Look! I found the Antithesis of Torog...

Such are the shortcomings of the oversimplistic left-right spectrum. Judging by your description, onwardthroughthefog, you would belong in the lower-right quadrant of the Political Compass, that is, you believe in conservative economic policies but libertarian social policies. Torog has said he is up in the upper-right quadrant, that is, conservative economic policies and authoritarian social policies. I suppose I would be the antithesis of that, being waaaay in the lower left quadrant (liberal economic policies, libertarian social policies) at about -9 on both scales.

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

Such are the shortcomings of the oversimplistic left-right spectrum. Judging by your description, onwardthroughthefog, you would belong in the lower-right quadrant of the Political Compass, that is, you believe in conservative economic policies but libertarian social policies. Torog has said he is up in the upper-right quadrant, that is, conservative economic policies and authoritarian social policies. I suppose I would be the antithesis of that, being waaaay in the lower left quadrant (liberal economic policies, libertarian social policies) at about -9 on both scales.

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Not sure about the quadrants, but regardless of which quadrant a person is in, I'd rather he or she be up front and a stand up kind of person than someone who never has grown up enough to have enough knowledge on subjects to have intelligent opinions. By the way, I wasn't referring to you, as your reply was well written and intelligent.

I took one of those profiles on here a few weeks ago, and it said that I fall next to Gandhi and Nelson Mandela. I suppose on some issues that's pretty accurate. I just don't think I'm easily pidgeon holed on all issues. My views on people who molest or harm children, are sexual predators, or are serial killers are about as right wing as they can be.

Unless someone is deliberately hurting me, someone I know or love, or society in general, I get along with most people pretty well, regardless of their religious affiliation, political views, or social status.

Here's my philosophy in a nutshell.....some folks see a glass as half empty, while others see it as half full. I just want to know who the hell stole half of my drink!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

Actually BB I meant no harm that is why I said "antithesis".....I see Torog as an example of the far right.....and this guy as far left as you can go.....it was never meant to be taken literally..... :rolleyes:

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Oh dear *quietly grabs coat and leaves again* !

Ahhh it's OK BB......it was a little mean spirited.

Lol, yeah well, nothing like an A-grade forum fuck-up to embarass the shit out of you :rolleyes: !

Forgive me, all you guys do is hate eachother.

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

Actually BB I meant no harm that is why I said "antithesis".....I see Torog as an example of the far right.....and this guy as far left as you can go.....it was never meant to be taken literally..... :rolleyes:

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Howdy Blue Cat,

Lord have mercy ! At first I thought that those words were coming from yer mouth,till I saw the link at the bottom..whew ! You're right,that feller is my antithesis..dang !

When folks use alot of profanity on-line,I tend to discount what they say and their credibility goes way down,in my estimation. I wasn't raised to talk to folks that way and it puzzles me somewhat,when they do treat others like that. To me,it's a sign of a not very good character..or at least,a somewhat shallow character. But I'm probably wrong..and it's just my raising and my own hang-ups,that git in the way..Lord knows that I gotta lot of hang-ups ! lol

Have a good one ...

PS: I'd like to submit a pic,which I hope doesn't offend you or anyone..but it does show the fallacy of being too hateful..something that I myself,need to be careful of.

what a great picture!so very true.gonna be more to come next year and in '08.

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Originally Posted by onwardthroughthefog

Just thought I'd share a personal insight. Though I've never met Torog in person, I have found him to be very, very friendly and easy to converse with on here. He and I have differing views on politics and government, but those differences are more due to personal experiences than either of us being "right" or "wrong". If he and I were to spend an afternoon cane pole fishing for crappie in a local lake, I imagine he and I would have numerous things we agree on to talk about.

Some of you would consider me to be a left-leaning person, and on some issues I am. On other issues I am very conservative. If I were forced to "label" myself politically, I guess I'm a fiscal conservative and a social libertarian. There are some issues i am quite right-wing on and some issues I am quite left-wing on. I don't see life as being an absolute that would allow me to stick to one political mind-set regardless of any and all actions and results.

One thing I love about where I live is that I am surrounded by friends who come from tremendously varied backgrounds, and we all seem to get along very well. Disagreeing on politics or religious beliefs doesn't mean people can't respect each other and enjoy the other's company. It's a lot like being happily married.....sometimes your friendship or relationship is best preserved by just knowing you're right and not trying to convince someone else that you are.

I agree with many things Blue Cat says, and I think the cat has a lot of interesting thoughts. I also find many things that Torog believes in as being admirable and respectable.

One thing you can't deny....Torog is honest, and will tell you what he really believes. Too many people are spineless and wishy washy to have the guts to speak their mind. Agree or disagree, I'd much rather know what a person really thinks than to be strung along never knowing which way the wind is blowing.

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Howdy onward,

Thanx for your very kind words..honesty is truly the best policy,both to one's self and to others. You're right about Blue Cat,she does make some very good points and is better at finding info to back up her arguments,than I ever will be. I'd rather post an article and debate it,than do the work I should do,to back up my arguments..shame on me.

Have a good one !

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Originally Posted by Button Basher

Oh dear *quietly grabs coat and leaves again* !

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Howdy BB,

Thanx for your kind words as well..please don't leave..your opinion is valuable to me and others here and we enjoy debating things with you..we need all the input that we can git,so that we can figure things out..I don't like the Left/Right polarization,I just want us to all be united in stopping terrorism..I need to stop being so polarizing myself and be a part of the solution,not a part of the problem.

Have a good one !

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy onward,

Thanx for your very kind words..honesty is truly the best policy,both to one's self and to others. You're right about Blue Cat,she does make some very good points and is better at finding info to back up her arguments,than I ever will be. I'd rather post an article and debate it,than do the work I should do,to back up my arguments..shame on me.

Have a good one !

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Rule of thumb to live by... "I rather be hated for who I am than to be loved for who I am not"

Basically, be yourself and be honest, no posing of something you're not.