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I think HighPopalorum might be a government spy;)

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Originally Posted by porone

I think HighPopalorum might be a government spy;)

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Maaaybe!!! However his reply doesn't really say one way or the other. He may be saying "yea,.. Right" or he may be saying "yep, that's right". I just can not tell.

Just re-reading the above line I just wrote makes me want to ask him,.. Is that you Barrack?? No? Then Bush?? No still?? Eh,.. Romer???

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Now thats funny

But wait maybe it is him:wtf: hmmmm

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Originally Posted by Vancefish

Billions being spent each decade, fewer busts, THOUSANDS (who never hurt anyone) in prison (also costing many more millions). Demand is higher then ever, The local economy is failing! BUT,... Kentucky is winning the war??:S2: (I'm pretty sure by the way the cop answered, even HE didn't believe that 60% number he gave)

Then, Portugal legalized EVERYTHING. Causing FEWER addicts, millions saved on enforcement and prisons! FAR fewer gangs and thus drug related violence! PLUS when a person gets through (lower cost) treatment. They can get decent jobs (as they aren't listed as criminals)! HOWEVER, OUR "Government" says to stop the "criminals" we MUST crack down!! Portugal is simply "lucky" to have had it turn out that way!!:wtf:

Does this tell you something about OUR "free" country??

It blatantly shows me something, that should start to become more obvious to people. That is,... Your government thinks you can't control yourself, you have NO ability to live without being told HOW to live! The U.S. Government has determined that American citizens are not as smart or self regulating as the Portuguese!! (Now THAT is FREEDOM!!:stupid:)

BUT!!,... What our government really knows (and is acting on) is something else:wtf:. Our government is fully aware of the PROFIT involved in drug criminalization from THEIR standpoint. The FDA would make very little from legalization. Where as the DEA will continue to take BILLIONS per year. The Federal prisons ALSO take in BILLIONS per year FROM the Fed. ENORMOUS amounts of those billions of dollars, are then paid to the politicians by lobbyists (owned by the banks, who own the private prisons, AND printed the un-backed "debt" money) to "crack down" on Drugs. This all adds up to TRILLIONS of Dollars spent each year to combat drugs. While making the Banks, Private prisons and Politicians richer, AND at the same time RACKING up National debt (owed to the Bank, who lobbied for the laws in the first place!!)!!:S1:

(This isn't how JUST Cannabis(or Drugs) work either, it's almost everything!!)

Eventually (just like most countries involved in the "World" banking cartels), The banks call in the Debt!! On EVERYTHING!! (This IS where we are headed). When they (the banks) decide "collapse" is inevitable!! They call in the loans! As it says in ALL loan agreements. The Bank reserves the right to call in all debt immediately (look at your loan agreements if you don't believe me).

Federal law states you can not be imprisoned for your debt.

BUT,.. They ARE lobbying to change this law as we speak!!:mad:

I know, I know. It's all just :

An evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
OR:
A combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose.
OR:
Law . an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
OR:
any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

Also known as a conspiracy (as the above, is the definition).

Only issue with this being a conspiracy "theory" is that it's all public record and law! Thus completely eliminating the word "theory" from the equation!! :beatdeadhorse:

I can only hope people start looking at the S?1T we're walking in, and stop listening to the "officials" who lie, cheat and claim we're walking on flowers.:thumbsup:

Continuing to act as though nothing has changed in the workings of the fiscal system. They claim we are now recovering by continuing to do the same things that caused the "recession" in the first place. What you and I should do is Spend, spend , spend:wtf:! Create more debt, take out loans, and DO WHAT YOUR TOLD!!

Family farms are on the "lame duck" chopping block next week with this :

S. 510, (the so-called "Food Safety Modernization Act"):(

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Originally Posted by Vancefish

Maaaybe!!! However his reply doesn't really say one way or the other. He may be saying "yea,.. Right" or he may be saying "yep, that's right". I just can not tell.

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Sarcasm. I almost never give credence to conspiracy theories. I don't believe the Fed cares one whit about marijuana policy, nor do banks. I don't believe we spend trillions of dollars a year fighting the drug war. I don't believe there is a global conspiracy to enslave us via debt. Frankly, I'm just not a very credulous person and dismiss bongsmoke prognosticators unless they are particularly articulate or well-supported. I truly believe that most of the disputes about marijuana policy are the result not of cabals and conspiracies, but of honest disagreement between basically good people.

^ yeah, I could agree that most disputes are honest differences of opinions, some people honestly believe that ending cannabis prohibition would send the wrong message to the kids or something. I don't, but some do.

