as a proud atheist, I think that's a dumb list. I think there are much better reasons to be atheist than just pointing out ridiculous pointless logical fallacies.
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as a proud atheist, I think that's a dumb list. I think there are much better reasons to be atheist than just pointing out ridiculous pointless logical fallacies.
i think it is as stupid to be sure of god's non-existence (or any forms of spiritual or higher spirits) then it is to be sure of it
im not atheist, but i think a bit as a buddhist: if theres a god, which is possible, it is too complicated anyway for the humans to understand it. so why lose our time saying he doesnt or he does exists.
thats the question
The problem with stating that there is or isn't a god is that it's very hard to define what exactly a "god" is. I can show individual religions not to be true, but I can't discredit anything anybody might consider a god, since different people have widely divergent definitions of gods. For example, one man might believe in God as interpreted literally from the Bible, while another might believe in a god merely as whatever event caused the universe to come into existence, and yet another might consider God to simply be synonymous with the sum total of everything that exists, existed or will exist. Now clearly all of existence exists, so that form of God must be real (but I have to question what value one gets out of calling it "God").
When I say I don't believe in God, what I mean is that I find highly unlikely the existence of some extremely powerful force/energy/spirit/whatever in the universe that is not made out of observable matter and energy. If we can't empirically observe this thing, whatever it is, for all practical purposes we can assume it doesn't exist, like unicorns. And if it does exist, it seems to be pretty indifferent to the acts of us humans and nothing is gained by wasting your time with it if we can't even detect its influence on our reality.
What I do know for certain is that the Christian God does not exist. Since most people with whom I debate the existence of God are Christians, this makes things a lot easier for me. Christians have a tangible dogma that I can analyze, and they make specific assertions about how God might have interacted and still be interacting with the world as we know it, so their hypotheses are testable. All Christian interpretations of God are based largely on the Bible, so we can use this text to find out if the Christian God, the most widespread conception of a deity, is real or not. And the overwhelming evidence is that it is not. Even most Christians will acknowledge that huge portions of the Bible, like Noah's Flood and Moses parting the Red Sea and such, are merely works of fiction. And yet I haven't seen one Christian explain to me how to reliably distinguish the fiction from the non-fiction in the Bible. What do we trust, what don't we trust? With such wacky tall tales in it, how can people be so sure that the other parts of it are true? Plus the book contains big glaring errors, contradicting itself hundreds of times. For instance, there are two Adam and Eve stories; one where they were both created simultaneously, and one where God fucks up at first and only creates Adam, tries to get him to commit bestiality, and finally realizes he needs a human vagina to complement Adam's human penis (duh, you "omniscient" idiot!). In one passage God is saying "thou shalt not kill", and then in another he orders the Israelites to commit genocide on the Amalekites. In one passage it will say that all sins are forgiven, and in another it will say that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost "shall not be forgiven unto men". Largely the same arguments can be made against the existence of the Jewish and Muslim gods.
So if there is a God, I know for a fact that it can't be the one as depicted in the major monotheistic religions of the world, and that's what really matters when I call myself an atheist. It's just a label to define my beliefs in relation to those of others. Of course it would be impossible to say that no gods exist without a clear and precise definition of just what a god might be, and that would be a fairly pointless exercise anyways since whatever you decided a god is, most people would probably disagree with you. But if we're discussing the ideas of God as depicted in the holy texts central to the "revealed" religions, they fall about as easily as a row of dominos.
I like that! :D Should be in your sig...Quote:
Originally Posted by mvolta
those questions don't necessarily lead to atheism, there are a lot of other religions and things out there.
I believe in God and it's mostly reflective through the core of Christianity and that's why I don't go to church. plus there are actually ppl there that say those fucking things as answers all the time and mean them. what the fuck. haha
God is in you and all around you, nigga!
The answer to a lot of thoes questions are eaisly answered if you just look for it. I don't agree that they would convince me to be an athiest, but here is a site that you might want to look at. It has lots of answers that seem reasonable.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics.html
first of all, GOD lets us make our own decisions. 2nd the devil isnt inchained in the enternal damnnation yet, hes running wild tring to corrupt us, and everyone here pretty much is letting that happen, and i feel sorry for you and i hope you turn around, 3rd, he intrusts his word to be spoken wisely to the people who want to hear it, if you dont believe ...... great again i feel sory for you, and as for the other bologna you were talking about i didnt bother to read it
ever seen those american kids shows run by inbred southern yanks, who teach all the kids the bad thoughts you think are caused by the Devil? run by twisted stupid fucks like Melton420, who say they feel sorry for us for not believing in his pathetic religion and hope we change our beliefs, I hope you die Melton420, very soon, it's not the devil putting bad thoughts into my head, it's me genuinely wanting you to be hurt and killed very soon.
Hooray! Once again, Christianity and religion in general is pissing people off!
Also, Melton, regarding your avatar, WWJD?