Warning: You are all blindly enmeshed into an artifically constructed dynamic society

Jesus I follow your thinking and have written many pages along that path.
I love to explore the reaches of the mind that most fear to acknowledge because they lack control to remain dominant over their urges. Our 'reality' forces us to shun these thoughts but I say embrace them and own them they ARE us. People will never know themselves as long as they refuse to confront the things they hide inside. Most people will deny what they are to be 'normal' and 'safe' but we all know who we really are.
Its a carefully constructed illusion we live in and it depends upon our blindness to remain stable enough to fool us into being blind enough not to see it for what it really is. Its all words. Real life lives in the spaces betwee words and in the silences between our thoughts. I know who I am and I know who I can become. And, I know who I ignore to keep playing this game we all play. Some games need players, some players need games. Some know that they ARE the game.
I play along only as much as I need to and can stand to play.
I hold tight to my character so I can cope with what we have on our plate and swallow it everyday. Its a necessary sacrifice. I buy into the game and convince myself I can tolerate it to avoid friction and all that comes with being outside the game.
Fundamentally, I am a player who sees beyond the game but continues to smear myself with the filth of the machine so I can try to forget my own slavery. There is no way out, so I dont try to break free physically. I have my 'responsibilities' and I function quite well considering. But I long to be free of these chains as much as you. But, some of the debravity you mention just isnt my style.The program has been written and it runs 24/7. The occasional self made virus gives me relief but soon enough it is cleaned from my system and I carry on.
In my mind I am free from it all but physically I am , and always will be , a slave.
I understand those who explore it within their minds but to act it out is another thing.
I'd love to get into chat with you sometime but tonight is not the night.
Hopefully sometime we can debate this. I love a good existential debate.
Just tonight isnt the night.
peace.

Sounds alot like Jean-Jacques Rousseau to me. I like Fredreich Nietzsche, but if I recall he was not very fond of Nihilists. I read alot of philosophy over the past summer break.

Usually I smoke just to think. I can uncover more thoughts in a shorter time, and discard more 'conscious' thoughts. You can learn alot by uprooting things you already know from your unconscious. Interesting subject anyways...

Funky Monkey-Your thoughts are well in proportion to mine. We have similar beliefs. If I may ask you, how and when did you acquire that conscious-awakening philosophical belief? Nietzsche perhaps? I have had this belief all my life, as I started out ridiculing toys and playtime that the other babies loved, and the basis of my belief matured into an intellectual core of Nihilism. We are all born with a certain belief of something, and our beliefs gradually graduate into more sophiscated evolution. As you said funky Monkey, we in the mind are free by the virtues of our belief, but we physically, are strangled in bonds and chained, in which we were strapped onto since birth. Marijuana liberates the mind, and that is exactly what we are trying to do...liberate the mind, free the spirits, and be in harmony with this earth. Please dont mistake me for Buddhism, I am in antagonism to that moralistic religion of decadence. Funky Monkey, please e-mail me when you have a chance to, and we can further this existential-based philosphical discussion. I look forward to talking with you more. Later everybody, and keep your mind free of all moralistic dogma!

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Originally Posted by Toking with Jesus

Muggles you make an excellent point. I had an assumption that when you get stoned, you get philosphical?

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I do sometimes. I'll just think and think and think. But the minds at this board are young still, as philosophy doesn't interest their minds quite yet, that is all. I am in no means mocking you, but some here...that stuff is too deep for them to care or understand. Peace

Jesus in answer to your question...my current mindset is one I have had since I can remember. I was subjected to a lot of bullshit at a young age that forced me to internalize myself and spent countless hours on reflection. I came to the early realisation that what is within the mind is closer to reality than what is outside it.
I did not grow up feeling the world outside my head was a safe place so I did not buy into the beliefs that most others did. I found that within the mind there is total freedom, no rules and restrictions, and no reason to shun thoughts that would comfort me. I grew to depend upon myself and my silences to help me cope with the shit outside my mind. By the time I had grown and started to grow outside my mind I was firmly enmeshed in a reality not like the one poeple are forced to conform to.I had a certain degree of distance from it.
I explored my mind to the extent that I was one with it and did not fear it. The various levels of consciousness, and what I found there, were my teachers and my companions. I had friends outside my head, hehe dont get me wrong there. I am just saying that I have always listened to and respected the wisdom that came from altered perception. I filed my info away differently and accessed it differently. I became aware of abilities and gifts beyond physical constraints and I cherished them. I retreated there when necessary and grew to have a distaste for the comformity that forces people to turn their backs on their true selves. I did not want to spend my life chasing someone elses dreams and fulfilling someone elses goals. I was cynical. I was also in some way naive because 'resistance is futile' and we must all conform or be forced into tighter restraints and supervision.
I had to learn how to play the game without revealing what I held inside.
I became manipulative and calculating, and in this retained a seperation from owning the commonly held perceptions and misconceptions that make the machine run.
I became the dirt within the machine. I was in it , I was part of it, but I was still seperate from it.
I reached a point of decision. Which side of this mayhem would I call my home.
I could have easily fell into a life that we call depraved yet I chose the opposite and grew into that role. But I never left behind the perceptions that could have fed me in grwoing the opposite direction. I kept it all and formed a relationship of dominance over it. I am the master of my own internal rages and suffering and I decide how tightly to chain them up.
I obsorbed as much information about it as I could in order to better understand it and my place in it. And , I learned how to look like , and act like , the rest of the gears that turned.
I hate this system , I have a burning desire to see it fall but at the same time my level of connection to it forces me to feel my part in it and to protect this part like my own child because without it we have no structure to replece it. I want and need this structure for my children to live under until they know of a better way. I have an investment in its survival and so I protect it despite my despising it. I need it.
But within my mind the gears of a different machine grind away night and day.
I know who I am and I feel free in this knowledge.
I could go on and on but perhaps the rest is best for more private communications.

