West Bank

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

You seem to have the right idea. Everybody who's ever owned that territory throughout written history has been a conqueror. So why support one conqueror over another? We should support every community and every individual's right to make the decisions that affect their lives, without subservience to those who wish to conquer and control others.

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I personally don't support either side. But I'm just saying, the country isn't all that big, if I were in their shoes I wouldn't give up any more than I had to.

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

Game set match Ermitonto. I love tennis!

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Just as insightful as ever....what was the topic again??? :D


BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! :D

Since Irwin "Capo Canuck" Cotler's a Jew, all I can say is "Go Palestine!"

double post. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

You seem to have the right idea. Everybody who's ever owned that territory throughout written history has been a conqueror. So why support one conqueror over another? We should support every community and every individual's right to make the decisions that affect their lives, without subservience to those who wish to conquer and control others.

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Its not just about the land, its how Israel treats the Palestinians. Not only do children have to go to school everyday in fear that some Isreali sniper might shoot them, but they're not entitled to the same benefits as Isrealis. They live in ghettos, have their houses demolished, just because they're not Jewish. The number of Palestinian deaths far surpass Isreali deaths, and this is never covered. People rightly criticize muslim countries for following religious laws and discriminating minorities, but what about Isreal??? They say Isreali is a democracy but how can a "jewish state" be a democracy? you either try to perserve the Jewish character of the state or allow equal representation with Palestinians, which would defeat the purpose of a Jewish state. Of course they have no intention of making peace with Palestinians.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Yah and if ya go back further it was Roman and so on and so forth. Fact is that whole area is an ancient battle ground for conquerors. So who's the shit of the day today?

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Yes, but in recent history the Palestinians were the majority, and they're homes were taken away and they still are.A good parallel would be the Native Americans having they're land taken away when the Europeans began colonializing America. The American government had no intention of keeping their treaties. Ever heard of manifest destiny?

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Originally Posted by Mojavpa

With all the attention given to the settlers who are being forced to leave the Gaza Strip, the pro-Zionist media has become silent on the issue of the West Bank, obviously because Israel is going to tighten its hold on that illegally occuplied territory to appease the conservatives who were reluctant to give away the Gaza Strip. And get this, the settlers who left the Gaza Strip were more than compensated, each family is receiving 200,000 to 500,000 dollars for new homes. On top of that, more settlers are pouring into the West Bank.


http://www.counterpunch.org/bisharat08272005.html

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dont worry. israel will find a way to eradicate those settlers and claim their land.

think of the 200,000 as an investment...kinda like america sustaining the saddam regime until they were ready to get their oil.

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

Just because an army takes over a territory does not make the occupation legitimate. By your logic, Hitler's invasion of Poland would have been perfectly legitimate, because he "wooped some jewish ass".

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good point.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Take a look at the maps and tell me that Israel should give up this land, their sitting on a sliver of a country surrounded by hostiles the way it is. In their shoes, I would'nt give up shit!!!

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i always wondered...so how come israel doesnt relocate?


theyve got enough money and resources...the could move to antartica.


mmmm...jewscicles :D



okay, enough assholery. but you gotta admit, theyve got quite an arsenal. and they're encroaching on land that's not their own anyway.

how come they werent resettled back where the israelites originally came from?

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Originally Posted by Mojavpa

Its not just about the land, its how Israel treats the Palestinians. Not only do children have to go to school everyday in fear that some Isreali sniper might shoot them, but they're not entitled to the same benefits as Isrealis. They live in ghettos, have their houses demolished, just because they're not Jewish. The number of Palestinian deaths far surpass Isreali deaths, and this is never covered. People rightly criticize muslim countries for following religious laws and discriminating minorities, but what about Isreal??? They say Isreali is a democracy but how can a "jewish state" be a democracy? you either try to perserve the Jewish character of the state or allow equal representation with Palestinians, which would defeat the purpose of a Jewish state. Of course they have no intention of making peace with Palestinians.

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you'd think that after the holocaust, the jews would be more mindful of opression and the effects of it.

all their doing is fueling some crazy aryans fire about how hitler shouldve been able to finish the job.