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Graywolf!
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Aloha,
Weezard
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Sorry, no can, brah.
Cdot does not allow links to other boards.
"Where did I learn all this good stuff?
Graywolf!
The man knows what he's doing.
Look him up."
Or, google me.
We can talk more freely, elsewhere.
Aloha,
Weezard
So I'm thinkin I may have missed one very important step. As far as what I have just been reading other places are concerned. I did not decarb the bud in an oven beforehand. And went straight to the water soak then the ethanol soak. So Weezard, you say that just by heating the filtered alcohol extract. After I am done soaking the non- decarb'd bud in it, it will activate or transform the THCA into the psychoactive THC? And will be fine? Or if I just heated the mixture while the bud is still soaking in the ethanol will I be able to sufficiently dearb the bud, even though it is wet and submerged in the ethanol? Because from what I have been reading it sounds like the weed needs to be heated to around 240 degrees Fahrenheit for at least a half hour. But does the bud need to be dry and exposed to air for it to decarb properly? Or can it still decarb while its soaking? It sounds like you are saying it will be fine and will decarb just when I heat it to evap the solvent. But I just want to figure this out. Because I don't want this whole batch to just be a waste. I spent pretty much my last money on this ounce to make this medicine for my pain and it would be a shame if it ended up just being all THCA and not containing the pain killing properties I'm really trying to get out of it.
If i screwed it up its my fault though. I dident do sufficient research before hand and it may bite me in the ass now. I guess that's just what happens though.
I do hope I can salvage it though. Because I don't have months for the long soak like you were saying to fully decarb.
I just put the jar of the cannabis and ethanol in a double boiler for like 20 mins just to add some heat hoping that would decarb the stuff a little bit. If it is possible while its in the state it's in. Instead of being dry bud in the oven its the ground up bud soaking it ethanol. I don't know if it can decarb like that. And I know the double boiler method can only reach 212 degrees.
I would have heated it longer but I'm at my parents house just for the mean time after my surgery so I can have people around to help me get around and what not because I have a bunch of broken ribs and metal bars in my chest now and I needed to rent a hospital bed and all that shit. And they couldent get it into my appartment because its on the top floor. And I don't have a car so I need people to drive me around. But anyways. I can't be stinking up the house. My mom knows what I'm doing because I told her out of respect, and she understands. But my step dad would be pissed as hell if I was doing this in his house.
But it doesant matter. if I need to do something that's gonna stink up the place to finish this decarb then that's fine. I just dident do it for too long because he's up and about tonight. If I need to do it for a longer period of time I will just wait for a more opportune moment. If I have to I will just tell him what's up but he's just old schools and hates weed. He's still caught up in the reefer madness type propaganda. And I would rather just avoid that whole confrontation. I'm just worried about this whole decarb thing I forgot to do first. And hope it can be salvaged. If anyone can help me out I would once again be so grateful you can't even begin to understand. I hate having to bug everyone with stupid questions. And a never ending stream of them. But I just want this to go right so I can use it to help myself. Not that I have it all that bad and I'm not looking for pitty. I just want this medicine to work. Cuz I hate taking narcotics even though its pretty heavy pain.
Gotcha, relax!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Charles
It is now becoming clear why you have eschewed inhalation titration in favor of a tinctureization.
Since I was once in your battered shoes, I'll be tickled to be of assistance.
First:
If the buds went full term, (lots of amber glands), there is already a percentage of decarbed THC and CBD present.
It's an ongoing process that happens rapidly, on-the-fly, when smoking.
And more slowly at lower temps.
So, your ill-conceived tincture is almost certain to have the desired effect to some degree. :)
And B:
As to degree?
I'd go so far as to advise extreme caution when figuring out the proper dosage.
Start small and remember that it can take more than an hour to take effect when ingested.
So, the rule is:
Eat a gob, wait an hour.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Aloha,
Sorry to hear about the owies.
Weeze
However, you will not be thrilled with the taste.
^^^ditto. hope your recovery is rapid and complete, Jack.
Weezard, thank you so much for being here to help me through this process and answering my questions. I truly hope you understand how grateful I am for your help and understanding.
