Pelosi Wants Feds To Investigate Mosque Opponents

yea....the insensitivity idea makes no sense at all. Get real homie. 3000 families lost many, many, family members to islamic fundies who thought suicide and murder were cool so they could be famous amongst the religous fundamentalist middle eastern community and tweaked out left wing groups.

They have the permits and can build where they choose....I agree. However FAR,FAR, before the plans even began for this mosque they knew the shit storm it was gonna bring and they walked very WILLINGLY right into it. So they reap what they sow.

Not to mention the giant BULLSEYE this is gonna be for any yahoo with a glock (20 million) who whats to get famous.

Glad I dont live in the NYC thats for damn sure.:pimp:

and like I said, GOOD LUCK FINDING A CONSTRUCTION CREW.

My money says the mosque AINT happening......any bets?

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Originally Posted by LegalizeTheGreen

............Besides, it's like 10 blocks away from Ground Zero anyways, i bet there are mosques within that radius already, what's one more?............

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It is not "like 10 blocks away". The property is just 2 blocks from where the Twin Towers stood. The structure that is currently there was the Burlington Coat Factory store, and was damaged beyond repair from debris during the attacks of 9/11. For this reason alone, I believe that it's wrong put up a mosque on this property. Islam has a history of building mosques on land that they've conquered, like raising a flag to proclaim victory.

The landmarks commission of NYC had the chance to stop them from destroying the current building, which is 152 years old, because it's been considered for landmark status since the 1980's. The commission unanimously voted to deny landmark status on Aug. 4, 2010. The members of this commission were all appointed by Mayor Bloomberg, who is in favor of the mosque.

If the various construction unions decide that they are not going allow their members to work on this building, it will be very, very difficult for them to build because they'll be forced to hire non-union workers and face demonstrations, daily picket lines, marching bands, bullhorns, and other actions meant to persuade the group to pick another location.

Again, I repeat... Even though it is stupid to build the mosque, if you have some complaint because it is an Islamic site, stfu or renounce the rest of our "God given rights", cause freedom of religion means the government and you guys really shoulnt say jack shit, else you are a hypocrite. Sucks, but that's the price of freedom, amiright?

Nobody is saying that the government should stop it.
Religion sticks it's nose into local things all the time, telling what can and can't be done near their churches. Well maybe it's time to give them a piece of our minds.......they've got it coming, all of them, but this is a good chance to make them sweat for a change.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

Nobody is saying that the government should stop it.
Religion sticks it's nose into local things all the time, telling what can and can't be done near their churches. Well maybe it's time to give them a piece of our minds.......they've got it coming, all of them, but this is a good chance to make them sweat for a change.

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Yeah, this is the case where we should stand up to religion and say, enough is enough already. That would send a message loud and clear to religion of all stripes... Be serious.

I love how the tea baggers and right wing cherry pick the constitution to suit their world view. LTG got it right. Either you believe in freedom or you don't. I guess we know where the right wing crowd stands.

I am neither a right winger or a tea bagger. I'm not even against their building a mosque near Ground Zero - as long as it is not on property that was hit by the terrorists on 9/11. For all I care, they can build it on the same block where the Burlington building stands.

I don't think that this is a big thing to ask, and since so many businesses in NYC went under since 9/11, there's still plenty of property available - and probably will be for some time thanks to radical Islam.

Why they are so insistent on using property that was damaged on 9/11 is what I am concerned about. But whatever the reason, I'm guessing that they're not going to get it completed.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

I am neither a right winger or a tea bagger. I'm not even against their building a mosque near Ground Zero - as long as it is not on property that was hit by the terrorists on 9/11. For all I care, they can build it on the same block where the Burlington building stands.

I don't think that this is a big thing to ask, and since so many businesses in NYC went under since 9/11, there's still plenty of property available - and probably will be for some time thanks to radical Islam.

Why they are so insistent on using property that was damaged on 9/11 is what I am concerned about. But whatever the reason, I'm guessing that they're not going to get it completed.

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Sorry, my comment about cherry picking the constitution was not directed at you but a general comment.

