Israel calls for Iran's expulsion from the U.N
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel on Thursday called for Iran's expulsion from the United Nations after its president said the Jewish state should be "wiped off the map".
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's comments at a Tehran conference on Wednesday drew international condemnation and underscored Western scrutiny on the Iranian nuclear programme.
"A country that calls for the destruction of another people cannot be a member of the United Nations," Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's office quoted him as saying in a statement.
Vice Premier Shimon Peres said he might seek an official Israeli mandate to request Iran's expulsion from the United Nations, but admitted that such an outcome would be unlikely.
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/news...RAN-ISRAEL.xml
Iran is a supporter of Islamic Jihad that just carried out the bombing. Iran states that Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth. The U.N. does absolutely nothing and doubts if they will. Israel will consider this a major bitch slap and will take matters into their own hands!
Another reason why the U.N. should be shut down!! Hell, by recent reports it sounds like they support terrorism themselves...and we help pay for this "service"?
ahem...psycho...
if youre done slob knobbing ariel sharon....
1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies *not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001
2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.
7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969
8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."
11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.
15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.
20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.
21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.
23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
25. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).
26. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).
27. "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920)
all are quotes from israel's many different leaders over the time...
but yet one speech by an iranian president defending his country's sovereign rights....
OH MY GOD WE NEED TO DEFEND OURSELVES! PLEASE THINK OF ISRAEL!
Israel calls for Iran's expulsion from the U.N
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Originally Posted by zooted999
A brief summary of Israel's history:
Since biblical times, Jews and Arabs have always lived in Middle East. Always, it was never one country got their first, they always lived together. Then the Romans arrived, burnt their temples and expelled them. What followed was 5,000+ years of persecution and murder wherever the Jewish people went. Following the Holocaust, the Jewish people demanded a state where they could be at home, and protected from any further persecution. The U.N. decided to grant them some land in what is now Israel which seems fair enough considering that's the original place they got kicked out of, and you know what happened soon thereafter? Arab nations declared war, Israel won the war and rightfully got the land they won. You know what happened after that? Another war was declared by the Arabs on the Jews and again, they won the war. What happened next, you ask? Wouldn't you believe it... another war! Every time Arab nations declared war on Israel, they won, and so it goes in terms of war, they got the land.
True Fact: Every single war be it the 6 Day War, the War of Independence and the War of Yom Kippur were all started by the Arabs. Israel has never initiated war on any single nation.
Why do they have the right to have nuclear weapons? Well, let's think-- if your a tiny Israel state surrounded by a bunch of Arab countries who want nothing but your eradication, don't you think you need some self defense?
It would seem fair to me considering the Israeli state doesn't have suicide bombers, Jihads, their purpose isn't the eradication of an entire people. This is not to suggest that every Arab wants this, but for the leader of a country to call for the extermination of a people... this is the kind of people you want involved in the U.N.?
Please, please, let me know of a single instance in which Israel has either initiated war, blew up a school bus or heralded for the extermination of an entire peoples, and I will admit that Israel is at any form of fault.
How about the "accidental" two-hour attack on the USS liberty? sounds like an act of war to me...
What about the israeli ramming-and-running of a Japanese vessel? With proper manipulation, that could be construed as an act of war as well.
What about Israel deliberately targetting palestinians even if their unarmed? such a loving and peaceful country...they were only defending themselves...from children of course.
Israel keeps killing undeserving Palestinians and unfortunately they breed "terrorists" as a result.
If you dont believe me im sure you can google a number of israeli war crimes.
Such a wonderful country...ignore the fact that they have the most U.N. resolutions than any other country by leaps and bounds...Hitler gassed them so theyre allowed to do whatever they want now.
Israel calls for Iran's expulsion from the U.N
Your idea of defending a country's rights is another's extermination?
Beyond that, I have a few general questions for you. Say you live in a society where schoolbuses are constantly being blown up. Children, the elderly, ordinary citizens who die by the thousands-- you wouldn't feel in the least bit inclined to feel some sort of animosity towards the person who feels the best way to express his demands by the murder of innocent bystanders?
So what have you done here, Nick? You listed some quotes-- I'll tell you this much, Israel's purpose isn't another's annhiliation. Israel doesn't march into the U.N. demanding another people be killed. That's not self defense, you ignorant retard. That's Hitler's way of dealing with things.
Israel doesn't go around bombing school buses, or demanding another nation be slaughtered. On top of all that, they have every right to live in Israel as the Arabs do, considering they've lived there alongside the Arabs since biblical times, but at some point were expelled by the Romans.
I usually don't get personal, but in this case, I'm really glad somebody like you will never make any impact on this planet. You dumb idiot.
Israel calls for Iran's expulsion from the U.N
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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
Hitler gassed them so theyre allowed to do whatever they want now.
Women been cookin' and cleanin' for how long now ya better not discriminate against them. Blacks WERE slaves but watch out for the hate crime, unless of course your talking about exterminating all the whites! You better have a lil' bit stronger case than that!
