How many medical marijuana businesses want to get licensed--#'s released
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Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
A better question is what is the motivation of someone being anti-caregiver/pro dispensary?
Is there anyone like that?
How many medical marijuana businesses want to get licensed--#'s released
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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum
Is there anyone like that?
Yep (wasnt referring to you).
How many medical marijuana businesses want to get licensed--#'s released
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Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
A better question is what is the motivation of someone being anti-caregiver/pro dispensary?
Are you saying that someone who is pro-MMC (like an MMC owner) can't also be pro-caregiver?
Aren't we just talking about the 5 patient max? Isn't that why large scale, now illegal home grows are pissed? They are blaming MMC's for the language in the bills?!?
If we didn't have the 5 patient cap, then large scale private caregivers wouldn't be so angry. It's weird that they don't seem to understand how much revenue the state saw it was losing. They know there are many, many barkowitz' out there. This new legislation just ensures revenue. It has nothing to do with MMC's.
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Originally Posted by Zedleppelin
Yep (wasnt referring to you).
Who?
How many medical marijuana businesses want to get licensed--#'s released
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Originally Posted by cologrower420
So this anti-MMC, 'their quality is crap' mentality is based on the fact that you guys are assuming they are growing exactly six plants for every one of their patients? I guess your argument is that if you're growing that many plants then quality will suffer?
That's like saying small scale growers can't grow more than X amount of plants because quality suffers, or something.
I guess I don't understand all the anti-MMC hate around here, and I wish someone could explain it to me.
Wouldn't small scale, high quality growers (the typical anti-MMC person) have larger grows if money wasn't an issue? If small grows can grow top quality medicine, then why can't those growers scale up and increase inventory and volume? At what point does your anti-MMC-shitty-quality argument start applying to small scale growers such as the typical person reading this site? Do you understand what I'm saying? The argument that MMC's can't possibly grow quality medicine is wrong. What do you think?
SprngsCaregiver: I know you dislike me from past comments, but you seem to be adamantly anti-MMC. Do you think it's possible for an MMC to grow on a large scale and still have small grow quality? Or is it impossible to take small grow knowledge and scale it up? Don't you have experience with small and larger home grows? I am not sure and feel free to correct me. You just seem like you have experience on this subject.
The problem is a bunch of people have just bought their way in not knowing the first thing about growing marijuana. They are just planting seeds and watching them grow. They have lobbied to have the laws shifted in their favor so they can have their little monopoly. Why do you think caregivers are no longer able to sell overages to dispensaries even though that is where the best meds in the state were coming from?
Then lets take a look at the caregiver 5 patient law. They say it is to limit the amount of plants in a residential grow. I say BS if you wanted to limit the number of plants in a resedential grow you would do just that, not limit the ammount of business a caregiver can do. What if a caregiver wanted to move their business into a commercial building?
I can only answer your question about quality to the best of my knowledge... I know there is a huge difference between growing 10 plants and growing close to 100. So, I would imagine that difference would be amplified the higher your counts get.
Is it possible? Of course it's possible. The problem is most of the people who bought their way in only care about turning the money around as quickly as possible. They are what we in the business call "commercial growers".
I don't dislike you. I dislike your attitude towards caregivers and favoritism towards MMC's. It seems every comment you make you are in some way trying to criminalize/bash caregivers.
Also, I'm not anti MMC and I have never said I was. I'm anti government limiting my legal business because they got lobby $ to do so. No I dont have proof of politicians receiving lobby $ but read between the lines. Why else would there be such a drastic shift and a whole new entity (the MMC) created under 1284?
How many medical marijuana businesses want to get licensed--#'s released
I'm not anti-mmc either.
I am anti-1284 and sb109, but, I gotta live with what it is for now.
hey shouldbegrowing420 - how about popping a few seeds, or stop down and pick upa half dozen clones. You would be fine with just 1 600 watt switchable. If you keep it small, it stays cheap.
It would be cool to set up a website, just for new growers, how to get started cheap. It would be cool to see more people taking care of themselves.... and, by growing the plant..
there is enlightenment. look into the grow light.
it is needed.