It sounds like I should be able to salvage the medicine and be able to complete the decarboxylation process properly now. I'm assuming that I can decarb just the oil and I don't need to do it on the plant material itself after it has been washed/ extracted by the ethanol because by the time I get the the point where I will be able to bring the temperature up high enough for the decarbing to work, The straining will have already taken place and the plant material with be gone.
As for getting the temperature up high enough to decarb the oil. I think I have an idea. Obviously I cannot use a double boiler for this part because the water will only reach 212 which isn't sufficient unless I want to do it for 6 hours like you said. But I figured I could maybe use the same concept; but instead of water being in the base, I could use oil of some type. Like canola oil or olive oil. Because both of these oils can be heated to up to over at least 350 to 400 degrees Fahrenheit before the smoke point is reached and the process would be compromised. But I would have no need to bring it even close to that point anyways, I just need to bring it up to like 230 or 240 or whatever. Which I'm pretty sure would be possible. I would just heat up the oil and use my thermometer to make sure the temperature is good and get the temperature stable at a good temp and make sure the heat source will be stable as well. Then I could take the cannabis oil I have and place it in the oil bath in a Pyrex container. Then heat it for like 20 30 mins and it should be good then theoretically? I don't have a coffee warmer so I figured this could also get the job done. I just have to be careful with the oil and make sure the apparatus isn't flimsy or anything. But I will take my time constructing it and getting it properly set up and the heat stable in the oil before I start the decarb of the cannabis oil.
Does this sound like it would work?
After the soak is done, Which probably could even be today it sounds like since its been a day in the ethanol and apparently it only takes 6 minutes to get all the resins out, I could just strain out the plant material. Then evap to oil. Then use my double oil boiler method to decarb the remaining oil at around 230-240 degrees for 20-30 mins. Even though the oil won't be boiling it will just be hot as shit sitting there.
Thank you for your kind words as well shovel handle. I hope the same thing. And it seems to be going that way so far, so so far so good as they say, haha!
I followed your advice Weezard and checked into skunk pharm research. And they have a good category on decarboxylation. And fortunately the first question someone asked in the comments section was the same thing I was having trouble understanding. So you kind of indirectly answered my question this time through the advice you gave me to look into Graywolf and skunk pharm.
Very good website. Ill be able to spend a couple hours of study on there. And at least gives a good solid credible jumping off point for further study.
I went ahead and drained the alcohol solution from the plant material in hopes that it should be long enough, I am doing a second wash with a little more alcohol just to make sure I got everything. But I'm hoping a day soak would be enough. Especially since I did that little 20 minute heat/ boil last night.
So I guess we will see. Ill evap tonight and then decarb the finished oil product. I then might reconstitute some of it with some more alcohol just to make it easier to scrape up and store so it won't be sticking to everything. I can always re-evaporate if I want it back to oil I guess.
Check out my tutorial if you are interested in ethanol or isopropyl hash oil! These techniques make a very good hash oil that gets you ripped!
http://boards.cannabis.com/concentra...-no-green.html
And this entire tutorial is based on things i learned on Skunk Pharm Research! =DQuote:
Originally Posted by Marzfisch64
Thanks for the link dude, that looks pretty cool. That's interesting and pretty awsome that there is way to purify the solution with the saline. And how it sucks the unwanted stuff right out. I'm assuming this will work with just ethanol alcohol as well? Because I have much to learn before I become comfortable with using chemicals like that. I think I am going to be just studying things like oil infusions. Ethanol extractions and using lipids to extract. Another solvent I was thinking about today that is food safe that I have used before to extract mescaline from San Pedro cactus was d-limonene. But food grade d-limonene which as far as I understand it is just a citrus solvent derived from oranges. But they do sell it as food grade. It is used for cleaning because the citrus is so powerful. But you could also drink it straight up if you want and you will be fine. It worked well on the cactus so I wonder how it would work on cannabis. So many questions I have. So many experiments yet to try! I want to stick natural. I'm afraid of the chemicals. Maybe it is because of my ignorance of chemistry and pharmacology. But it would take a lot more research and proof and evidence and experimentation for me to somehow become more willing to try the chemical extractions. Also access to pharmaceutical grade solvents is a must. I like all the natural stuff though. It's the only way to go for me.
Sounds like a good method though if its possible to substitute the ISo for ethanol.
Actually, funny that you mention Limonene. this link will blow your mind and excite anyone who can understand it!
http://boards.cannabis.com/concentra...available.html