But, even if there are no cabals and conspiracies (and I'm not saying there aren't but even if there aren't) there is still just the simple inertia of such massive cash flows to both sides of the "war" that this would tend to continue the status quo. :twocents:

If anyone has not read Jack Herer's Emporer has no clothes, please do, its still as relevent today as when he wrote decades ago. That is where I first began to understand the mechanism called prohibition and why it is working out so well for some people. :wtf:

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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum

Sarcasm. I almost never give credence to conspiracy theories. I don't believe the Fed cares one whit about marijuana policy, nor do banks. I don't believe we spend trillions of dollars a year fighting the drug war. I don't believe there is a global conspiracy to enslave us via debt. Frankly, I'm just not a very credulous person and dismiss bongsmoke prognosticators unless they are particularly articulate or well-supported. I truly believe that most of the disputes about marijuana policy are the result not of cabals and conspiracies, but of honest disagreement between basically good people.

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Depending on one's source, Fed and local govt. spending on the "war on drugs" is 50-100 billion dollars per year. One trillion might be the figure over time, but not annually.

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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum

Sarcasm. I almost never give credence to conspiracy theories. I don't believe the Fed cares one whit about marijuana policy, nor do banks. I don't believe we spend trillions of dollars a year fighting the drug war. I don't believe there is a global conspiracy to enslave us via debt. Frankly, I'm just not a very credulous person and dismiss bongsmoke prognosticators unless they are particularly articulate or well-supported. I truly believe that most of the disputes about marijuana policy are the result not of cabals and conspiracies, but of honest disagreement between basically good people.

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Read some quotes from ex-presidents about the banks (moneychangers). Time to wake up from your coma.

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â??The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. â??

-Thomas Jefferson

â??Mischief springs from the power which the moneyed interest derives from a paper currency which they are able to control, from the multitude of corporations with exclusive privilegesâ?¦ which are employed altogether for their benefit. â?�

-Andrew Jackson

â??The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe. Corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow. The money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed.â?�

-Abraham Lincoln

â??The government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency. Creating and issuing money is the supreme prerogative of government and is its greatest creative opportunity. Adopting these principles will save the taxpayers immense sums of interest and money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity.â?�

-Abraham Lincoln

(Lincoln later introduced the â??Greenbackâ?� which was to be used in place of money international bankers loaned the U.S. at incredible interest to finance the Civil War and subversively control the government. Soon after this move, Lincoln was assassinated, and the Greenback was mysteriously taken out of circulation.)

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They're tons more, do some research instead of being one of the sheeple and believing everything you're told. :jointsmile:

Funny thing is, often the things they tell you in the news and on the cover of newspapers are the "Soft" Conspiracy. They tell you what they want you to hear. Most people never look any further.

However further INTO the same papers, they have articles which almost always conflict with the original article on the subject. (these almost never make it onto the news). Sometimes these articles refer to other past "hidden" articles. If you put enough of these together you start to see the truth of our "World banking cartels" (Also known as THE money changer families) Rockefeller, Rothchild, Welsh..... (David Rockefeller also writes entire books on just HOW he takes over countries by gaining control of the money supply. AND just what he plans to do with us once he owns all our stuff!!)

THEN you have those families "Cronies"!! Bushs, Soetoros, Clintons, Chennys.....(this list is in the hundreds of families and thousands of individuals). These can also be called the "face men". As they are who gets blamed, when things go the way the plan said it would.

IF say Ron Paul says "audit the Federal Reserve", The News agencies(owned by the Cronies) bash Ron Paul. If Barry Soetoro claims on National news that we are in recovery and to go SPEND money. He gets praised on the news as a hero for lying out his ass.

However, whenever a President does something the money changers DO NOT want or like. The banks will retract the money supply. Causing false recession. (they can also use this as a pre-vote bargaining tool to influence the vote). See: The Secret of OZ (documentary on Youtube)

The Federal Reserve is a PRIVATELY owned BANK!! It is owned BY the money changer families!! They STOLE control of our money supply from Congress WAY back in 1912. Although this was the FOURTH attempt to control the U.S.A.'s money. This was the first time they didn't just STUFF themselves into the job. In 1912 they devised a plan to "take over slowly". (See: The Creature from Jekyll Island)

The official goal (according to David Rockefeller) was complete control of the U.S. within 100 years!!