Concerning the Islamic cultural center in NYC, they own the site - Why exactly should they move? Because the property they are considering was hit by debris from the falling towers? If you have shopped for real estate in NYC (I have) you know that it is very expensive and finding the right space and location for building is not easy. Moving the site would be very costly. Who will cover that cost? How far should they be forced to move? Is 4 blocks acceptable? The site is not at ground zero. It is 2 blocks away. What makes 4 blocks more acceptable than 2 blocks? Further, there are numerous mosques in NYC. Do we have a problem with those too?

Why is this an issue? That answer is that this issue has been manufactured by the right. It is a way for the right to gin up public anger with ugly racial overtones. It is right in line with the neo-southern strategy they are rolling out.

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Sorry, my comment about cherry picking the constitution was not directed at you but a general comment.

Concerning the Islamic cultural center in NYC, they own the site - Why exactly should they move? Because the property they are considering was hit by debris from the falling towers? If you have shopped for real estate in NYC (I have) you know that it is very expensive and finding the right space and location for building is not easy. Moving the site would be very costly. Who will cover that cost? How far should they be forced to move? Is 4 blocks acceptable? The site is not at ground zero. It is 2 blocks away. What makes 4 blocks more acceptable than 2 blocks? Further, there are numerous mosques in NYC. Do we have a problem with those too?

Why is this an issue? That answer is that this issue has been manufactured by the right. It is a way for the right to gin up public anger with ugly racial overtones. It is right in line with the neo-southern strategy they are rolling out.

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Why does everything have to made easy for them, are they better than the rest of us? There was a famous, very old, Greek Orthodox Church, which was completety destroyed on 9/11, and that congregation still has nothing to replace it - and practically nobody even knows about that.

I don't care if they want to build their mosque next door to the Burlington building, or even closer to where the Twin Towers once stood - as long as it is not on property that was heavily hit on 9/11. That building should be preserved for future generations and posterity. It was being considered for landmark status since 1989, until the politics of this situation changed all of that.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

Why does everything have to made easy for them, are they better than the rest of us? There was a famous, very old, Greek Orthodox Church, which was completety destroyed on 9/11, and that congregation still has nothing to replace it - and practically nobody even knows about that.

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Made easy for them? I'm not sure what you are talking about. They aren't asking for anything to be made easy. They are asking for the same rights that everyone else has. The Greek Orthodox church is in a shit fight with the Port Authority over compensation and where they will rebuild. I can understand that they are pissed off about the situation but that has nothing to do with the Islamic center. And no one is suggesting that they should not be allowed to rebuild, right?

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

I don't care if they want to build their mosque next door to the Burlington building, or even closer to where the Twin Towers once stood - as long as it is not on property that was heavily hit on 9/11. That building should be preserved for future generations and posterity. It was being considered for landmark status since 1989, until the politics of this situation changed all of that.

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So this is about preservation of a historic building? Come on. Or are you saying that nothing should be built on land / buildings that were damaged in the collapse? There are plenty of other buildings that were damaged and which have now been either repaired or are being rebuilt. Or is it just that Muslims should not be allowed to build / rebuild in that area? Because it sounds like that is what you are saying.

You do not have a free society if you pick and choose how rights are applied. Rights must be universal.

the rightwingers are just drumming up more hate over this. they talk about disrespect to the families of the victims of 9/11. there is no memorial on that site because of the political bickering. if you righty idealogues were really concerned about respect build a god damn memorial to the victims. Bigs is right, the right cherry picks the constitution and the funny thing is they talk about protecting and following the constitution yet they are the ones that want to tear it up and rewrite it for their own benefit. they want to alter the 1st and the 14 amendment and now they want to deny the freedoms that this country was founded on. Really, if you think about it, they claim to be patriots when in fact, it we were back in the days of the founding fathers, they would be hung as the traitors they really are. Traitors want to tear down the country and divide it with hatred while destroying the greatest document on earth, our constitution. And, you'll never be able to get through to them because like traitors, their tunnel vision perception of the world is shaped by faux news and glenn beck.
And they get their education from the same place Sarah Palin got hers, in the backseat of a car with their legs in the air.:cool: