My point was Psycho wasn't disrespecting them by misspelling their name any more than you are by using our made-up name for them. Now, if he'd called them Nips or Japs, I'd agree with you.
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My point was Psycho wasn't disrespecting them by misspelling their name any more than you are by using our made-up name for them. Now, if he'd called them Nips or Japs, I'd agree with you.
So Sorry!!! They're playing that show again on Discovery.Quote:
Originally Posted by ermitonto
It's really something how the Japanese viewed the Chinese. Not good enough for a bullet or their sword so they would kill them with rocks. Now thats hostile!
Perhaps you're right. I am a bit of a pedant, though. I do a lot of proofreading and I'm a linguistics student so grammar and spelling errors are one of my pet peeves.
But back to the topic at hand, I wonder why instead it could not have been arranged to drop a bomb over some thinly populated Japanese-controlled island somewhere. They could measure the blast radius, we could say "just think about what this could do to your cities", I'm sure they could have put two and two together and would at least have had a chance at considering surrender to our nuclear weapons without the excessive loss of life that unfortunately occurred.
You had a whole race of people that believed that it was honorable to die for the Emperor. They had to essentially break they're back.Quote:
Originally Posted by ermitonto
This is what the Chinese endured from Japan:
Country Pop. Killed/Missing / Wounded /Total(Military) Civilian(deaths)
China /450m /1.3 million /1.8 million /3.1 million /9 million
Japan had and estimated dead and wounded of 150,000 at Nagasaki.
Firstly, do not confuse race with nation. Perhaps the majority of the nation held that belief, but by no means all of them, and certainly not the entire Japanese race. Some members of that race were ordinary Americans held in internment camps. Races do not hold beliefs. People do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
And if the key to breaking Japan's back was by showing them a weapon which could potentially paralyze their entire country, I ask why it was necessary to simply kill huge numbers of Japanese civilians out of the blue, no warning or anything. And then to attack MORE civilians before they even had a real chance to surrender, just for the hell of it. How is showing them the power of a nuclear weapon by killing lots of civilians more effective than showing them the power of a nuclear weapon by killing very few civilians? The United States government unnecessarily murdered hundreds of thousands of people as a means to a political end, and people are hesitant to call any government action terrorist. :rolleyes:
The highest ranking officer in the Pacific Theater, General Douglas MacArthur (who was not consulted), called the bombings "completely unnecessary from a military point of view."
Eisenhower wrote in his memoirs:
"In 1945 Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act? During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment, was I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives."
The United States Strategic Bombing Survey, which interviewed hundreds of Japanese civilian and military leaders after the surrender, had this to say:
"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."
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Originally Posted by ermitonto
when we look back we see the entire aftermath,and can ARMCHIAR the facts
no one knew what exactly would happen, no body.
the empire was defeated when its god like leader saw that the usa would kill every living thing on his island if he did not tell his War Machine to stop.
the people would all die for him
he ask them not to
end of story
Pearl Harbour was (and is) a largely military city, does that mean it was right for the Japanese to bomb the shit out of it? Please, it was your typical vulgar display of power, and a war atrocity. Then again, those are just words.
WWII was a rather disgusting chapter in world history. Virtually no country is free of blame when it comes to atrocities. Japan itself commited some of the most horrific atrocities.
We have such a distorted view of what actually happened in this war, its terrifying.
The Hiroshima Cover-Up
by Amy Goodman and David Goodman
A story that the U.S. government hoped would never see the light of day finally has been published, 60 years after it was spiked by military censors. The discovery of reporter George Weller's firsthand account of conditions in post-nuclear Nagasaki sheds light on one of the great journalistic betrayals of the last century: the cover-up of the effects of the atomic bombing on Japan.
On Aug. 6, 1945, the U.S. dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima; three days later, Nagasaki was hit. Gen. Douglas MacArthur promptly declared southern Japan off-limits, barring the news media. More than 200,000 people died in the atomic bombings of the cities, but no Western journalist witnessed the aftermath and told the story. Instead, the world's media obediently crowded onto the battleship USS Missouri off the coast of Japan to cover the Japanese surrender.
A month after the bombings, two reporters defied General MacArthur and struck out on their own. Mr. Weller, of the Chicago Daily News, took row boats and trains to reach devastated Nagasaki. Independent journalist Wilfred Burchett rode a train for 30 hours and walked into the charred remains of Hiroshima.
Both men encountered nightmare worlds. Mr. Burchett sat down on a chunk of rubble with his Baby Hermes typewriter. His dispatch began: "In Hiroshima, 30 days after the first atomic bomb destroyed the city and shook the world, people are still dying, mysteriously and horribly - people who were uninjured in the cataclysm from an unknown something which I can only describe as the atomic plague."
He continued, tapping out the words that still haunt to this day: "Hiroshima does not look like a bombed city. It looks as if a monster steamroller has passed over it and squashed it out of existence. I write these facts as dispassionately as I can in the hope that they will act as a warning to the world."
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0805-20.htm