major partys make it extremely hard for anyone else to get on the ballot. Or to get the same funding as the repos or the demonrats. They fight tooth and nail to keep the balance in their favor.
Toker
Toker I definately see your side. But are you saying that's it's okay to have Bush as the predsident for another term just so we can get more recognition for the Libertarian Party?? Because that's what it's going to be if people start voting for a 3rd party. I think the priority should be to defeat Bush and I think that means voting strategically. I don't believe Kerry is that great a candidate, but anything is better than the man incharge right now.