How many medical marijuana businesses want to get licensed--#'s released
its all about the money brah! :mad:
How many medical marijuana businesses want to get licensed--#'s released
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Originally Posted by jackmmjpot
And here's the latest
Every Colorado dispensary and associated business had to apply for a state license by August 1 â?? which means we finally have a total number of Colorado pot shops willing navigate the stateâ??s new rules and fees. The tally: 717 dispensaries, 271 marijuana-infused product manufacturers and 1,071 grow facilities â?? in total earning the state $7.34 million in fees.
Considering thereâ??s roughly 105,000 medical marijuana patients in Colorado, that breaks down to about 150 patients for every dispensary in the state.
The numbers also shed light on the size of most Colorado dispensaries. All but 35 of the 717 dispensaries applied for a â??Type 1″ medical marijuana center license, meaning they serve 300 or fewer patients. Only fifteen applied for a Type 2 license, meaning they work with 301 to 500 patients, and twenty applied for Type 3, reserved for behemoths with 501 or more customers.
Iâ??m thrilled that Colorado is seeing revenue from cannabusiness. Money talks and even if some lawmakers donâ??t like marijuana, they have to like the easy money the dispensaries bring.
What I find notable about the story, however, is the estimated number of Colorado patients. The stats from the Colorado Medical Marijuana Registry were last updated at the end of November 2009. They indicated then that there were 30,919 Colorado patients. Has Colorado really added another 75,000 patients in the span of eight months?
It is not unprecedented to see this huge increase in patient rolls. Montana saw patient registrations double from March to September of 2009, rising from a little over 2,000 to a little under 4,000. Six months later, then number has risen to over 12,000.
The catalyst for these rapid increases in patient numbers? Dispensaries. The election of Barack Obama in late â??08, followed by the Holder Promise of â??09 to allocate federal law enforcement resources away from those obeying state medical marijuana laws, has led to explosive growth of dispensaries in Colorado, Montana, and California, plus an initiative for dispensaries in Oregon, as well as state-run dispensary operations finalized or in progress in Maine, Rhode Island, New Jersey, DC, and New Mexico.
Itâ??s a simple application of the laws of supply and demand. There is a huge demand for medical marijuana, but in most states there is far too inadequate a supply. Who wants to go to the trouble of collecting medical records (in every medmj state but California) that verify a specific condition, then spending money to see a medical marijuana clinic doctor, then spending more money to register with the state, if the result of all that hard work and money is to continue buying the same street weed youâ??re already getting?
Montana has about a million people, so 12,000 patients represents 1.2% of the population. Colorado has about 5 million, so about 2.1% of their population are cardholders. If these numbers hold true for Oregon (pop. 3.9 million) and that state passes its dispensary measure, the number of registered patients would increase from the current 36,000 to between 46,800to 81,900 within a year.
Opposing Views: Colorado Earning $7 Million Off Marijuana Dispensaries
I guess now--we'll see how many survive the licensing application approval by the state--and if 150 patients per dispensory is enough to keep doors open?
How many medical marijuana businesses want to get licensed--#'s released
I think a bunch of these noobs are going to get a huge wake up call from the Feds very soon. (new 2X penalties for edible manufacture, anyone?)
IMO, they are just waiting long enough for folks to get it all set up and running and for MAX IMPACT by taking down those who have forgotten that buying a license from the Dept of Revenue to grow an unlimited # of plants DOESN'T erase the Federal penalties for such a crime. the Fed will TIME this to coincide with the Nov election for legalization in Cali and with the GREED MODEL in place here in Colorado and follks acting as if no one cares/is watching their shennanigans, it won't be too hard for the average American to see that our "medical" program has become a drug-dealing sham in less than a year and vote any/all MMJ legislation down in their State.
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How many medical marijuana businesses want to get licensed--#'s released
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Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver
The problem is a bunch of people have just bought their way in not knowing the first thing about growing marijuana. They are just planting seeds and watching them grow. They have lobbied to have the laws shifted in their favor so they can have their little monopoly. Why do you think caregivers are no longer able to sell overages to dispensaries even though that is where the best meds in the state were coming from?