Peace.

Jesus; Just keep your idea dynamic. By stuffing yourself into one mode of thought, one philosophical idea, one "label" ((nihilist)), you restrict your thoughts from evolving. They end up like a broken record that no matter what you do can't change the totality of society. You sound like you have an interesting brain. If you stuff it into one idea that you'll never convince the world of, you end up preventing change instead of promoting it.

You can admire criminals, but most don't have the thought pattern you're giving them credit for. Most are just sheep of a different breed, just as any follower of any particular pre-created idea is.

Don't confuse yourself into thinking that simply because you're different from the majority, that that qualifies you as different. We've all got unique pieces, whether you've got more or less is of little matter. You can't be a predator. There's no place for life carnivore's anymore. And no matter how hard you try, I can't see an opening to be one. You can be a black sheep, but you're still a sheep, just a bad one.

Maybe I just spoke completely randomly, but that's how I feel about your post and since you only got feedback from one person, I figured I'd give you another person's.

PS - Sorry to double post, but have you taken any college level sociology/psychology/social-psychology classes? Alot of the stuff you said are recognized by psychology. Social norms, the illusion, etc. But it's talked about in less of a conspiracy manner. Deviance, norms, values, etc. People write books on it. And even my book from my first college psychology class has a couple chapters on it.

The illusion you speak of is pretty much just culture. If you moved the illusion would be a little different in it's basic appearance ((maybe people eat their babies on the island you visit)) but there's still the illusion. Because that illusion is just what most people agree to. Most people only agree to the norms to a certain degree and deviate in minor ways. Blah blah bllaaahhhhhh. Anyway, it's hardly an illusion though when everyone agrees to it. It's more of just accepted reality. ((Maybe there were certain innovators to individual parts of the illusion, but the population took that part and accepted it.))

There is no such thing as a black sheep in the realms of my imagination. It's either you are a sheep, or you aren't. No colors here. And yes, there is a place for carnivores, predators, and tigers, call them as you like, and that place is within those who refuse to obey man-made laws, the "criminal" if you will. Serial killers, mass murderers, spree killers, dictators, and breeds of any killing class are the tigers that roam the countryside. Sure every criminal doesnt have a philisophy to back up his actions, usually his actions are those reinforcing the self-survival predatory instinct;the drive for money, lust, and power. These are the instincts the sheeps repress. These are the instincts the criminal tigers reinforce. What do you call a tiger that suppresses his predatory instincts? Extinct. What do you call a sheep that disobeys man's laws? Extinct. There's no such thing as the latter aforementioned. I admire criminals for their ability to reinforce such predatory, animal-like instincts, as we all have, but unfortunately repress as we are kept in constant check of the sheep herd-lined society backed up via the law enforcement agencies, the military, and the order of law. Sure criminals are not born "conscious", making them the predator, the strong. Remember, the strong survive, the weak perish according to the theory of natural selection. Books I recommend you read
Will to Power-Friedrich Nietzsche
Natural selection-Charles Darwin
Antichrist-Friedrich Nietzsche
Gates of Janus-Ian Brady
and check out www.counterorder.com Nihilist intellectual manifesto.

Also if you are interested in the hehaviors of the criminals read books on serial killers. Albert Fish was an interestin character, as he didnt recognize the boundaries of moralistic dogma, and did things the way he wanted to. He went as far as to commit supposedly "vile" acts such as Coprophagy, Urophagy, Cannabilism, sadistic-masochistic intentions, and a vast array of other supposedly bizarre behaviors that society recognizes as "evil". Sure, we are physically trapped, as we are all forced to adhere to society's laws, or else, prison time. We can, however, liberate the mind.

I love reading stuff like this.....i dont think like you guys....i love reading about things like this.... i find it extremly interesting...and when i normally think about this in as much depth as you guys have i confuse myself...

i completly understand what your saying and the most part of it is true but....imo......i cant controll my thoughts well enough to think that deep into somthing