How To Prove The Existence Of God

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

Plus, the Big Bang is no longer around. So why call it God?

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Yea, thats true, after all God is omnipresent (I think thats the correct term)

Yeah, the only conception of God that has ever made any sense to me is to define "God" as the totality of the universe itself, that is, the sum of all the matter and energy that exists. I don't object to that definition of God at all. I see no problem with having reverence for all of existence. After all it is a grandiose and beautiful thing. And it's even been proven to exist to boot. But I choose not to call it God because it's nothing like the non-physical spirit thing most people take that word to mean.

have your courses covered Hume at all?

The entire notion of Causation hasn't been completely resolved with modern philosophy.

Having said that, to take a more modern approach, if one considers the big bang to be the expansion of everything that exists, and existence is still occuring (right?) then of course God (=the big bang) is omnipresent...

or something?

you guys are just babbling now it dosen't realy matter to me I'll live my life how see fit and i don't need God for that

the saddest thing to me at all of most christians...is that they spend their whole life telling people blah god blah, and then when they actually do die...they more than likely will never know that they were wrong....not in a rub your face in it type of way...but i wish that they would know that they were wrong...

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Originally Posted by acidtrip

Motion
In the universe, there are objects in motion, each object in motion must have been caused to move by something else. Because nothing is infinite, there must have been a first motion or "prime mover" which was unmoved, this prime mover began all movement without bieng moved, Aquinas stated that the "prime mover" must have been God.

Causes
Nothing can be the cause of it's self, as it would have to 'exist' before bieng caused. This of course is impossible, so like with motion there must have been a first "un caused" cause, that started a chain of causes. This is God.

Contingency
There must have been a time when nothing existed, the cause of the universe would have to be outside of the universe and must have always existed. There muse have been something to cause the universe to exist, this is God.

Of course, this can also be applied to the big bang. So you could say

God = the Big Bang.

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Acid , I am one firm believer in the sciences of space.

Have you not herd of the bigbang theory?

Something about Gravity and Electro-weak, strong and magnetic forces, forming a singularity and caused the big bang reverse blackhole thing.

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Originally Posted by Polymirize

have your courses covered Hume at all?

The entire notion of Causation hasn't been completely resolved with modern philosophy.

Having said that, to take a more modern approach, if one considers the big bang to be the expansion of everything that exists, and existence is still occuring (right?) then of course God (=the big bang) is omnipresent...

or something?

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Yea we've also been covering Hume, along with Kant,etc.

For the most part I agree with Kant, he said that the beginning of the universe is probably something too complex for us humans to comprehend. Kant also stated that for God to have created the universe, he would need to be external to space and time, so how would we have knoledge of him (or something along those lines)

I really love doing philosophy and religion at college, lol I can remember a few years ago before I was doing drugs, I didn't believe in any kind of religion or spirituality at all, I thought it was all a load of bullshit. But drugs have showed me the way :)

Getting stoned before RE lessons has it's advantages and disadvantages, I find I can understand alot of it much easier when I'm stoned, I just have trouble remembering it, so it's pretty cool discussing it with you guys because it lets me revise :)

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Originally Posted by acidtrip

Motion
In the universe, there are objects in motion, each object in motion must have been caused to move by something else. Because nothing is infinite, there must have been a first motion or "prime mover" which was unmoved, this prime mover began all movement without bieng moved, Aquinas stated that the "prime mover" must have been God.

Causes
Nothing can be the cause of it's self, as it would have to 'exist' before bieng caused. This of course is impossible, so like with motion there must have been a first "un caused" cause, that started a chain of causes. This is God.

Contingency
There must have been a time when nothing existed, the cause of the universe would have to be outside of the universe and must have always existed. There muse have been something to cause the universe to exist, this is God.

Of course, this can also be applied to the big bang. So you could say

God = the Big Bang.

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about halfway through reading your post, i said, "the big bang". maybe the reason for religion is to keep fear out of the hearts of men. we live all this time, work so hard for our lives, yet we can't take any of that with us when we die. it's a "promise", that when you leave this earth, you'll live a life with god, a more abundant life. life after death? sounds familiar, uh? we spend so much time wondering about the meaning of life, and no one's come up with an answer. millions and millions of years, asking this question, and no answer. when maybe the only answer is, to live. life on earth is by far the most wonderful experience a human can participate in. look at what we've accomplished on this planet. look at what we live through when we wake up each and every morning, it's amazing. to be able to live on a planet, floating in a seemingly endless environment, surrounded by other planets, by asteroids that could hit us whenever they wanted, we live. any slight explosion in space could send a global-destroyer our way, this very instant. living amongst that danger everyday, is absolutely amazing in my eyes.

There is no god. No amount of drugged up doublespeak is going to prove it!