Then lets take a look at the caregiver 5 patient law. They say it is to limit the amount of plants in a residential grow. I say BS if you wanted to limit the number of plants in a resedential grow you would do just that, not limit the ammount of business a caregiver can do. What if a caregiver wanted to move their business into a commercial building?
I can only answer your question about quality to the best of my knowledge... I know there is a huge difference between growing 10 plants and growing close to 100. So, I would imagine that difference would be amplified the higher your counts get.
Is it possible? Of course it's possible. The problem is most of the people who bought their way in only care about turning the money around as quickly as possible. They are what we in the business call "commercial growers".
I don't dislike you. I dislike your attitude towards caregivers and favoritism towards MMC's. It seems every comment you make you are in some way trying to criminalize/bash caregivers.
Also, I'm not anti MMC and I have never said I was. I'm anti government limiting my legal business because they got lobby $ to do so. No I dont have proof of politicians receiving lobby $ but read between the lines. Why else would there be such a drastic shift and a whole new entity (the MMC) created under 1284?
I sincerely appreciate your response, and I think over time, you'll come to realize that we are going to agree on most fronts, except for the semantics/words we each use to define what's going on in this industry as a whole, but who cares about that stupid stuff?
I only have a 'dislike' for those who are non-compliant. I have lots of 'pothead' buddies and co-workers who would love for me to re-sell my meds to them. But fuck them, I am not about to break the law for some random asshole, friend or not. I am interested in remaining compliant moving forward.
That same negativity I will also direct at those who are breaking the law post 1284/109. Those who bitch and moan but can't show evidence that they lobbied or did anything to support their movement have no excuses, and those are the ones who I show 'dislike' for. I think this is why you have a problem with the wording of my posts. The non-compliant assholes will be treated as such moving forward, and until the for-profit growers come together, it is what it is.
I was lucky enough to recently visit a 'commercial grow' as you describe MMC's moving forward. 3 owners, small industrial space, roughly 50 patients. Perpetual grow, harvesting 10-25 plants per week, I won't get into specifics, but their product is as good or better than anything I've found in 99% of MMC's. However, I'd like to note that the bigger MMC's such as wellspring/releaf/cannamart, always have similar top 1% quality product. My point is that there are compliant home growers who paid the license fees, submitted the app with personal info etc, and are operating larger scale grows but still growing quality medicine. Maybe you haven't visited the right MMC. I have been to roughly 100 dispensaries/MMC's, and this is the first truly legitimate grow that I've seen. However, I can't fault any MMC for not showing me (as a patient) their grows. That's ridiculous.
It's silly for you to lump all MMC's together. I visited a newly opened MMC north of the tech center, and it's a total amateur shop. Those are the MMC's who you should hate, not the ones who actually carry good meds and are knowledgeable about the product from start to finish. That's the point/distinction that I feel that you are missing when I post pro-MMC things. For every good MMC, there are ten bad ones. But it seems to me that you fail to acknowledge that there are actually legitimate MMC's operating, which undermines your credibility. That's not an insult to you, I would be offended at those who want to buy in to make a buck as well. Those who move here to open MMC's/grows etc.
Regarding these MMC's lobbying for the 5 patient cap. Until you or someone else can provide proof otherwise, I will continue to blame this legislation on the fact that the state department of revenue(cook and company) realized
how much revenue they were NOT collecting, and acted accordingly. When barkowitz went on 9news and bragged about making a half million the year before, cook probably looked into it, saw the taxes the asshole wasn't paying, and called in the feds. And that was a single grow. In my opinion, if he doesn't get busted, we don't have a 5 patient cap. 1284/109 has NOTHING to do with MMC's, it has to do with the dept of revenue collecting taxes on for-profit caregivers, and nothing more. As long as you're willing to 'pay to play', you're fine. The feds will be busy busting non-compliant grows before bothering to bust compliant MMC's.
Regarding selling overages. As I understand it, patients can still sell meds to each other, right? So as far as 'selling overages', as long as you're not selling more than 2 ounces at a time you'll be fine right? I would take the position that if you have a lot more than 2 ounces of overage, then you are probably closer to a commercial grow and should be licensed etc. Do you disagree? Again, I don't have any experience with large scale grows etc, I only have experience as a patient. That's slowly changing.
