clones versus seeds the big debate (by happy)

there one thing u never say with a clone

dam another FXXXXXXX Male

lol

hi neojedi
hello mate, yeah clones from a mum is pretty well the best way to go, thats if you dont want to change things in anyway, and yes if you only ever cloned from clones then for sure some degradiation will take place, i use both methods, i clone to limmit the amount of staminate plants i grow, i fertilise certain selected clones with selected staminate plants to give me seedstock that will give me both pistilate and staminate plants of the exact same genre, after germinating and growing these seeds, over a long time, they have become pretty much dependable, i sort of know just what to expect from them, i have tinkered with a few of them this year, i could not get pics as i did not have time, but i have infused some with pollon from a very fast and full body chronic, and two others with a very deep purple and heavily flowering purple haze n/l X it should be interesting, i dont know if i answered any questions but yeah i use both seeds and clones, to me both are equally importent, i could not keep the genre going if i did not.

hi redvetttes,.... i clone males as well, especialy if i have a good one, remember male plants have 50% of what it takes to make that genre, so if you have a male thats really fast, stinks like a polecat, and finishes the ideal hight, why throw it away, i say let it do its thing on a pretty young girl and see what her babys turn out like ....
................. peace ................. happy ....................

I have a question for ya Happy,
Up until now, whenever I have crossed a strain, I am using whatever male appears to best growth characteristics(from whatever has come up from the seeds and then I discard). I have just ordered a Afghani x Bluebery/haze, solely for crossing with a sweet skunk I've had for about 8 years.(trying to impart a little more Sative in the strain) Would the best choice be to collect pollen from several of the males, pollinate one plant, and then grow out the f1s and search for the right male and female phenos I'm trying to get? And then inbreed those select f1s for stability? Thanks, my partner freaks when I have males in the house, think I may work on a breeding lab project :D

hi neojedi
hello mate, i wish ya luck with your crossing mate, most haze varieties will cross into your sweet skunk fairly easy, it might take a few grows to stabilize them a little though, personly i only collected pollon from my bests male, i rarely use different male pollon together, i like to know from the start who's the daddy if you have the room then deffinately use the pollon on other plants i have done a very simular cross just a couple of years ago, the only prob i had was the sativa came through to much, it turned out more sativa than i wanted, it was a lovely smooth smoke that was quite sweet really, but it did loose some of the kick ass punch that was present in the original mum, it also slowed by at least 2 weeks, i worked on it for about 6/7 grows during which time i had crossed it again with a cloned offspring, it did put back that heavy stone that i need, and now looked far more indica, however becourse the branches were very long and looked a little thin i had to stake every branch, buds were very long and heavy and strangly fluffy they were heavy on day of harvest, but when dryed they seemed to lose a lot of weight, much more than was expected, it turned out a lovely smoke mate and i am sure your gonna enjoy i did, i did not have room to keep it going, and it did not cope to well with the damp and cold uk nights when grown outside mate, but hey, if you have the room mate your gonna have fun, mine was not smelly though, it hardly stank at all, it just left a strong orange smell on my hand when handled and it was really sticky, but not frosty, it just had a shinny sticky ooooh i dont know how else to describe it, oh and its seed were huge mate, i have never seen such big pot seeds, i have got myself too stoned mate, i gotta go, i hope this helps....... peace anytime .................. happy .............