Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

it is sad that poor folks use it as birth control.
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I agree... it's fucking disgusting... I once heard a girl say "I don't use protection". When asked why not she replied "Who needs to when you can get abortions so easily?". That kind of thinking is fucking horrible, but of course, just because SOME people think like that (and they're probably the majority) it doesn't mean that abortion should be banned and the choice of having an abortion taken away from people who actually need it...

It disgusts me that Torog shows no understanding towards the women (some of them children) who are raped or are made pregnant through no fault of their own and who are unable to care for a child.. these people should, in my book, be allowed abortions... failure to provide these people with the facilities for a proper abortion could be a danger to BOTH lives, as many young pregnant women, when refused an abortion, resort to getting a 'blackmarket' abortion, or even trying to perform the abortion themselves.. this, we can all agree, is unnacceptable.. ergo, these people should be given the option of having a safe abortion in a professional environment. I value life just as much as the next guy, but I can see how abortions can often be necessary.

Torog, you and I are never going to have an abortion. We will never know how it feels to have an unwanted baby growing inside of us.. We will never know how it feels to be raped and then find out you are carrying the child of the person who raped you... So how can we decide whether these people should be allowed abortions or not?

My last point was going to somehow compare the banning of abortions to the criminalisation of Cannabis.. but i'm stoned and I forgot what it was. Peace. :)

my wife were going to have a child a year ago(she miscarried),anyway after we took the test at home we decided to go to planned parenthood to double check and this couple came in wanting to have an abortion that day!!they said they couldnt do it that fast she wanted to know where they could go to do it that day.not a care in the world.sad.

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I once heard a girl say "I don't use protection". When asked why not she replied "Who needs to when you can get abortions so easily?

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Not only is that fucking horrible, its also unbelievably stupid. Abortions are alot more trouble and are more expensive than using protection.

i think amsterdam and torog smoke a little too much crack! Republicans own this country, they make up 2/3 of congress, and now they are taking over the courts, but its still a "democrat conspiracy", am i missing something here?

conspiracy?i dont think that at all.i just think the leaders of the dems are idiots.why dont they have any power?idiots.

its gonna be awhile before they actually have a message besides "just say no to everything" and "hey look!we arent bush"

Howdy bhallg2k,

You state: " If you're so against abortions, I suggest that you never be involved in one. But you have absolutely zero right to say what anyone else does. "

I will never be involved in an abortion,because I realize that I'm accountable for all my choices and decisions,and I would never put myself or a woman,in that position.

" Why is it that Republicans, who always talk about the big, bad government intruding into people's lives, always seem to have something to say about...other people's lives? "

Because we know,that a stable and healthy society,is built upon decent and moral behaviour..not sexual promiscuity,amoral relativism and secular humanism.

" And don't say it's about protecting a life. Because that's a lie. If protecting lives was sooo important to Republicans, who have controlled every branch of the U.S. government for going on five years, would there be genocide and famine in Africa? Would we support terrorists, excuse me, "freedom fighters," in South America? Would we systematically destroy the environment almost guaranteeing that future generations aren't going to live that long? Come on. The ball's been in your court for a while now and you guys are in complete control. No one is stopping you. "

I believe,that Life begins at conception,it is about protecting innocent lives..I realize,that you want the US to be blamed for everything,but we ain't the only players,and we don't have complete control,or Roe vs Wade,would have been repealed already.

" And don't say we can't control what happens in other countries either because I remember not too long ago when we thumbed our noses at the rest of the world and invaded Iraq because they had weapons of mass...umm, I mean, they were a threat to...umm, uhh, Saddam was bad to his own people. "
I will say it..we can't control what happens in other countries..but we can dang sure try !

" It's religious zealotry, plain and simple. Republicans cannot stand the fact that not everyone subscribes to a Judeo-Christian ideology, so they come up with catchy phrases like "culture of life" to try and pit Americans against each other. Because after all, who can be against life? It's us bleeding-heart, tree-hugging, baby-killing liberals, right? "

I don't think zealotry,has anything to do with it and some folks,will never make good Christians..but we do know,what's Good and what's Evil,fighting against evil,that which comes from the Left,in the form of secular humanism and amoral relativism,is a 'Good" fight.

" Last time I checked, we're the ones who want to make sure that kids get proper sex education so hopefully they won't be put in a bad situation like in the story you posted. We're the ones who want to make sure condoms are available to cut down on unwanted pregnancies (ie, abortions) and rates of STD transmission (some of those can kill ya). Christ, we're the ones who want to help poor people (the ones who disproportionally have most of the unwanted pregnancies in America) get out of poverty so this stuff stops happening. But no; God doesn't want that, huh? "

That's the problem..stepping around parents,to teach children about sex,from a leftist's point of view(anything goes),parents have the right to choose when and how,they will discuss sex with their children,especially if they are a family of Faith. You and the Left,promote promiscuity and bad behaviour,we promote abstinence and good behaviour. As for helping poor folks,y'all want to do that,by promoting socialism and income re-distribution..not by helping them to rise above their poverty and stop taking hand-outs,which are really just bribes for votes.

