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I wouldn't take the chance. Regrows work best with stable genetics.Quote:
Originally Posted by tevfik
You regrow your best, strains you love...not just like.
All she has to do is pop a few more, say week 6 of your flower run...and you are so screwed. All that time and work down the crapper.
Can you say suck wind?
Well, thats the only strain I got at the moment as "best". Only strain I'm able to grow until I get some other free seeds from next cannafest :) So, this will be only one time re-veg.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldhaole
Rest are bagseeds and there is only one sativa from them looks very beautiful, I'm thinking for her too. With her, two re-veg and three bagseeds I was planning for the next run.
Or maybe I should ask, shall I give a chance to this strain or crack another bag seed instead?
I think it is!!!!!:thumbsup:
When I force a stable lady into throwing-out nanners for femming seeds...I do not collect the pollen and cull the donor. I collect the pollen, chop her back and re-veg her. She comes back without nanners.
But if it isn't a stable strain to begin with, I'd imagine she'll only be as stable as the genetics will allow. Likely a re-vegged hermie will remain a hermie. But I don't re-veg hermies, so am not all that certain. :jointsmile:
A feminized strain forced to nanners only on one branch, and potential re-veg branches around the cotyledons might be effected from light leak (this isn't good). Every other branches are perfect female (At least for now).
Should I think she has strong female hormons and they don't allow other branches to throw out nanners or I can't have an idea about how stable is the strain by this information?
All in all, situation is a little complicated with several factors. I guess without trying I can't know huh?
:jointsmile:
Did you use a GA (gibbrellic acid) spray on the one branch? If not, what method of stressing did you use to talk her into throwing-out nanners? If you did use a stressing spray or a light-poisoning technique, the chances of migration to other, yet unaffected areas, is minimal. GA is mobile though, so if you used it keep an eye on the rest of the plant including mid-bud nanners.
Once you re-veg...nanners dry and flake away, 'normal' growth returns. The pollen already released is still viable though, so keep this in mind around other vulnerable plants. (spraying the plant with water will kill the pollen) But the re-veg would be fine for clones. I have never had nanners on clones from a re-vegged, previously stressed female.
In my opinion, femming a fem is generally a bad idea. But ya gotta do what ya gotta do sometimes. My main problem with femming fems, is that the latent (hidden from normal view) ability to have a female produce nanners in emergencies...can become overt expressions. (they hermie at the slightest stress) Are you, by femming an already femmed set of genes, hard-wiring hermaphrodism into the mix?
Flu is kicking my butt...perhaps another approach as I'm not sure that covers it...
To me, it's the same theory as that of selective breeding. You check your plants as they develop and select for breeding those plants that have the charachteristics you want to encourage in the offspring. By femming a fem, I believe you might be reinforcing the plants susceptibility to triggering the hermie response.
This is a theory yet unproven. But conversely...it hasn't been disproven, either. But were you to turn around and cross a femmed fem seed with an unfemmed strain, your chances of keeping nannerability to a minimum is greater. You might get away with femming fems a couple or few times, but I have a feeling you'd pay the price more sooner than later.
What was the original question...? Geez. Head is swimming. I better just go watch tv for a while, lol.
All I did was a light leak during the dark for several times by accidentally (Maybe a little part of mine did it specially, let say it was an accident :D) Cabinet is open on one side under the exhaust fan and the branches I'm talking about were there. Almost all the nanners were from the lowest branches which are in the shade during the lights on and got light leak in dark. One of the upper branches was the host for those lollipops and its big fan leaves effected by leak as well but didn't throw nanners on its upper sites. This also makes me think on another subject. Upper part of the plant had full amount of direct light during the day and leak at night was not enough for them to act (just throwing a theory, don't pay attention. Maybe there are hidden nanners in buds and I didn't see them yet).
If you mean self pollinating, I have no idea yet. If you mean it by genetics no idea again :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty Trichome
But I already gave up on breeding for now, seems its not useful for me with all the possible pain together with it. It seems the only one nanner I've left on her is not developing fast enough to catch the pollens for this grow. Maybe still I can consider breeding on my re-veg and have a test on breeding to learn things if i can catch some pollens and store well. This is another subject for me to read and learn.
That's why I'm planning for only one re-veg in summer and after summer I can get some more free seeds from festival and grow them for change.
So, those lower branches scared me for re-vegging thought they already unstabilize. I think this was the question will they be hermie if re-veg and you made your point clearly.:thumbsup:
(I even lost the question myself :D)
not to undermind anyone that took thier time to reply, but i hold this man's knowledge so high that scrolled past the other posts looking for a responce from him sticky and a few more names that i know from reading thier threads and know they are no bullshitters and well informed and well experienced.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaGrown
with that said... rusty... oh i have read your thread before i asked this and i dont recall you saying how many times you done it and if you did i appolygize my favorite past time is getting blitz and reading your guy's post so i can see where i missed that.
as far as making her a mum, that was plan... breed(accident cross of ww and afghan) reveg-clone-reflower-repeat.
Two ways to take your question of "how many times you done it"...
I've re-vegged the same plant up to 8 times, or so. Some claim fears of strain degredation or a weakening of the genetics, growth or effect...but I have yet to encounter this problem.
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I've re-vegged perhaps a hundred plants over the years. (no, not all at the same time) Tiz about the easiest advanced technique I've ever come across. :thumbsup:
Bagseed is a great learning tool for beginners. But using an unknown, possibly unstable bagseed might not give you optimal results for growing as a medicine, or for use in advanced techniques like re-vegging and femming.
Collect the (femmed) pollen, remove any plant material and dry it out for a day or two. (away from your plants, away from fans, and don't sneeze it all over the place)
Once it dries-out a bit store in a tightly closed, water-tight container in the fridge. (round containers are watertight, square ones are airtight...I learned that selling TupperWare 30 years ago) Moisture will kill the pollen.
The longest I've stored pollen is about a month. Likely it can last longer, but I've never felt the need to push it. But if the process was done properly to make and collect the pollen, you can pollinate any female with it, and all the seeds will be female.
"Paint" the pollen onto the pistils of the plant you want seeded with a tiny artist horsehair brush or a Q-Tip with most of the fuzzy stuff removed. Use care and avoid any 'unauthorized release' of pollen. I 'paint' lower branches to preserve the integrity of the larger growing tips. (the buds)