The only reason Cannabis even gets attention BY these families, the cronies, and everyone else is,... It takes away from products THEY control and make money on. Cannabis has thus far been to difficult to control, and thus NOT profitable to them. HOWEVER within the last ten years they have said the "fight" has become to expensive. Thus they plan to "allow" us to have Cannabis again soon. The claim is they will need to "undo" much of the false info they have already fed us, before "legalization" can succeed!

You can either believe it or not. However according to those families,.. We have (at best) three years left. (David says it'll take a catalyzing event to get the final push approved. Such as a terrorist attack inside the U.S.). However in the statement he tells us they are at least ONE YEAR behind schedule. If you read his books, you'll see he has high hopes. Because every time the news DOES cover a real financial story, or exposes the plan. Things get slowed down.

JFK was shot dead on an unplanned route one week after signing an executive order ENDING (and shutting down)the Federal Reserve. The "order" is still on the books and IS law!!

Reagan threatened to enforce it,... Right up until they shot him!! After that he was a good boy and did as he was told!!

BUT according to Highpopalorum, Conspiracy (two people planning a secret) NEVER happens. Our Government is just made up of a bunch of idiots, incapable of understanding how it all works. Thus we have nothing to worry about. It's all theoretical, None of it is documented OR planned:wtf:!!

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Originally Posted by Vancefish

Funny thing is, often the things they tell you in the news and on the cover of newspapers are the "Soft" Conspiracy. They tell you what they want you to hear. Most people never look any further.

However further INTO the same papers, they have articles which almost always conflict with the original article on the subject. (these almost never make it onto the news). Sometimes these articles refer to other past "hidden" articles. If you put enough of these together you start to see the truth of our "World banking cartels" (Also known as THE money changer families) Rockefeller, Rothchild, Welsh..... (David Rockefeller also writes entire books on just HOW he takes over countries by gaining control of the money supply. AND just what he plans to do with us once he owns all our stuff!!)

THEN you have those families "Cronies"!! Bushs, Soetoros, Clintons, Chennys.....(this list is in the hundreds of families and thousands of individuals). These can also be called the "face men". As they are who gets blamed, when things go the way the plan said it would.

IF say Ron Paul says "audit the Federal Reserve", The News agencies(owned by the Cronies) bash Ron Paul. If Barry Soetoro claims on National news that we are in recovery and to go SPEND money. He gets praised on the news as a hero for lying out his ass.

However, whenever a President does something the money changers DO NOT want or like. The banks will retract the money supply. Causing false recession. (they can also use this as a pre-vote bargaining tool to influence the vote). See: The Secret of OZ (documentary on Youtube)

The Federal Reserve is a PRIVATELY owned BANK!! It is owned BY the money changer families!! They STOLE control of our money supply from Congress WAY back in 1912. Although this was the FOURTH attempt to control the U.S.A.'s money. This was the first time they didn't just STUFF themselves into the job. In 1912 they devised a plan to "take over slowly". (See: The Creature from Jekyll Island)

The official goal (according to David Rockefeller) was complete control of the U.S. within 100 years!!

The only reason Cannabis even gets attention BY these families, the cronies, and everyone else is,... It takes away from products THEY control and make money on. Cannabis has thus far been to difficult to control, and thus NOT profitable to them. HOWEVER within the last ten years they have said the "fight" has become to expensive. Thus they plan to "allow" us to have Cannabis again soon. The claim is they will need to "undo" much of the false info they have already fed us, before "legalization" can succeed!

You can either believe it or not. However according to those families,.. We have (at best) three years left. (David says it'll take a catalyzing event to get the final push approved. Such as a terrorist attack inside the U.S.). However in the statement he tells us they are at least ONE YEAR behind schedule. If you read his books, you'll see he has high hopes. Because every time the news DOES cover a real financial story, or exposes the plan. Things get slowed down.

JFK was shot dead on an unplanned route one week after signing an executive order ENDING (and shutting down)the Federal Reserve. The "order" is still on the books and IS law!!

Reagan threatened to enforce it,... Right up until they shot him!! After that he was a good boy and did as he was told!!

BUT according to Highpopalorum, Conspiracy (two people planning a secret) NEVER happens. Our Government is just made up of a bunch of idiots, incapable of understanding how it all works. Thus we have nothing to worry about. It's all theoretical, None of it is documented OR planned:wtf:!!

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Um. Wow, that's a lotta crazy. Do people not know that you're supposed to ignore all the crazy shit marijuana tells you? I thought everyone knew that. You know, you're in public and it tells you those people over there are talking about you. Or you think about your life while high, and next thing you know you're selling all your crap and moving to a commune in South America?

Seriously, I thought everyone learned that in college. Or high school maybe.