The resurection is the key!
Nice, wasscookin. I was hoping to hear others opinions (like yours), instead of the usual bashings and rantings that are bantered about when someone stands up for their faith in Christ. I am willing to listen to and discuss others beliefs as well as discuss or defend my own. I have not put down others beliefs, but I think often people are put off by the exclusive nature of Christianity. It was not me who said....
..."I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." (John 14:6)
I just believe the guy who said it! :cool:
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Originally Posted by Razer
Nice, wasscookin. I was hoping to hear others opinions (like yours), instead of the usual bashings and rantings that are bantered about when someone stands up for their faith in Christ. I am willing to listen to and discuss others beliefs as well as discuss or defend my own. I have not put down others beliefs, but I think often people are put off by the exclusive nature of Christianity. It was not me who said....
..."I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." (John 14:6)
I just believe the guy who said it! :cool:
You find elitists (we are the chosen) in all guises,I don't believe that anyone who thinks they know it all can be open to any other influence.
The idea of it's written in a "holy" scripture therefore it must be right is a bit too much to swallow,there is an arrogance about any religion that says if you don't follow then you will suffer.Carrot and stick psychology at it's most basic.
Tyrany at its worst.
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It is a mistake of simplification to dismiss all religions based on the fact that most adherents feel that there way is the only way. If you listed 10,000 different faiths, sects, religions, etc. and they were all mutually exclusive, then it does not follow logically that they must all be wrong. It is possible for one to be right, no matter how unpopular the idea may be. Christianity is supported by mountains of objective and verifiable evidences and is not a blind leap of faith. "Holy" is just a term of respect for the writings esteemed by beleivers. I did not make the claims found in Scripture, I simply believe them.
I find it way more Arrogant for a person to dismiss out of hand the claims of the bible because of their negative predisposition to religion in general. How much time did you spend in study and contemplation before you decided that God can't be who he claims to be in the Bible? What was the clincher?
I used to argue against the existence of God also, but after taking the time to examine the claims, I am intellectualy compelled to except the overwhelming proofs.
So, are you just another on railing against religion and Christian's in particular or do you have an actual point of contention? :cool:
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Furthermore, when you approach a subject with preconcieved conclusions, then you are all but bound to be wrong. A person of intelectual integrity should atleast admit their biases, especially when they have nothing to offer in debate?
Your position, although hard to pinpoint since you made no point except to reveal your bias, is clearly the usual tired rantings of those who won't face the evidence, probably due to the accountablitly that comes with it.
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Wow babe, slow down and take a breath :)
Alot of people have been left with negative feelings on church and religion. So many horrendous atrocities have been commited in the name of God and religion. I was born into a very Roman Catholic family but I can't in good conscience be part of a church that promotes homophobia and has in it's very recent passed shielded and hidden abusers in it's midst. "Suffer little children to come onto me..." Ireland is full of those little children and until this passed year the church refused to hand over records. Where's the love and humanity there?
In my mind religion and the church have very little to do with my God.
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Originally Posted by Lulu
Wow babe, slow down and take a breath :)
Alot of people have been left with negative feelings on church and religion. So many horrendous atrocities have been commited in the name of God and religion. I was born into a very Roman Catholic family but I can't in good conscience be part of a church that promotes homophobia and has in it's very recent passed shielded and hidden abusers in it's midst. "Suffer little children to come onto me..." Ireland is full of those little children and until this passed year the church refused to hand over records. Where's the love and humanity there?
In my mind religion and the church have very little to do with my God.
Lulu, as a child growing up as a Roman Catholic, I know where you're coming from. As for being a Roman Catholic growing up in Ireland, I can't imagine. My good friend Catherine is from Dublin and I've heard some horror stories about her own family and the atrocities of the church.
I couldn't live by the arcaic rules as far back as childhood. When I was 10, I refused to get on the bus to go to Catholic school on the first day of the 5th grade. That was the end for me. I also have not been to mass or confession since I was 12 or 13.
As far as I'm concerned, I can't believe in a God that doesn't love EVERYONE. Also, in my area, the Roman Catholic churches are more about how much a member puts in the collection box than anything else. And just say the name Sister Patricia Marie to anyone who went to the same school as me, and I'm sure chills will run up their spine! Last, but not least, I also do not understand why women in the Catholic church do not hold the status as the men. I could be a sister and serve God my whole life, but never lead a mass as a priest, bishop, etc.
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Originally Posted by Lulu
Wow babe, slow down and take a breath :)
Alot of people have been left with negative feelings on church and religion. So many horrendous atrocities have been commited in the name of God and religion. I was born into a very Roman Catholic family but I can't in good conscience be part of a church that promotes homophobia and has in it's very recent passed shielded and hidden abusers in it's midst. "Suffer little children to come onto me..." Ireland is full of those little children and until this passed year the church refused to hand over records. Where's the love and humanity there?
In my mind religion and the church have very little to do with my God.
well said lulu , i can agree with wot you are saying and razor , i'm not having a go , but you ARE inflicting your opinions on to people , you have faith in wotever you belive in( fair enough) but don't force it down ours necks , please . Each to there own ok . Peace . :eek:
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You people amaze me! How am I pushing anything down anyones neck. I am simply sharing my perspective. Nobody suggested that you get in line. Talk about homophobes, what about Christian-a-phobes. Give me a break. It would be one thing if you had a point to make, but I keep hearing the same emotional dribble. Atrocities are commited in and out of the church. Guess why? There are people inside and out. That is just another worn out guilt by association error. It is a classic logical fallacy, not that I want to confuse anyone with academia. If you don't believe as I do fine, but don't vilanize me or demonize the body of Christ. Many of you have such contorted views of what Chrisianity is about. I'm sure I won't be able to trump your personal stories, but atleast make a point that is of substance instead of character assinations. Have you ever heard of "knocking down straw men?" These endlessly rehashed typical retorts really don't mean anything. Atleast be honest with yourselves and admit that you are biased. Believe what you want, I am not attacking you for it. Just give me the space to express myself as well and respond to the attacks I did not invite.
Hey, LOOooooKie thar, thar go's annuder one of dem Bible thumper's....Let's git'm!!!!
HMMMmmmm, let me look into the future. More negative personal attack posts? Are the words to big too, maybe y'all decenters can get another linch party together if ya mention the big words.
Pardon me, if I am incensed by the personal nature of the responses. :cool:
I am sorry for anyone who has been traumatized by a church, but no more than when they are traumatized outside of it. I think we can all agree that abuse is wrong, wherever it may be found.
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Preconcieved conclusions??
Are you assuming I haven't looked into something before forming an opinion?, very CHRISTIAN of you.
Being an engineer I deal with logic all the time so if my logic was in some way flawed then surely I would not be able to do my job,I pride(one of the seven deadly sins) myself in being very good at what I do.I also pride myself in being able to spot a pompous ass when confronted by one.
This is precisely the sort of arrogance I was talking about,you seem to believe you know better than anyone who disagrees with you then you presume yourself to be more intelligent.
I was born and brought up as a Church of England protestant but have also spent time researching other faiths,I am not some pre-teen imbecile who has had no education.You presume far too much and propose something which belongs in the land of fables.I was at no point attacking your beliefs mearly stating my own opinion which I believe was your point in posing the question in the first place.If you don't like the answers you might get then don't ask. :rolleyes:
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