How many medical marijuana businesses want to get licensed--#'s released
Sprngscrgvr: I can't edit after ten minutes, the phone rang.
edit: I don't dislike caregivers, I dislike non-compliant assholes. If that includes some home growers, fine. I'm not 'pro-MMC', I just haven't found a private caregiver who can supply the same quality top 1% as some MMC's can. It's as simple as that. I am interested in obtaining the best quality medicine that I can, and my experience has shown me that in this industry, it's hard to find good quality. But it's easy for me to get quality meds from a select few MMC's, those are the ones who I am in favor of. I'm not really into trashing bad MMC's either, so you only really hear about the ones I like.
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Originally Posted by copobo
I'm not anti-mmc either.
I am anti-1284 and sb109, but, I gotta live with what it is for now.
hey shouldbegrowing420 - how about popping a few seeds, or stop down and pick upa half dozen clones. You would be fine with just 1 600 watt switchable. If you keep it small, it stays cheap.
It would be cool to set up a website, just for new growers, how to get started cheap. It would be cool to see more people taking care of themselves.... and, by growing the plant..
there is enlightenment. look into the grow light.
it is needed.
I don't see any reason for the name calling. It's juvenile, and you post here enough that you should know better, and be above such childish behavior. You can look down your nose and judge me all you want, but please don't degrade yourself to sophomoric insults.
I'll clarify for you because you're acting like an ass. I chose my 'handle' for several reasons, and I won't get into all of them. When I was in college in 2000-2001, I sold drugs in the dorms, and my clientele included my RA. As such, he allowed me to have a pot plant. I got some mid grade 'bc beasters' that had a seed, and put it in the bathroom under the 2 floro's. It was even hydro, a little soil pot in a rubbermaid container, so the roots could grow down into the aerated water. I was browsing overgrow everyday. I had to clip and flush at semester break when the dorms got tossed, I never even tried to flower it or anything like that. I still have a fan leaf from that plant.
Since then, I haven't had the opportunity to grow again, for reasons that I probably won't discuss. Recently, my living situation changed and I moved in with a friend for a bit, and she let me get a plant. I bought two clones off craigslist, one soil and one hydro, sour diesel. The hydro one took off, so I practiced taking cuttings from the soil plant. I got about 50 from the soil plant, I have the best 12 on a 2x4tray. I'm totally compliant btw. The other plant, the hydro one, is a beast. I topped and supercropped and FIMed my way into an awesome plant, which is now in day 15 of flower under a 400w hps light in a 4x4 tent, full nute schedule. There are 6-8 main colas, and I'm considering upgrading to a 600w light because the lower growth isn't getting enough light.
So don't sit there on your pedestal and judge me like I don't know what I'm talking about. I might be new, but I'm eager to learn and this is a great place to do so. Go ahead and view me as an amateur. I'm not trying to make money, I'm trying to get the best medicine for myself as possible, and I have the feeling that's why you smoke as well. So at the end of the day, even though you'll probably never admit it, we're on the same team.
I even bought a 90watt LED ufo light, because the asshole at some hydro shop said it would 'replace' a 300w hps. Bought it, set it up, fucking laughed my ass off when I bought a 400w hps the next week. But, I could have saved the time and effort of investing in that stupid LED light if people such as yourself weren't so adversarial to people who are new to growing. It should be obvious that people entering this business are patients, not 'for-profit' types.
I don't expect a response from you, and that's okay. I'm glad you are good about posting current events.
It seems like you read my posts looking for me to catch myself in a lie or something like that. I don't have anything to hide, and I would argue that I give as much or more disclosure than anyone who posts in these colorado threads aside from MMC's. If you doubt anything I have posted, then please address it, because I am not a liar and you seem to imply as much with your dismissive remarks etc.
What experience do you have growing? Is there a reason you choose to ignore that aspect and instead attack me as a liar/amateur/whatever? I don't doubt anything you might say, but you should probably let people (me) know where you come from before you criticize me like you have done.
