Some thoughts on "opting out"

sorry 2 hear that man

Man I'm sorry to hear that, that's got to be hard. I like how they do funerals in Korea though, after they're buried they're considered to be in heaven or released from karma (depending who you ask), so you stop being sad and go back to acting normal. They consider death as a definite step up.

I can empathize with you 100% a very very dear friend of mine who guided me through teenage years sometimes with a clip on the ear she was a gem. jumped from a multi story with her child, I don't think I'll ever come to terms with it such a sad loss

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

. I think we all know how the loss of a family member or friend can effect us; so in some ways suicide may be considered the selfish way out. But I think that the people who choose to commit suicide will have decided, in alot of circumstances, that ending their own life is the only way to cope - when somebody has reached that point I don't think rationality and selflessness are a major part of their thought processes. For them, suicide is the greatest relief and the last resort...)

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I agree.. remember that although it is hard to understand, people who consider suicide are usually suffering from a mental illness most commonly depression. They are not thinking straight...like a schizophrenic who hears voices, the person who is severely depressed cannot think rationally and then tragedy ensues. "Selfishness" cannot be used to describe anyone in a situation like this..although it "seems" selfish to others because of the pain that people feel. But that concept cannot be applied to a person who takes their own life! If you've considered suicide but managed to stop thinking about it..it's not because you decided to not be selfish, you managed somehow to come out of the depressive thought pattern you were locked in to for whatever reason, but some people can't because of their illness. We still have along way to go in really undestanding how the human mind works and all the things that can go wrong with your brain.

My solution to depression, smoke weed. Works for me so far.

I'm so sorry to hear about your friend. Suicide is just so so sad. :(

People who have never struggled with mental illness just can't understand that though process...my thinking [during a very deep depression] was that my family and friends would be better off without me. Having to deal with me was just a pain in the ass, a burden if you will. I was screwing up my kids and my husbands lives; they'd be better off without me. I know many people say that suicide is just selfishness, but in MY mind, I was going to do them a favor. Thank God I didn't, and I got the help that I needed. I hope you are able to find peace. Take care.

You've all been very kind, and I appreciate it a lot.

I've since heard that Ron was fighting depression for several years; I didn't have a clue, he was always on top of things and very upbeat. Never hesitated to help people, had a great sense of humor, and a good intellect. His deciding to end it all was a complete shock and surprise. He ran his own forum, was a moderator and/or member on several others. The fact that we're not talking about much else on the forums gives some indication of how well liked he was. More like a celebrity, as well as a close friend.

Thanks again,

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Hey 4252,

We've talked about this already a little bit and I still don't have the words. I'm sorry you lost your friend. It must have been a difficult time for him and I wish he would have leaned on his friends a little more instead of just checking out. I don't know how to make sense of all this. I wish I could help you but I know that I can't.

4252,

In my opinion the best support anybody can give is to be available to give support when it's needed.. If you need to talk, vent, shout, cry, scream or hurl abuse then us Cannabis.comers will always be hear to 'listen', man. :)