Troops in Iraq

The Iraqis don't need our help running their country any more than we need their help running ours. Especially considering the US government's tendency to support and fund brutal dictators, such as the following:
* Tiburcio Andino (Honduras)
* Carlos Castillo Armas (Guatemala)
* Fulgencio Batista (Cuba)
* Ngo Dinh Diem (Vietnam)
* "Papa Doc" Duvalier (Haiti)
* King Fahd (Saudi Arabia)
* King Hussein (Jordan)
* Saddam Hussein (Iraq)
* Chiang Kai-shek (China)
* Ferdinand Marcos (Phillippines)
* Joseph Désiré Mobutu (Congo/Zaire)
* Manuel Noriega (Panama)
* Mohammed Riza Pahlavi (the Shah of Iran)
* The Somoza Family (Nicaragua)
* Suharto (Indonesia)
* Rafael Trujillo Molina (Dominican Republic)
* Salvador Allende (Chile)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ermitonto

The Iraqis don't need our help running their country

---

WE are not running their country number one. Number two, the Iraqi government has the choice on when we depart. You would want to see this country handed over to extremists or Al-Quada?

I like Nietzsche's view that Power is Good and Weakness is Evil. If the Iraqis don't want us there, they should make us leave. Weakness is wrong, not Iraqis or Muslims or terrorists or anything else.

If the troops aren't helping them run their country then what the hell are all they doing over there? Twiddling their thumbs? It's obvious they're holding and controlling occupied territory.

We should leave Iraq to the Iraqis. There's no reason to suspect Al Qaeda could wrestle control of that country any more than they could in any other country of the region. No reason to suspect that they could take control of an Iraqi-run Iraq but not whatever American-backed dictatorship ends up ruling the country. And as far as the "extremists" go, I would like to know what you define as "extremist". Are you using it in the corporate-media buzzword sense?

Quote:

---

Extremist: This has come to mean "anyone who deviates from the edicts of Washington." Can be applied to foreign or domestic opponents. They are always "extremists." Also known as MILITANTS.

---

Because if that is the case, then I don't see any other option for Iraq than extremism. Extremism seems to imply anything that strays significantly from the accepted ruling ideology that supports the status quo. Since the status quo is a complete failure, then extremism is necessary to correct the situation. But I rather dislike the term, since it is an umbrella term for a whole slew of ideas which really have little to do with each other. For example, it encompasses both anarchists and Muslim religious fanatics who want nothing short of total world domination, but not the Christian religious fanatics who are already in the process of world domination.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Omun

You should seriously consider watching the movie Bambi, because you obviously have never heard this... "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all". Come on man I learned that in preschool. Oh, but my SOB comment was called for.

---

um, you're a cornball

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by doomfreak

i think your father should have pulled out of your mother sooner.

---

ZING!!!!!!!

seriously, all this shit about they are taught to hate us, how the fuck do you know that, these people dont give a fuck about us, they just tryin to live day by day, its the poeple high up, with tones of time on there hands, people who actually go to the middle east say radicalsim and extremeism is pretty unpopular, not the average workingman's hobby
and you think that all the middle east is made up of madmen with lots of power? is that why they beg for food and live in mud huts and the rubble we left in iraq? we all know the whole Operation Freedom shit is complete and total b.s., if you honestly believe that bush has the iraqi peoples intrests at heart need to lay off the copious amounts of meth and lsd they are doin,
you can discredit all the usuall theories about oil and what not all you want, you just cant face the fact that another conservative is fucking up, and fucking up terribly
we are oppressin these people in the worst possible ways, we need to stop wastin time shootin down poeple because they are brown and angry, and use the troops to clean up new orleans, not just shoot at looters either, we got some pretty serious shit goin on in the south, if they dont get help soon, shit is gonna go down

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Smokey McPot

I believe we should stay in and kill every bad guy so no more attacks occur. To many people have died to give up. Everybody should be smart enough to realize that the middle easterners will not give up. they are going to attack in the future again.

---

Classic misinformed/underinformed american, first of all we arent over there to "kill all the bad guys". Also not every middle easterner is a terrorist, idiot.

God it pisses me off when I hear little 9 and 10 year olds talk about how there wish they could be over there killing iraqi's its just fucking sick. First of all not too many Terrorists are even iraqi alot of them come from out good (oil producing) friends, the Saudi's. This was on terror is bullshit. Why havn't we attacked all the other terror habouring nations? Because this isnt a war on terror.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

WE are not running their country number one. Number two, the Iraqi government has the choice on when we depart. You would want to see this country handed over to extremists or Al-Quada?

---

WTF ARE YOU ON? Yeah okay think about it as if you were an Iraqi official, how many people want to kill me: not most average citizens, but a very large handfull of EXTREMESTS. So why the bloody hell would I want to get rid of my only good line of defense (US Military)??? You think the Iraqi police are gonna be able to fucking control all the shit that WE have started over there. Think again.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by daZenfmeister

Because this isnt a war on terror.

---

How is a war on terror even possible? It's like declaring a war on sadness or a war on anger. You can't just wipe out an emotion!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by daZenfmeister

You think the Iraqi police are gonna be able to fucking control all the shit that WE have started over there. Think again.

---

Bingo.