" Beyond that, we're the ones against the death-damn-penalty (while you guys want to execute retarded people, literally, and kids) and people being able to buy assault rifles. I mean, honestly. Who hunts with an uzi or an M-16? Hell, who hunts with a handgun? The only time anyone ever hears of those weapons, it's when somebody gets KILLED. "

You believe in a criminal's right to victimize others,I don't..why should any murderer,git a second chance to murder ? Victims,have a right to justice too. As for assault rifles,civilians can't buy them,because they have full-auto,what yer talkin about..is just a semi-auto rifle,that happens to look like a full-auto assault rifle. I wouldn't hunt with an UZI,but I'd hunt with an M-16,set to single or semi-auto,I prefer a larger caliber round than a .223 or 9mm.

Have a good one...

Culture of life my ass.

And by the way, no one is pro-abortion as the GOP likes to spout off over and over again. It's just that some of us are pro-CHOICE.

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That's the problem..stepping around parents,to teach children about sex,from a leftist's point of view(anything goes),parents have the right to choose when and how,they will discuss sex with their children,especially if they are a family of Faith. You and the Left,promote promiscuity and bad behaviour,we promote abstinence and good behaviour. As for helping poor folks,y'all want to do that,by promoting socialism and income re-distribution..not by helping them to rise above their poverty and stop taking hand-outs,which are really just bribes for votes.

New Rule: Abstinence pledges make you horny. In a setback for the morals/values crowd, a new eight-year study just released reveals that American teenagers who take virginity pledges wind up with just as many STD's as the other kids. But that's not all. "Taking the pledge" also makes a teenage girl six times more likely to perform oral sex, and four times more likely to allow anal. Which leads me to an important question: where were these pledges when I was in high school?

So, seriously, when I was a teenager, the only kids having anal intercourse, were the ones who missed. My idea of lubrication was oiling my bike chain. If I had known I could have been getting porn-star sex the same year I took Algebra 2 - simply by joining up with the Christian right - I'd have been so down with Jesus, they would have had to pry me out of the pew.

And, let me tell you, there is a lot worse things than teenagers having sex. Namely, teenagers not having sex. Here is something you'll never hear: "That suicide bomber blew himself up because he was having too much sex. Sex, sex, sex, nonstop, all that crazy Arab ever had was sex, and look what happened." But among the puritans here of the 21st century, the less said to kids about sex, the better. Because people who talk about peepees are "potty-mouths."

And so, armed with limited knowledge and believing that regular, vaginal intercourse to be either immaculate or filthy dirty - these kids did with their pledge what everybody does with contracts. They found loopholes. Two of them, to be exact.

Is there any greater irony than the fact that the Christian right actually got their precious little adolescent daughters to say to their freshly-scrubbed boyfriends, "Please, I want to remain pure for my wedding night, so only in the ass... And then I'll blow you, I promise." Well, at least these kids are really thinking outside the box.

Howdy XTC,

So..since kids will be kids..we should just throw our hands up in surrender ?

I don't think so !

We shouldn't be encouraging kids to engage in what should be adult matters,instead,we should hold them accountable,for their choices and decisions..there would be no teen pregnancies,if just one of the partners,was being responsible. If the teens were made fully aware of all the consequences,consequences which should include punishment,then maybe so many of them,wouldn't git tangled up in a mess,that's best dealt with,when they're adults..not children.

You ask: "Which leads me to an important question: where were these pledges when I was in high school? "

Well..I'd say,that it's most likely because you went to a liberal school,being run by secular humanists. When I went to school,it was at a conservative school system and they promoted abstinence..and it was run by conservative Christians..who don't believe in the sexual exploitation of children,in order to advance tolerance for sexually deviant behaviour,like the lefty secularists do.

I think it's obvious,that you believe there should be no boundaries for children..that in fact,they should all be treated like little adults..it's that kind of thinking..that has us in the mess,that we are in today. Children..should just be allowed to be children,not forced into making adult decisions about sex,or encouraged to explore sexually,children of Faith,should not be discriminated against and ridiculed by liberal staff,nor parental authority usurped..especially by the likes of liberal,secular humanists.

Have a good one...

Yes, Lets not have our teenagers take adult decisions. Let's shelter them until they are 30 and force down their necks that God's will should be EVERYONE'S Will. I mean their fasicnation about sex is Only NATURAL.

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Originally Posted by XTC

Yes, Lets not have our teenagers take adult decisions. Let's shelter them until they are 30 and force down their necks that God's will should be EVERYONE'S Will.

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yeah! God forbid that our kids should grow up actually appreciating and understanding sex.. God forbid that they should learn to explore their sexuality!!! No!!! We'll shelter them and make sure they dont know shit about shit...

and while we're at it, lets beat them with our belts, just so they learn their lessons..

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