When was your awakening? or are you still asleep?

Energy is beyond the material world. Apperently.

[align=center]I am awake.
a soul
using a flesh body
in the
3rd dimension[/align]

Earth is a story being unfolded... we are working our way to perfection. From a massive rock to trees to bacteria to mammals to conscious human beings... we are just taking steps toward "it". Quantum physics, anyone?

Hopefully we don't all get crushed before "it" happens, eh?

[align=center]There is no such thing as Matter or Energy.
Those are all just ideas able to be perceived with the senses this body is meant to perceive with.
As Stoner Shadow Wolf said, there are many small awakenings along the way.
Once you awaken fully and can leave your body and return to your bodiless state at will, you are truly awake.
That's a big step so you might as well start small.
Perfection cannot be achieved if perfection is your goal...
think about it[/align]

Now tremble before me, as I have a huge font!

apparently some of you think yelling will get your point across. fools.

Anyways, my point to Ermitonto would be this:

You're right. There is no scientific evidence for there being more than what our senses can tell us. But our senses do in fact deceive us. We don't see half of whats out there and yet we think we can construct the entire picture from what we do infer. Think of the human visual spectrum for example. Such a relatively insignificant portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. You can't even hear the same sounds that the majority of the animal kingdom can. You have no sense for the electromagnetic fields that can guide birds south during migration... etc.
Scientifically, we know there's more to life than just what we can rationally describe. But, in order to live life, we have to have beliefs concerning the rest.
So then, choosing to believe there's nothing is fine... But it's just as much a leap of faith as to choose God.

I think some people on these boards have had experiences which demonstrate some of what's out there that hasn't been quantified. It gets worded differently everytime, and some people call it god, other people call it energy or prana, chi, etc. But there does seem to be some sort of experience in life which we simply lack the language to describe in a materialist (physical) language... Haven't you ever had such an experience?

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

"Energy"? I don't understand. If such "energy" exists, it must be measurable, like energy always is. Energy is a very concrete phenomenon. Everything in the universe is made out of matter and energy, including me, so all the energy inside me is part of my mind or body (the mind is actually a subset of the body). If it is not measurable then there's no reason to call it energy. And if it isn't measurable, how can we say it exists at all? How can something we can't measure or detect in any way have any influence on the physical universe which contains my body and mind? I just don't get the idea that there are things in this universe which we can know of and are not made out of matter and energy (in the scientific, physical sense of the word). People seem to think these "souls" exist in some sort of undetectable parallel universe, a kind of transcendental la-la land which there just isn't any evidence for.

As Thomas Jefferson put it:

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I just started reading...this energy is measurable. It all starts in your Brain.
People can read energy measures in an empty space, I don't know how. This whole Universe is made up of energy that we can't measure, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Okay, just kept on reading it, and seeing how you're referencing my post...hold on.

Ok, where do you get the energy to process your thoughts into a "post", amino acids?

How do we have any energy to synthesize amino acids?

Everything has a gravitational pull. EVERYTHING. We can't just go up to someone and measure their gravity. Of course, a fatter person would have a greater gravitational pull. Moisture rises and falls over the Atlantic, and when the fronts make their way across the United States, they combine with the Moisture Patterns over the Atlantic because "water attracts water". If you place a drop of water near another, they will attract each other and it's an unmeasureably energy that causes them to attract (unmeasurable by my standards, anyway). I'm still asleep.

T. J. was a "Confederate" President. No? I'm not into American History, besides what I've learned in Elementary School.

This is true. All men are made up of snakes and snails, and puppy-dog tails and women are made up of sugar and spice, and everything nice.

My goal is to be perfect at the "free-throw" line and when I hit 10 out of 10, guess what, Perfection Achieved!!!