Israel calls for Iran's expulsion from the U.N
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Originally Posted by zooted999
Your idea of defending a country's rights is another's extermination?
Beyond that, I have a few general questions for you. Say you live in a society where schoolbuses are constantly being blown up. Children, the elderly, ordinary citizens who die by the thousands-- you wouldn't feel in the least bit inclined to feel some sort of animosity towards the person who feels the best way to express his demands by the murder of innocent bystanders?
So what have you done here, Nick? You listed some quotes-- I'll tell you this much, Israel's purpose isn't another's annhiliation. Israel doesn't march into the U.N. demanding another people be killed. That's not self defense, you ignorant retard. That's Hitler's way of dealing with things.
Israel doesn't go around bombing school buses, or demanding another nation be slaughtered. On top of all that, they have every right to live in Israel as the Arabs do, considering they've lived there alongside the Arabs since biblical times, but at some point were expelled by the Romans.
I usually don't get personal, but in this case, I'm really glad somebody like you will never make any impact on this planet. You dumb idiot.
Hmm...
I read another post of yours just now when you pointed out how the founding fathers would debate but never argue, listening to each others points.
With reference to today's modern politics, you mentioned the result as "sad".
but yet, here you are calling me a dumb idiot...
Oh well, onto the points you made...
I have no idea how you inferred that one person's rights should lead to another's extermination. I simply made reference to the many quotes that Israel's leaders have spoken. I guess you must think of the Palestinians as beasts deserving no dignity as well.
You talk about bombings that blow people up...but of course just like every ignorant jew-lover you conveniently leave out the fact that the Palestinians were the ones being killed when they dared to protest being kicked out of their homes. You also forget that the Jews enjoy monstrous sums of aid from the U.S. and Britain. Not just aid in a monetary sense, but weapons and technology. To answer your question, however, i would indeed feel animosity. But i guess to you, the father of a child shot by an israeli sniper doesnt have the right to feel animosity or to take up arms against the soldiers that continue to kill his friends and family indiscriminately.
Ignorant retard huh? well luckily I'm not too retarded to know that Iran didn't march into the UN to deliver her speech. Iran's speech was directed towards her own people...thousands of college students to be precise. And everyone was so shocked at what he had to say, they stood up and gave him a thindering amount of applause in protest. Not self-defense huh? Well obviously you were out doing something else when Israel bombed Iran the first time in the 80's. Were you around then? or were you busy swimming around in your mom's vagina? In case you hvnt noticed, Israel is once again calling for the destruction of Iranian nuclear programs threatening them with bombs once more.
Israel doesnt need to go around bombing school buses because they have enough soldiers and guns to walk around shooting people. The only reason palestinians use suicide bombs is because that's the best they can do. Maybe by brushing up a bit on history, you'd know the first suicide bomb was in iran and there were never any in palestine or iraq until foreigners invaded their space and tried to seize control. And the jews, much like the arabs were originally nomads. In fact, if you want to get technical, then by your words, americans and canadians should be removed (by force if necessary) because they occupied land originally owned by the native americans.
I may not have done anything that history books would scramble to write about, but im a young happenin hipster. plenty of time. go back to your jews, terrorist lover.
Israel calls for Iran's expulsion from the U.N
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Women been cookin' and cleanin' for how long now ya better not discriminate against them. Blacks WERE slaves but watch out for the hate crime, unless of course your talking about exterminating all the whites! You better have a lil' bit stronger case than that!
i dont understand what point your tryin to make...
Israel calls for Iran's expulsion from the U.N
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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
go back to your jews, terrorist lover.
Exactly. The words of a true rationalist.
Israel calls for Iran's expulsion from the U.N
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Originally Posted by zooted999
Exactly. The words of a true rationalist.
Great rebuttal. The noobs just keep getting easier and easier.
Israel calls for Iran's expulsion from the U.N
You realize your equally guilty of doing nothing but arguing as well? Your merely pointing out my adamant stand. Not to mention, am I a political leader? Does it matter if I'm unwilling to listen to somebody who, hypocriticaly similarly, refuses to give into an argument?
Your a generalizing baffoon, who spouts hate and simultaneously condemns it. I can only be so happy that your voice is meaningless.
Israel calls for Iran's expulsion from the U.N
Here's my final take, since you clearly want to talk in terms of debate and such. I think we can both agree that we won't agree. You believe Israel is built on a foundation of terrorism (Or if not, that's what the context implied), and I believe it isn't. You believe Iran's call for Jewish extermination is an act of self-defense and I don't think that's an act of defense.
Truly, I don't know much about the Japanese boat incidents, so I can't argue on its part. About America being founded improperly, I agree with you there.
Ultimately, we you think one way and I firmly believe another which is why I was so quick to get up and arms because it's fairly alarming when you make such a hateful, generalizing comment like, "go back to your Jews, terrorist lover." What's that supposed to make me understand?
I think it's safe to say we firmly agree to disagree on this one.
